Wait, so basically if something every goes badly in the future it's all Trump's fault no matter what. Bwahahahaha. You're delusional.dbackjon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2020 3:14 pmAs opposed to the Conks given in to the far right/Fascists? Because that is who is in charge in DC now, an authoritarian fascist unchecked by a spineless Senate.
Re-election of Trump will spell the end of the United States. Won't happen in the next four years, but in my lifetime, the US will not be a democracy if it exists at all.
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wonder how much income those .01% lost over the past two days?
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Still waiting....
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This post should be stickied to the top of every single thread on this board
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I can't read Trump's mind. But any reasonable person observing his behavior would conclude that all he's thinking about is keeping his image up for re-election. When CDC staff look at this they are thinking "how can we minimize the damage and contain this." When Trump looks at this he's thinking "How can I make sure this doesn't hurt my chances of getting re-elected." I can't believe you would seriously disagree with that.AZGrizFan wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:28 pmYou have absolutely zero proof of that. Total conjecture. Total TDS.JohnStOnge wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2020 6:37 pm Just saw this referenced:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/coron ... li=BBnbfcL
The State Department wanted them flown home. That is associated with Trump not wanting the situation to interfere with his re-election.
This is yet another example of why we need to get rid of this guy.
BTW, I still think that at his point this particular Coronavirus thing is probably not that big a deal. I still think influenza is a bigger threat. My opinion could change as things develop but that's what I think right now.
BUT, the CDC has the philosophy of erring on the side of public health and that's the proper approach.
Meanwhile we have a President who sees things in terms of "What does this mean in terms of me getting re-elected."
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I just saw something on TV that illustrates why Trumpism threatens the Republic. A guy said he was at CPAC and a guy said that he doesn't trust the CDC because the CDC is part of the "Deep State" that wants to hurt Trump.
Like I said: The problem isn't Trump. It's the people in this country who support somebody like Trump and buy into that kind of crap. They really do need to be eliminated as a factor in the direction of this country.
Like I said: The problem isn't Trump. It's the people in this country who support somebody like Trump and buy into that kind of crap. They really do need to be eliminated as a factor in the direction of this country.
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Whatever you say, JohnStMengele..JohnStOnge wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 6:47 pm I just saw something on TV that illustrates why Trumpism threatens the Republic. A guy said he was at CPAC and a guy said that he doesn't trust the CDC because the CDC is part of the "Deep State" that wants to hurt Trump.
Like I said: The problem isn't Trump. It's the people in this country who support somebody like Trump and buy into that kind of crap. They really do need to be eliminated as a factor in the direction of this country.
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I hate chocolate.JohnStOnge wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 6:40 pm
I can't read Trump's mind.
When Trump looks at this he's thinking "How can I make sure this doesn't hurt my chances of getting re-elected."
I just ate a very delicious brownie.
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mainejeff wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2020 9:06 am If Republicans would just embrace the future by not going after minorities (basically anyone that isn't white, straight, Christian) and would start embracing the preservation of the environment.....clean energy, air & water.......they would start seeing 60....70....80% of this country voting for them.
They just can't get past their racism. I can't for the life of me understand what they have against Bernie when they worship a Jewish socialiast every Sunday.... somebody help me out here
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Must of been some pot in the brownie.CAA Flagship wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:24 amI hate chocolate.JohnStOnge wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 6:40 pm
I can't read Trump's mind.
When Trump looks at this he's thinking "How can I make sure this doesn't hurt my chances of getting re-elected."
I just ate a very delicious brownie.
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You want to see racism? Watch a dem when they find a black man or brown man who’s a conservative. Yowza.houndawg wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:08 pmmainejeff wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2020 9:06 am If Republicans would just embrace the future by not going after minorities (basically anyone that isn't white, straight, Christian) and would start embracing the preservation of the environment.....clean energy, air & water.......they would start seeing 60....70....80% of this country voting for them.
They just can't get past their racism. I can't for the life of me understand what they have against Bernie when they worship a Jewish socialiast every Sunday.... somebody help me out here
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This is me spitballing but I think it could be argued that not just our republic but our cultural identity is threatened by the attempts by Bernie, Warren, AOC, etc. to shift the US to the left.
The American cultural identity is different than Canada, Europe and other parts of the world. We value the individual and his/her rights more than most societies and Bernie, Warren, AOC, etc. want to shift our priorities to valuing the collective more.
I’ve posted about how America’s greatness comes from the interplay and compromise between compassion (the left) and self-reliance (the right). Giving it some thought, collaboration is a better word than compassion. The interplay between collaboration and self-reliance has been an underlying theme of our identity for 400 years. The first settlers had to be self-reliant but they also had to collaborate in order to survive. This interplay continued throughout our nation’s development and was strengthened by it. The nation’s overall success despite many formidable challenges (Revolution, War of 1812, Civil War, etc.) which would have bested most developing nations contributed to and was a result of our Yin (collaboration) and Yang (self-reliance).
Another important aspect of this is that in the past our collaboration has for the most part been voluntary and community-based. It was not dictated by the government. When the government did step in, it was typically during times of crisis and there was a finite timeline before things would return to normal. Bernie, Warren, AOC, etc. are advocating for a permanent change in our cultural identity
They believe that we can become more European (collaborative and compassionate) with the simple passage of a few extensive bills (Green New Deal, Medicare for All, etc.) and they’re willing to sacrifice our self-reliance to do it. But you don’t change an identity that has been 400 years in the making in one, four or eight years. That shift will be long, divisive and at the risk of tearing the republic apart.
The communities that used to provide collaboration and compassion have broken down with technology, urbanization, etc. and that leaves a gap that should be filled. I support trying to provide a safety net (healthcare, training/education, childcare) for those in need but we should come up with a solution that works for the American people and our relatively unique cultural identity not just copy Canada or Europe.
The American cultural identity is different than Canada, Europe and other parts of the world. We value the individual and his/her rights more than most societies and Bernie, Warren, AOC, etc. want to shift our priorities to valuing the collective more.
I’ve posted about how America’s greatness comes from the interplay and compromise between compassion (the left) and self-reliance (the right). Giving it some thought, collaboration is a better word than compassion. The interplay between collaboration and self-reliance has been an underlying theme of our identity for 400 years. The first settlers had to be self-reliant but they also had to collaborate in order to survive. This interplay continued throughout our nation’s development and was strengthened by it. The nation’s overall success despite many formidable challenges (Revolution, War of 1812, Civil War, etc.) which would have bested most developing nations contributed to and was a result of our Yin (collaboration) and Yang (self-reliance).
Another important aspect of this is that in the past our collaboration has for the most part been voluntary and community-based. It was not dictated by the government. When the government did step in, it was typically during times of crisis and there was a finite timeline before things would return to normal. Bernie, Warren, AOC, etc. are advocating for a permanent change in our cultural identity
They believe that we can become more European (collaborative and compassionate) with the simple passage of a few extensive bills (Green New Deal, Medicare for All, etc.) and they’re willing to sacrifice our self-reliance to do it. But you don’t change an identity that has been 400 years in the making in one, four or eight years. That shift will be long, divisive and at the risk of tearing the republic apart.
The communities that used to provide collaboration and compassion have broken down with technology, urbanization, etc. and that leaves a gap that should be filled. I support trying to provide a safety net (healthcare, training/education, childcare) for those in need but we should come up with a solution that works for the American people and our relatively unique cultural identity not just copy Canada or Europe.
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UNI88 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:40 pm This is me spitballing but I think it could be argued that not just our republic but our cultural identity is threatened by the attempts by Bernie, Warren, AOC, etc. to shift the US to the left.
The American cultural identity is different than Canada, Europe and other parts of the world. We value the individual and his/her rights more than most societies and Bernie, Warren, AOC, etc. want to shift our priorities to valuing the collective more.
I’ve posted about how America’s greatness comes from the interplay and compromise between compassion (the left) and self-reliance (the right). Giving it some thought, collaboration is a better word than compassion. The interplay between collaboration and self-reliance has been an underlying theme of our identity for 400 years. The first settlers had to be self-reliant but they also had to collaborate in order to survive. This interplay continued throughout our nation’s development and was strengthened by it. The nation’s overall success despite many formidable challenges (Revolution, War of 1812, Civil War, etc.) which would have bested most developing nations contributed to and was a result of our Yin (collaboration) and Yang (self-reliance).
Another important aspect of this is that in the past our collaboration has for the most part been voluntary and community-based. It was not dictated by the government. When the government did step in, it was typically during times of crisis and there was a finite timeline before things would return to normal. Bernie, Warren, AOC, etc. are advocating for a permanent change in our cultural identity
They believe that we can become more European (collaborative and compassionate) with the simple passage of a few extensive bills (Green New Deal, Medicare for All, etc.) and they’re willing to sacrifice our self-reliance to do it. But you don’t change an identity that has been 400 years in the making in one, four or eight years. That shift will be long, divisive and at the risk of tearing the republic apart.
The communities that used to provide collaboration and compassion have broken down with technology, urbanization, etc. and that leaves a gap that should be filled. I support trying to provide a safety net (healthcare, training/education, childcare) for those in need but we should come up with a solution that works for the American people and our relatively unique cultural identity not just copy Canada or Europe.
Yeah we value them so much we'd rather let a psychopath pop into a gun show and get something to gun down your kids with at school than inconvenience some POS loser like Alphajizz.
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This is really good. I would point out that it's easier to be self reliant with a smaller population in less confined spaces and greater access to and need of an abundance of natural resources.UNI88 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:40 pm This is me spitballing but I think it could be argued that not just our republic but our cultural identity is threatened by the attempts by Bernie, Warren, AOC, etc. to shift the US to the left.
The American cultural identity is different than Canada, Europe and other parts of the world. We value the individual and his/her rights more than most societies and Bernie, Warren, AOC, etc. want to shift our priorities to valuing the collective more.
I’ve posted about how America’s greatness comes from the interplay and compromise between compassion (the left) and self-reliance (the right). Giving it some thought, collaboration is a better word than compassion. The interplay between collaboration and self-reliance has been an underlying theme of our identity for 400 years. The first settlers had to be self-reliant but they also had to collaborate in order to survive. This interplay continued throughout our nation’s development and was strengthened by it. The nation’s overall success despite many formidable challenges (Revolution, War of 1812, Civil War, etc.) which would have bested most developing nations contributed to and was a result of our Yin (collaboration) and Yang (self-reliance).
Another important aspect of this is that in the past our collaboration has for the most part been voluntary and community-based. It was not dictated by the government. When the government did step in, it was typically during times of crisis and there was a finite timeline before things would return to normal. Bernie, Warren, AOC, etc. are advocating for a permanent change in our cultural identity
They believe that we can become more European (collaborative and compassionate) with the simple passage of a few extensive bills (Green New Deal, Medicare for All, etc.) and they’re willing to sacrifice our self-reliance to do it. But you don’t change an identity that has been 400 years in the making in one, four or eight years. That shift will be long, divisive and at the risk of tearing the republic apart.
The communities that used to provide collaboration and compassion have broken down with technology, urbanization, etc. and that leaves a gap that should be filled. I support trying to provide a safety net (healthcare, training/education, childcare) for those in need but we should come up with a solution that works for the American people and our relatively unique cultural identity not just copy Canada or Europe.
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Nice deflection Houndy. There is truth to the entire idea so you attempt to avoid that truth by focusing on a small part?houndawg wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:13 amUNI88 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:40 pm This is me spitballing but I think it could be argued that not just our republic but our cultural identity is threatened by the attempts by Bernie, Warren, AOC, etc. to shift the US to the left.
The American cultural identity is different than Canada, Europe and other parts of the world. We value the individual and his/her rights more than most societies and Bernie, Warren, AOC, etc. want to shift our priorities to valuing the collective more.
I’ve posted about how America’s greatness comes from the interplay and compromise between compassion (the left) and self-reliance (the right). Giving it some thought, collaboration is a better word than compassion. The interplay between collaboration and self-reliance has been an underlying theme of our identity for 400 years. The first settlers had to be self-reliant but they also had to collaborate in order to survive. This interplay continued throughout our nation’s development and was strengthened by it. The nation’s overall success despite many formidable challenges (Revolution, War of 1812, Civil War, etc.) which would have bested most developing nations contributed to and was a result of our Yin (collaboration) and Yang (self-reliance).
Another important aspect of this is that in the past our collaboration has for the most part been voluntary and community-based. It was not dictated by the government. When the government did step in, it was typically during times of crisis and there was a finite timeline before things would return to normal. Bernie, Warren, AOC, etc. are advocating for a permanent change in our cultural identity
They believe that we can become more European (collaborative and compassionate) with the simple passage of a few extensive bills (Green New Deal, Medicare for All, etc.) and they’re willing to sacrifice our self-reliance to do it. But you don’t change an identity that has been 400 years in the making in one, four or eight years. That shift will be long, divisive and at the risk of tearing the republic apart.
The communities that used to provide collaboration and compassion have broken down with technology, urbanization, etc. and that leaves a gap that should be filled. I support trying to provide a safety net (healthcare, training/education, childcare) for those in need but we should come up with a solution that works for the American people and our relatively unique cultural identity not just copy Canada or Europe.
Yeah we value them so much we'd rather let a psychopath pop into a gun show and get something to gun down your kids with at school than inconvenience some POS loser like Alphajizz.
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Thanks! The concept has been percolating in my head for a little while.kalm wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:38 amThis is really good. I would point out that it's easier to be self reliant with a smaller population in less confined spaces and greater access to and need of an abundance of natural resources.UNI88 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:40 pm This is me spitballing but I think it could be argued that not just our republic but our cultural identity is threatened by the attempts by Bernie, Warren, AOC, etc. to shift the US to the left.
The American cultural identity is different than Canada, Europe and other parts of the world. We value the individual and his/her rights more than most societies and Bernie, Warren, AOC, etc. want to shift our priorities to valuing the collective more.
I’ve posted about how America’s greatness comes from the interplay and compromise between compassion (the left) and self-reliance (the right). Giving it some thought, collaboration is a better word than compassion. The interplay between collaboration and self-reliance has been an underlying theme of our identity for 400 years. The first settlers had to be self-reliant but they also had to collaborate in order to survive. This interplay continued throughout our nation’s development and was strengthened by it. The nation’s overall success despite many formidable challenges (Revolution, War of 1812, Civil War, etc.) which would have bested most developing nations contributed to and was a result of our Yin (collaboration) and Yang (self-reliance).
Another important aspect of this is that in the past our collaboration has for the most part been voluntary and community-based. It was not dictated by the government. When the government did step in, it was typically during times of crisis and there was a finite timeline before things would return to normal. Bernie, Warren, AOC, etc. are advocating for a permanent change in our cultural identity
They believe that we can become more European (collaborative and compassionate) with the simple passage of a few extensive bills (Green New Deal, Medicare for All, etc.) and they’re willing to sacrifice our self-reliance to do it. But you don’t change an identity that has been 400 years in the making in one, four or eight years. That shift will be long, divisive and at the risk of tearing the republic apart.
The communities that used to provide collaboration and compassion have broken down with technology, urbanization, etc. and that leaves a gap that should be filled. I support trying to provide a safety net (healthcare, training/education, childcare) for those in need but we should come up with a solution that works for the American people and our relatively unique cultural identity not just copy Canada or Europe.
You can definitely add population growth to the reasons why the communities that used to provide collaboration and compassion have broken down.
I would add that the opposite is true and a shift too far toward self-reliance is also bad.
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The "Green New Deal" basically amounts to about 65% of what Trump Promised in his election run...
X) Good jobs and Higher wages
X) A true healthcare system
x) Infrastructure rebuild
X) Transportation systems overhaul
the non-Trump stuff is
restating the Emissions reduction in Automotive that Trump cancelled
Restoring the clean water clean air act that Trump cancelled
zero emissions electric car infrastructure support
Farming initiative
everybody acts like the Green New Deal is some crazy Hippie sh!t... and its just not
X) Good jobs and Higher wages
X) A true healthcare system
x) Infrastructure rebuild
X) Transportation systems overhaul
the non-Trump stuff is
restating the Emissions reduction in Automotive that Trump cancelled
Restoring the clean water clean air act that Trump cancelled
zero emissions electric car infrastructure support
Farming initiative
everybody acts like the Green New Deal is some crazy Hippie sh!t... and its just not
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Their social issue platform basically sucks.mainejeff wrote: ↑Fri Feb 21, 2020 9:06 am If Republicans would just embrace the future by not going after minorities (basically anyone that isn't white, straight, Christian) and would start embracing the preservation of the environment.....clean energy, air & water.......they would start seeing 60....70....80% of this country voting for them.
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But, but, but Bernie is an extremist!!!!!!!!!!!Chizzang wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 4:39 pm The "Green New Deal" basically amounts to about 65% of what Trump Promised in his election run...
X) Good jobs and Higher wages
X) A true healthcare system
x) Infrastructure rebuild
X) Transportation systems overhaul
the non-Trump stuff is
restating the Emissions reduction in Automotive that Trump cancelled
Restoring the clean water clean air act that Trump cancelled
zero emissions electric car infrastructure support
Farming initiative
everybody acts like the Green New Deal is some crazy Hippie sh!t... and its just not
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Bernie is an extremist - no doubtkalm wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 5:01 pmBut, but, but Bernie is an extremist!!!!!!!!!!!Chizzang wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 4:39 pm The "Green New Deal" basically amounts to about 65% of what Trump Promised in his election run...
X) Good jobs and Higher wages
X) A true healthcare system
x) Infrastructure rebuild
X) Transportation systems overhaul
the non-Trump stuff is
restating the Emissions reduction in Automotive that Trump cancelled
Restoring the clean water clean air act that Trump cancelled
zero emissions electric car infrastructure support
Farming initiative
everybody acts like the Green New Deal is some crazy Hippie sh!t... and its just not
But he's just reacting to Trump being an extremist - that's the game now days
However, back on topic
The Green New Deal is nothing to be afraid of if you actually read it
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Wow. You left off all the batshit crazy stuff from the GND. Nice fake news, Chizzy.Chizzang wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 4:39 pm The "Green New Deal" basically amounts to about 65% of what Trump Promised in his election run...
X) Good jobs and Higher wages
X) A true healthcare system
x) Infrastructure rebuild
X) Transportation systems overhaul
the non-Trump stuff is
restating the Emissions reduction in Automotive that Trump cancelled
Restoring the clean water clean air act that Trump cancelled
zero emissions electric car infrastructure support
Farming initiative
everybody acts like the Green New Deal is some crazy Hippie sh!t... and its just not
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A bunch of pie-in-the-sky socialist wet-dreams with absolutely ZERO plan as how they’d actually accomplish these things or what economic impact they’d have.
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Um, take a deep breath ChicoAZGrizFan wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:05 pmWow. You left off all the batshit crazy stuff from the GND. Nice fake news, Chizzy.Chizzang wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 4:39 pm The "Green New Deal" basically amounts to about 65% of what Trump Promised in his election run...
X) Good jobs and Higher wages
X) A true healthcare system
x) Infrastructure rebuild
X) Transportation systems overhaul
the non-Trump stuff is
restating the Emissions reduction in Automotive that Trump cancelled
Restoring the clean water clean air act that Trump cancelled
zero emissions electric car infrastructure support
Farming initiative
everybody acts like the Green New Deal is some crazy Hippie sh!t... and its just not
https://assets.documentcloud.org/docume ... al-FAQ.pdf
A bunch of pie-in-the-sky socialist wet-dreams with absolutely ZERO plan as how they’d actually accomplish these things or what economic impact they’d have.
that PDF you attached is the "Committee overview"
Kinda like the New Trump Healthcare plan - remember that one..?
It's awaiting a committee
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A: The actual teachings of Jesus
A: The actual teachings of Jesus
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Re: Which threatens the republic more?
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Re: Which threatens the republic more?
Bernie isn’t “reacting” to anything. He’s the same extremist and saying the same things he’s been saying for 30 years.
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Re: Which threatens the republic more?
How about this one? Just as bad...Chizzang wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:31 pmUm, take a deep breath ChicoAZGrizFan wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:05 pm
Wow. You left off all the batshit crazy stuff from the GND. Nice fake news, Chizzy.
https://assets.documentcloud.org/docume ... al-FAQ.pdf
A bunch of pie-in-the-sky socialist wet-dreams with absolutely ZERO plan as how they’d actually accomplish these things or what economic impact they’d have.
that PDF you attached is the "Committee overview"
Kinda like the New Trump Healthcare plan - remember that one..?
It's awaiting a committee
https://cleantechnica.com/2019/02/08/he ... io-cortez/
"Ah fuck. You are right." KYJelly, 11/6/12
"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam." Barack Obama, 9/25/12
"The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam." Barack Obama, 9/25/12