Counter-urbanization

[mainejeff]

Stay away from Maine, assholes!

Hey, I love Maine, but I could never retire there due to the winters. Place is fabulous from May through September, but gets unbearable after that. I'm finding as I get older I don't like the cold nearly as much as a did when I was younger. I get the old person fascination with warmer climes.

We don't want you here from May to September either.

[kalm]

Stay away from Maine, assholes!

*Stay away from Maine assholes!

[Ivytalk]

Stay away from Maine, assholes!

*Stay away from Maine assholes!

Flaggy FTW!

For want of a comma....

[dbackjon]

Where are you building?

One reason I love where we live in South Scottsdale - older neighborhood with plenty of local businesses, many things in walking distance

Jon, isn't Arizona just a big ecological disaster waiting to happen? How many people live there and how many can the state sustainably support?

In what stand point? From a water standpoint? We are currently good - the conversion of farmland to housing has kept water usage at an overall 1950's level.

We do need to do more conservation of resources, and NOT build in some areas. We aren't getting the help from the State and Federal Government as far as NOT approving some mega projects in areas that don't have the water supply to maintain them long term.

We also need to be able to ban the use of water for items like growing hay for Saudi Arabia, and wasting water on endless expanses of home lawns.

[dbackjon]

Where are you building?

One reason I love where we live in South Scottsdale - older neighborhood with plenty of local businesses, many things in walking distance

Out by a town called Boerne....suburb about 25 miles north of SA city center...

Good German Hill Country town

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

Is our internet prepared for 50% of people to work from home?

Cleets?

A nationwide series of internet tubes should be the priority infrastructure project for any administration.

Should have been the priority for 20 years now.

Not the governments job thats a private sector item. Close the borders and protect the country, that a government job and THEY FUCKING FAIL BIGTIME!

[UNI88]

A nationwide series of internet tubes should be the priority infrastructure project for any administration.

Should have been the priority for 20 years now.

Not the governments job thats a private sector item. Close the borders and protect the country, that a government job and THEY FUCKING FAIL BIGTIME!

An argument can be made that internet access is a necessity and that it should be treated as a utility. This is especially true in places where one provider has a virtual monopoly and can gouge its customers.

On a personal note, if I was moving and had a choice between living in two otherwise equal towns but one had Comcast and the other had its own fiber optic network, I would choose the one with its own network. Fvck the greedy bastards at Comcast!

[dbackjon]

Not the governments job thats a private sector item. Close the borders and protect the country, that a government job and THEY FUCKING FAIL BIGTIME!

An argument can be made that internet access is a necessity and that it should be treated as a utility. This is especially true in places where one provider has a virtual monopoly and can gouge its customers.

On a personal note, if I was moving and had a choice between living in two otherwise equal towns but one had Comcast and the other had its own fiber optic network, I would choose the one with its own network. Fvck the greedy bastards at Comcast!

This pandemic is driving home the point that all Americans need fast internet access.

The House has proposed (and Trump seems to agree) that the next round of response should include billions for exactly that. Our infrastructure can't stand the WFH strain.

On the positive financial side, if more work from home, that is less traffic, so less money needs to be plowed into our socialistic road network.

[GannonFan]

On the positive financial side, if more work from home, that is less traffic, so less money needs to be plowed into our socialistic road network.

Most of the road wear and tear is from freight traffic - unless we're also developing Star Trek transporter technology or upgrading drones with the next infrastructure stimulus we're going to need to keep the roads up and running. I can tell you that even on my drive to and from work everyday in this era of less people on the road, there are still tons of trucks out there moving stuff back and forth.

[AZGrizFan]

Out by a town called Boerne....suburb about 25 miles north of SA city center...

Good German Hill Country town

[AZGrizFan]

An argument can be made that internet access is a necessity and that it should be treated as a utility. This is especially true in places where one provider has a virtual monopoly and can gouge its customers.

On a personal note, if I was moving and had a choice between living in two otherwise equal towns but one had Comcast and the other had its own fiber optic network, I would choose the one with its own network. Fvck the greedy bastards at Comcast!

This pandemic is driving home the point that all Americans need fast internet access.

The House has proposed (and Trump seems to agree) that the next round of response should include billions for exactly that. Our infrastructure can't stand the WFH strain.

On the positive financial side, if more work from home, that is less traffic, so less money needs to be plowed into our socialistic road network.

That’s why I lived where I lived in Cave Creek. I owned the road.

[dbackjon]

On the positive financial side, if more work from home, that is less traffic, so less money needs to be plowed into our socialistic road network.

Most of the road wear and tear is from freight traffic - unless we're also developing Star Trek transporter technology or upgrading drones with the next infrastructure stimulus we're going to need to keep the roads up and running. I can tell you that even on my drive to and from work everyday in this era of less people on the road, there are still tons of trucks out there moving stuff back and forth.

Said nothing about abandoning them -- but maintenance will be less, and the needs for expansion would be less. The state has plowed, or will be spending close to a Billion into expanding Phoenix freeways in the last few years, new freeways and adding lanes to existing. And most of the traffic is not truck. Even if 10% stay perm teleworking, that lessens the need to expand/build new roads.

[dbackjon]

This pandemic is driving home the point that all Americans need fast internet access.

The House has proposed (and Trump seems to agree) that the next round of response should include billions for exactly that. Our infrastructure can't stand the WFH strain.

On the positive financial side, if more work from home, that is less traffic, so less money needs to be plowed into our socialistic road network.

That’s why I lived where I lived in Cave Creek. I owned the road.

Until you hit pavement after a quarter mile, then it was socialism city!

[UNI88]

That’s why I lived where I lived in Cave Creek. I owned the road.

Until you hit pavement after a quarter mile, then it was socialism city!

If everything the government does is socialism then weren't Trump's tax cuts also socialism at work? Is it socialism when a policeman beats up a minority? Laws against oral intercourse and sodomy are socialism. This taking things to the extreme is fun!

[dbackjon]

Until you hit pavement after a quarter mile, then it was socialism city!

If everything the government does is socialism then weren't Trump's tax cuts also socialism at work? Is it socialism when a policeman beats up a minority? Laws against oral intercourse and sodomy are socialism. This taking things to the extreme is fun!

The US Road system is socialism. Not that hard to comprehend. The pooling of common resources to build/maintain. The road network became nationlized early on after the system of private turnpikes/toll ferries/bridges proved to be inadequate for the new nations commerce.

As for the rest, have you been studying analogy 101 from Z? Cause they are whacked!

[BDKJMU]

An argument can be made that internet access is a necessity and that it should be treated as a utility. This is especially true in places where one provider has a virtual monopoly and can gouge its customers.

On a personal note, if I was moving and had a choice between living in two otherwise equal towns but one had Comcast and the other had its own fiber optic network, I would choose the one with its own network. Fvck the greedy bastards at Comcast!

This pandemic is driving home the point that all Americans need fast internet access.

The House has proposed (and Trump seems to agree) that the next round of response should include billions for exactly that. Our infrastructure can't stand the WFH strain.

On the positive financial side, if more work from home, that is less traffic, so less money needs to be plowed into our socialistic road network.

*want

[GannonFan]

This pandemic is driving home the point that all Americans need fast internet access.

The House has proposed (and Trump seems to agree) that the next round of response should include billions for exactly that. Our infrastructure can't stand the WFH strain.

On the positive financial side, if more work from home, that is less traffic, so less money needs to be plowed into our socialistic road network.

*want

Just wait until you get your Netflix throttled back and then you'll see if go from a want to a need really quickly!

[UNI88]

If everything the government does is socialism then weren't Trump's tax cuts also socialism at work? Is it socialism when a policeman beats up a minority? Laws against oral intercourse and sodomy are socialism. This taking things to the extreme is fun!

The US Road system is socialism. Not that hard to comprehend. The pooling of common resources to build/maintain. The road network became nationlized early on after the system of private turnpikes/toll ferries/bridges proved to be inadequate for the new nations commerce.

As for the rest, have you been studying analogy 101 from Z? Cause they are whacked!

No it isn't. Socialism is when the government owns or controls the means of production, distribution and exchange. I support government ownership and maintenance of our infrastructure like roads (one reason why I'm a small l Libertarian). But roads are just a small but important part of the total means of production, distribution and exchange. Socialism is about the government owning or controlling everything. Public roads by themselves are not socialism. Police forces by themselves are not socialism. Calling them that is a misinformation tactic trying to make socialism look more attractive and successful to an unwitting audience.

[BDKJMU]

*want

Just wait until you get your Netflix throttled back and then you'll see if go from a want to a need really quickly!

Have never used Netflix.

[GannonFan]

The US Road system is socialism. Not that hard to comprehend. The pooling of common resources to build/maintain. The road network became nationlized early on after the system of private turnpikes/toll ferries/bridges proved to be inadequate for the new nations commerce.

As for the rest, have you been studying analogy 101 from Z? Cause they are whacked!

No it isn't. Socialism is when the government owns or controls the means of production, distribution and exchange. I support government ownership and maintenance of our infrastructure like roads (one reason why I'm a small l Libertarian). But roads are just a small but important part of the total means of production, distribution and exchange. Socialism is about the government owning or controlling everything. Public roads by themselves are not socialism. Police forces by themselves are not socialism. Calling them that is a misinformation tactic trying to make socialism look more attractive and successful to an unwitting audience.

Details.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

An argument can be made that internet access is a necessity and that it should be treated as a utility. This is especially true in places where one provider has a virtual monopoly and can gouge its customers.

On a personal note, if I was moving and had a choice between living in two otherwise equal towns but one had Comcast and the other had its own fiber optic network, I would choose the one with its own network. Fvck the greedy bastards at Comcast!

This pandemic is driving home the point that all Americans need fast internet access.

The House has proposed (and Trump seems to agree) that the next round of response should include billions for exactly that. Our infrastructure can't stand the WFH strain.

On the positive financial side, if more work from home, that is less traffic, so less money needs to be plowed into our socialistic road network.

One of the last things we "need" is internet. I know you were joking but come on.

[Chizzang]

Not the governments job thats a private sector item. Close the borders and protect the country, that a government job and THEY FUCKING FAIL BIGTIME!

An argument can be made that internet access is a necessity and that it should be treated as a utility. This is especially true in places where one provider has a virtual monopoly and can gouge its customers.

On a personal note, if I was moving and had a choice between living in two otherwise equal towns but one had Comcast and the other had its own fiber optic network, I would choose the one with its own network. Fvck the greedy bastards at Comcast!

You say "an argument can be made that internet access should be treated as a utility"
The American taxpayer bought and paid for our broadband infrastructure... as a matter of fact
by 2006 we had paid $300 billion and then another $100 billion since then

The argument that needs to be "made" is why it shouldn't be a utility owned by Americans

[CID1990]

An argument can be made that internet access is a necessity and that it should be treated as a utility. This is especially true in places where one provider has a virtual monopoly and can gouge its customers.

On a personal note, if I was moving and had a choice between living in two otherwise equal towns but one had Comcast and the other had its own fiber optic network, I would choose the one with its own network. Fvck the greedy bastards at Comcast!

You say "an argument can be made that internet access should be treated as a utility"
The American taxpayer bought and paid for our broadband infrastructure... as a matter of fact
by 2006 we had paid $300 billion and then another $100 billion since then

The argument that needs to be "made" is why it shouldn't be a utility owned by Americans

I think Comcast is being a pretty good steward of our internets


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[kalm]

You say "an argument can be made that internet access should be treated as a utility"
The American taxpayer bought and paid for our broadband infrastructure... as a matter of fact
by 2006 we had paid $300 billion and then another $100 billion since then

The argument that needs to be "made" is why it shouldn't be a utility owned by Americans

I think Comcast is being a pretty good steward of our internets


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How does our internet compare with you’re travels? (Serious question)

[HI54UNI]

You say "an argument can be made that internet access should be treated as a utility"
The American taxpayer bought and paid for our broadband infrastructure... as a matter of fact
by 2006 we had paid $300 billion and then another $100 billion since then

The argument that needs to be "made" is why it shouldn't be a utility owned by Americans

I think Comcast is being a pretty good steward of our internets


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