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Re: Warren's Conditions for Bailouts

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AZGrizFan wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:39 am
houndawg wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:01 am

oooops.....missed the point again.. :(

Just because the government never invented anything besides red tape, (which statement is bullshit in and of itself), doesn't mean airlines or oil companies are hotbeds of innovation; whether they are or not. :coffee:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

I can assure you the list of patents and inventions coming from those two industries ALONE dwarf any list of meaningful inventions/innovation coming out of your beloved federal government (which may very well be the null set).

Banking:

Mobile banking (Deutche Bank)
Remote deposit capture (invented and patented by USAA)
ATM's (Barclay's Bank, London)

Those three alone have done more for civilization than any government. Maybe even the TOTALITY of government.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Oh the ignorance
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Re: Warren's Conditions for Bailouts

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dbackjon wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:11 am
AZGrizFan wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:39 am

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I can assure you the list of patents and inventions coming from those two industries ALONE dwarf any list of meaningful inventions/innovation coming out of your beloved federal government (which may very well be the null set).

Banking:

Mobile banking (Deutche Bank)
Remote deposit capture (invented and patented by USAA)
ATM's (Barclay's Bank, London)

Those three alone have done more for civilization than any government. Maybe even the TOTALITY of government.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Oh the ignorance
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Re: Warren's Conditions for Bailouts

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AZGrizFan wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:39 am
houndawg wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:01 am
oooops.....missed the point again.. :(

Just because the government never invented anything besides red tape, (which statement is bullshit in and of itself), doesn't mean airlines or oil companies are hotbeds of innovation; whether they are or not. :coffee:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

I can assure you the list of patents and inventions coming from those two industries ALONE dwarf any list of meaningful inventions/innovation coming out of your beloved federal government (which may very well be the null set).

Banking:

Mobile banking (Deutche Bank)
Remote deposit capture (invented and patented by USAA)
ATM's (Barclay's Bank, London)

Those three alone have done more for civilization than any government. Maybe even the TOTALITY of government.
I'm not sure about that AZ. How would Deutche Bank have invented mobile banking if DARPA hadn't spearheaded the invention of the Internet? You might be amazed at the number of things that DARPA and NASA invented or laid the foundation for.

Government funded R&D is not a bad thing but the key is balance between the public and private sectors. Alt-lefters want the government to be the driver and that leads to a socialist society where ambition and innovation are discouraged and you have to steal advances from other societies.
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Re: Warren's Conditions for Bailouts

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UNI88 wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:30 pm
AZGrizFan wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:39 am

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I can assure you the list of patents and inventions coming from those two industries ALONE dwarf any list of meaningful inventions/innovation coming out of your beloved federal government (which may very well be the null set).

Banking:

Mobile banking (Deutche Bank)
Remote deposit capture (invented and patented by USAA)
ATM's (Barclay's Bank, London)

Those three alone have done more for civilization than any government. Maybe even the TOTALITY of government.
I'm not sure about that AZ. How would Deutche Bank have invented mobile banking if DARPA hadn't spearheaded the invention of the Internet? You might be amazed at the number of things that DARPA and NASA invented or laid the foundation for.

Government funded R&D is not a bad thing but the key is balance between the public and private sectors. Alt-lefters want the government to be the driver and that leads to a socialist society where ambition and innovation are discouraged and you have to steal advances from other societies.
Someone like Z should know how much day-to-day life stems from Government Labs like DARPA, or government funded research.

And yes, very, very few in this country are calling for the Government to be the driver, but at the same time, when the Government funds these advances, it should benefit as well.
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AZGrizFan wrote:
houndawg wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:01 am oooops.....missed the point again.. :(

Just because the government never invented anything besides red tape, (which statement is bullshit in and of itself), doesn't mean airlines or oil companies are hotbeds of innovation; whether they are or not. :coffee:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

I can assure you the list of patents and inventions coming from those two industries ALONE dwarf any list of meaningful inventions/innovation coming out of your beloved federal government (which may very well be the null set).

Banking:

Mobile banking (Deutche Bank)
Remote deposit capture (invented and patented by USAA)
ATM's (Barclay's Bank, London)

Those three alone have done more for civilization than any government. Maybe even the TOTALITY of government.
You’re forgetting about 3M and the invention of the sticky note. :)


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Re: Warren's Conditions for Bailouts

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dbackjon wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:39 pm
UNI88 wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:30 pm

I'm not sure about that AZ. How would Deutche Bank have invented mobile banking if DARPA hadn't spearheaded the invention of the Internet? You might be amazed at the number of things that DARPA and NASA invented or laid the foundation for.

Government funded R&D is not a bad thing but the key is balance between the public and private sectors. Alt-lefters want the government to be the driver and that leads to a socialist society where ambition and innovation are discouraged and you have to steal advances from other societies.
Someone like Z should know how much day-to-day life stems from Government Labs like DARPA, or government funded research.

And yes, very, very few in this country are calling for the Government to be the driver, but at the same time, when the Government funds these advances, it should benefit as well.
Government doesn’t “fund” anything. YOU do. I do. MARK does. They take OUR money and benevolently distribute it. They don’t create anything. They don’t fund anything. They don’t invent anything.
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Re: Warren's Conditions for Bailouts

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dbackjon wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:39 pm
UNI88 wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:30 pm
I'm not sure about that AZ. How would Deutche Bank have invented mobile banking if DARPA hadn't spearheaded the invention of the Internet? You might be amazed at the number of things that DARPA and NASA invented or laid the foundation for.

Government funded R&D is not a bad thing but the key is balance between the public and private sectors. Alt-lefters want the government to be the driver and that leads to a socialist society where ambition and innovation are discouraged and you have to steal advances from other societies.
Someone like Z should know how much day-to-day life stems from Government Labs like DARPA, or government funded research.

And yes, very, very few in this country are calling for the Government to be the driver, but at the same time, when the Government funds these advances, it should benefit as well.
Have you read Trip's manifestos? The path he wants to follow has the government as the driver and ultimately leads to government control. Look at the innovation, advancement and quality of life in the US vs. the USSR from 1922 to 1991 to understand why I think that's a very bad idea. Socialism works on a small scale like an Israeli Kibbutz but consistently fails on a large scale. But everyone will be equal, equally miserable.

I agree that there should be public benefit from public investment and the internet is a good example of that. DARPA created it but the private sector made the world wide web what it is today and it benefits nearly everyone.
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Re: Warren's Conditions for Bailouts

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UNI88 wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:30 pm
AZGrizFan wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:39 am

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I can assure you the list of patents and inventions coming from those two industries ALONE dwarf any list of meaningful inventions/innovation coming out of your beloved federal government (which may very well be the null set).

Banking:

Mobile banking (Deutche Bank)
Remote deposit capture (invented and patented by USAA)
ATM's (Barclay's Bank, London)

Those three alone have done more for civilization than any government. Maybe even the TOTALITY of government.
I'm not sure about that AZ. How would Deutche Bank have invented mobile banking if DARPA hadn't spearheaded the invention of the Internet? You might be amazed at the number of things that DARPA and NASA invented or laid the foundation for.

Government funded R&D is not a bad thing but the key is balance between the public and private sectors. Alt-lefters want the government to be the driver and that leads to a socialist society where ambition and innovation are discouraged and you have to steal advances from other societies.
Funding something <> inventing something. And as I said before, the government does NOT fund anything. WE do.
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Re: Warren's Conditions for Bailouts

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AZGrizFan wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 3:35 pm
dbackjon wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:39 pm

Someone like Z should know how much day-to-day life stems from Government Labs like DARPA, or government funded research.

And yes, very, very few in this country are calling for the Government to be the driver, but at the same time, when the Government funds these advances, it should benefit as well.
Government doesn’t “fund” anything. YOU do. I do. MARK does. They take OUR money and benevolently distribute it. They don’t create anything. They don’t fund anything. They don’t invent anything.
Wrong!

The government created the U of I and as a result we are all now more dumb for having read this post.

(So I get you mean , I guess... :) )
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UNI88 wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 3:37 pm
dbackjon wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:39 pm

Someone like Z should know how much day-to-day life stems from Government Labs like DARPA, or government funded research.

And yes, very, very few in this country are calling for the Government to be the driver, but at the same time, when the Government funds these advances, it should benefit as well.
Have you read Trip's manifestos? The path he wants to follow has the government as the driver and ultimately leads to government control. Look at the innovation, advancement and quality of life in the US vs. the USSR from 1922 to 1991 to understand why I think that's a very bad idea. Socialism works on a small scale like an Israeli Kibbutz but consistently fails on a large scale. But everyone will be equal, equally miserable.

I agree that there should be public benefit from public investment and the internet is a good example of that. DARPA created it but the private sector made the world wide web what it is today and it benefits nearly everyone.
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kalm wrote: Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:46 am
UNI88 wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 3:37 pm

Have you read Trip's manifestos? The path he wants to follow has the government as the driver and ultimately leads to government control. Look at the innovation, advancement and quality of life in the US vs. the USSR from 1922 to 1991 to understand why I think that's a very bad idea. Socialism works on a small scale like an Israeli Kibbutz but consistently fails on a large scale. But everyone will be equal, equally miserable.

I agree that there should be public benefit from public investment and the internet is a good example of that. DARPA created it but the private sector made the world wide web what it is today and it benefits nearly everyone.
I hate your reason and logic...I really do!
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kalm wrote: Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:45 am
AZGrizFan wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 3:35 pm

Government doesn’t “fund” anything. YOU do. I do. MARK does. They take OUR money and benevolently distribute it. They don’t create anything. They don’t fund anything. They don’t invent anything.
Wrong!

The government created the U of I and as a result we are all now more dumb for having read this post.

(So I get you mean , I guess... :) )
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AZGrizFan wrote: Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:00 am
kalm wrote: Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:46 am

I hate your reason and logic...I really do!
:lol: :lol: At what point do you learn NOT to line up behind Trip or Jelly? Seriously? Screw me once, shame on you, screw me 37 times? Shame on me.... :dunce: :dunce:
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AZGrizFan wrote: Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:00 am
kalm wrote: Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:45 am

Wrong!

The government created the U of I and as a result we are all now more dumb for having read this post.

(So I get you mean , I guess... :) )
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kalm wrote: Sat Mar 21, 2020 12:05 pm
AZGrizFan wrote: Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:00 am

:lol: :lol: At what point do you learn NOT to line up behind Trip or Jelly? Seriously? Screw me once, shame on you, screw me 37 times? Shame on me.... :dunce: :dunce:
Hey dummie! I sometimes line up behind you too. Jealousy is ugly. :ohno:
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AZGrizFan wrote:
dbackjon wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:39 pm Someone like Z should know how much day-to-day life stems from Government Labs like DARPA, or government funded research.

And yes, very, very few in this country are calling for the Government to be the driver, but at the same time, when the Government funds these advances, it should benefit as well.
Government doesn’t “fund” anything. YOU do. I do. MARK does. They take OUR money and benevolently distribute it. They don’t create anything. They don’t fund anything. They don’t invent anything.
Is it benevolent?? Lol


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Ibanez wrote: Sat Mar 21, 2020 1:14 pm
AZGrizFan wrote:
Government doesn’t “fund” anything. YOU do. I do. MARK does. They take OUR money and benevolently distribute it. They don’t create anything. They don’t fund anything. They don’t invent anything.
Is it benevolent?? Lol


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dbackjon wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:26 pm All Fantastic ideas. Too long companies have lied/cheated/stole/ignored all stakeholders other than short-term shareholders, then come running for a handout when times turn bad.

96% of Airline profits have gone to stock Buy backs.

We’re not writing blank checks to giant corporations. Any taxpayer dollars that go to help big businesses during the coronavirus crisis should come with the following minimum requirements:

1. Companies must maintain their payrolls and use funds to keep people working or on payroll.

2. Companies must provide a $15 minimum wage within one year of the national emergency declaration ending.

3. Companies are permanently prohibited from engaging in share repurchases.

4. Companies are prohibited from paying out dividends or executive bonuses while they are receiving any relief and for three years thereafter.

5. Companies must set aside at least one seat – but potentially two or more, as the amount of relief increases – on the board of directors for representatives elected by workers.

6. Collective bargaining agreements should remain in place and should not be reopened or renegotiated pursuant to this relief program.


7. Corporations must obtain shareholder and board approval for all political expenditures.

8. CEOs must be required to personally certify a company is in compliance and face criminal penalties for false certifications.

Congress must set up an oversight body, modeled on the Congressional Oversight Panel and the SIGTARP program for the bank bailout, but with real funding & subpoena power. We need real accountability to make sure these conditions are met.
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GOP wants bailouts will little or no strings for businesses...
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AZGrizFan wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:39 am
houndawg wrote: Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:01 am

oooops.....missed the point again.. :(

Just because the government never invented anything besides red tape, (which statement is bullshit in and of itself), doesn't mean airlines or oil companies are hotbeds of innovation; whether they are or not. :coffee:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

I can assure you the list of patents and inventions coming from those two industries ALONE dwarf any list of meaningful inventions/innovation coming out of your beloved federal government (which may very well be the null set).

Banking:

Mobile banking (Deutche Bank)
Remote deposit capture (invented and patented by USAA)
ATM's (Barclay's Bank, London)

Those three alone have done more for civilization than any government. Maybe even the TOTALITY of government.
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GOP wants bailouts will little or no strings for businesses...
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JohnStOnge wrote: Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:45 pm
dbackjon wrote: Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:26 pm All Fantastic ideas. Too long companies have lied/cheated/stole/ignored all stakeholders other than short-term shareholders, then come running for a handout when times turn bad.

96% of Airline profits have gone to stock Buy backs.

We’re not writing blank checks to giant corporations. Any taxpayer dollars that go to help big businesses during the coronavirus crisis should come with the following minimum requirements:

1. Companies must maintain their payrolls and use funds to keep people working or on payroll.

2. Companies must provide a $15 minimum wage within one year of the national emergency declaration ending.

3. Companies are permanently prohibited from engaging in share repurchases.

4. Companies are prohibited from paying out dividends or executive bonuses while they are receiving any relief and for three years thereafter.

5. Companies must set aside at least one seat – but potentially two or more, as the amount of relief increases – on the board of directors for representatives elected by workers.

6. Collective bargaining agreements should remain in place and should not be reopened or renegotiated pursuant to this relief program.


7. Corporations must obtain shareholder and board approval for all political expenditures.

8. CEOs must be required to personally certify a company is in compliance and face criminal penalties for false certifications.

Congress must set up an oversight body, modeled on the Congressional Oversight Panel and the SIGTARP program for the bank bailout, but with real funding & subpoena power. We need real accountability to make sure these conditions are met.
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