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[AZGrizFan]

You couldn’t be more wrong. People are people. The United States of America is an IDEA. An idea outlined and framed in the words of the Constitution. An idea that, although it’s framework has morphed somewhat and changed through the years, is still defined by said framework.

You’d like to burn that framework to the ground and start over.

I suggest you go do that someplace where they’re ripe for ideas like yours.....like Somalia...or Yemen....or Sudan....or Palestine.

Those kind of places could really use your kind of enlightenment....because there, if you disagree with the governing process, you end up face down in a ditch with a bullet in the back of your skull.

Go sow your knowledge, all the expertise you’ve gained in your 30 years on this planet, to those places most in need.

America ain’t it.

Interesting that you just listed 4 conk countries....

There’s no “conk” or “donk” there, Einstein. They’re run more like “Antifa” countries....

[Gil Dobie]

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

[Gil Dobie]

The wanted to get rid of the constitution?

That’s not the only defining factor for extremism. I don’t agree with getting rid of it either, but that doesn’t make me terrified of Trips opinions.

If you think I'm terrified, maybe I should have put this after my post

[Gil Dobie]

The wanted to get rid of the constitution?

Being randomly born in a place and being forced to agree with an idea (Constitution) is not exactly an enlightenment stance. Someone disagreeing with the Constitution doesn't mean they hate America. In fact, the Constitution is not America; the people are America. If I hate the people around me, then I fall into the trap of hating America.

The Constitution is imagined reality; humans are flesh and blood. I interact with my neighbor; I don't interact with ideas.

The Constitution on the other hand is one of the reasons we can interact with our neighbors freely, without government interference.

[UNI88]

You couldn’t be more wrong. People are people. The United States of America is an IDEA. An idea outlined and framed in the words of the Constitution. An idea that, although it’s framework has morphed somewhat and changed through the years, is still defined by said framework.

You’d like to burn that framework to the ground and start over.

I suggest you go do that someplace where they’re ripe for ideas like yours.....like Somalia...or Yemen....or Sudan....or Palestine.

Those kind of places could really use your kind of enlightenment....because there, if you disagree with the governing process, you end up face down in a ditch with a bullet in the back of your skull.

Go sow your knowledge, all the expertise you’ve gained in your 30 years on this planet, to those places most in need.

America ain’t it.

Interesting that you just listed 4 conk countries....

Replace them with Venezuela, North Korea, Cuba if you want a socialist paradise. But the anarchy in Somalia, Sudan or Yemen does not equal Conk, it is more consistent with Trip's desire to put in a framework so flimsy that it can be changed on a whim.

[BDKJMU]

If the US pasts Italy's death toll (we are about 5.5x as big population wise, remember this):

Italy’s Coronavirus Death Toll Is Far Higher Than Reported
Many are dying uncounted as nation’s stretched health-care system struggles to save the living and accurately gauge human cost

....Italy’s official death toll from the virus stands at 13,155, the most of any country in the world. But that number tells only part of the story because many people who die from the virus don’t make it to the hospital and are never tested.

In the areas worst hit by the pandemic, Italy is undercounting thousands of deaths caused by the virus, a Wall Street Journal analysis shows, indicating that the pandemic’s human toll may end up being much greater, and infections far more widespread, than official data indicate....

....“There are many more dead than are officially declared. But this is not a j’accuse. People died and they were never tested because time and resources are limited,” Eugenio Fossati, deputy mayor of Coccaglio, says of deaths caused by the virus....

...The provincial cities of Bergamo and Brescia are the two worst hot spots, and have become symbols of Italy’s suffering. In and around those two towns, the real number of deaths is probably at least double the official count of 2,060 in March for Bergamo and 1,278 for Brescia since the outbreak began in late February, according to interviews with local officials, doctors and funeral-service providers and comparisons with the numbers of deaths from past years...

....Some 85 people died in the whole of last year in Coccaglio, a town near Brescia of 8,700 residents. In March of this year alone, the town’s main church bell has sounded the death knell 56 times. Only 12 of the deaths were officially attributed to the coronavirus...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/italys-cor ... 1585767179

Basically, the WSJ study took the hard hit city of Bergamo and larger Bergamo province,
-Average March deaths 2015-2019.
-March deaths 2020.
-Confirmed Coronavirus deaths March 2020
-Estimate of excess deaths amid coronavirus.
Other provinces could have undercounts, but not nearly as bad as Bergamo. So Italy's death toll due to the Chinese Virus is probably at least 3k-4k higher...

Italy's highest recorded Chinese Virus daily death toll was 969, equivalent to about 5.3k to the US population. In fact Italy's is probably much higher.

[kalm]

Interesting that you just listed 4 conk countries....

There’s no “conk” or “donk” there, Einstein. They’re run more like “Antifa” countries....

Theocratic, low tax rates, small to zero government. Conk dream. Trip could liberate them!

[UNI88]

There’s no “conk” or “donk” there, Einstein. They’re run more like “Antifa” countries....

Theocratic, low tax rates, small to zero government. Conk dream. Trip could liberate them!

Did you lose your Donk playbook? The theocracy in those countries is based on Islam and muslims are victims of white, colonial oppression so criticizing their religious bigotry, oppression of women, etc. is toxically wrong.

Also see my post about "the anarchy in Somalia, Sudan or Yemen does not equal Conk, it is more consistent with Trip's desire to put in a framework so flimsy that it can be changed on a whim."

[Ibanez]

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/ ... 62876.html

Glad we're focused on important things like the social issue views of charity orgs.

Not to nitpick, but why set up medical tents on grass at the bottom of a hill?
That's gonna be a freaking mess in no time.

Those look like Base-X tents. They have a bottom and a floor (that's an additional purchase). THey are top notch HOWEVER getting water out them is a bitch. We had this set up in a field (this is currently still up at GDC4S in Scottsdale, AZ) and it was terribly flooded the days after a tropical storm blew through.

[mainejeff]

Seriously though....what will the RED states do without the Federal Government? Serious question. Texas would be OK....it's the Conk version of California. Utah....the Mormons can take care of themselves. The rest though......I'd like to see that.

[dbackjon]

Not to nitpick, but why set up medical tents on grass at the bottom of a hill?
That's gonna be a freaking mess in no time.

Those look like Base-X tents. They have a bottom and a floor (that's an additional purchase). THey are top notch HOWEVER getting water out them is a bitch. We had this set up in a field (this is currently still up at GDC4S in Scottsdale, AZ) and it was terribly flooded the days after a tropical storm blew through.

Is that the General Dynamics on McDowell?

[Gil Dobie]

Seriously though....what will the RED states do without the Federal Government? Serious question. Texas would be OK....it's the Conk version of California. Utah....the Mormons can take care of themselves. The rest though......I'd like to see that.

North Dakota would be fine selling Frackin oil to the US of A.

[Ibanez]

If the US pasts Italy's death toll (we are about 5.5x as big population wise, remember this):

Italy’s Coronavirus Death Toll Is Far Higher Than Reported
Many are dying uncounted as nation’s stretched health-care system struggles to save the living and accurately gauge human cost

....Italy’s official death toll from the virus stands at 13,155, the most of any country in the world. But that number tells only part of the story because many people who die from the virus don’t make it to the hospital and are never tested.

In the areas worst hit by the pandemic, Italy is undercounting thousands of deaths caused by the virus, a Wall Street Journal analysis shows, indicating that the pandemic’s human toll may end up being much greater, and infections far more widespread, than official data indicate....

....“There are many more dead than are officially declared. But this is not a j’accuse. People died and they were never tested because time and resources are limited,” Eugenio Fossati, deputy mayor of Coccaglio, says of deaths caused by the virus....

...The provincial cities of Bergamo and Brescia are the two worst hot spots, and have become symbols of Italy’s suffering. In and around those two towns, the real number of deaths is probably at least double the official count of 2,060 in March for Bergamo and 1,278 for Brescia since the outbreak began in late February, according to interviews with local officials, doctors and funeral-service providers and comparisons with the numbers of deaths from past years...

....Some 85 people died in the whole of last year in Coccaglio, a town near Brescia of 8,700 residents. In March of this year alone, the town’s main church bell has sounded the death knell 56 times. Only 12 of the deaths were officially attributed to the coronavirus...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/italys-cor ... 1585767179

Basically, the WSJ study took the hard hit city of Bergamo and larger Bergamo province,
-Average March deaths 2015-2019.
-March deaths 2020.
-Confirmed Coronavirus deaths March 2020
-Estimate of excess deaths amid coronavirus.
Other provinces could have undercounts, but not nearly as bad as Bergamo. So Italy's death toll due to the Chinese Virus is probably at least 3k-4k higher...

Italy's highest recorded Chinese Virus daily death toll was 969, equivalent to about 5.3k to the US population. In fact Italy's is probably much higher.

*passes

[kalm]

Theocratic, low tax rates, small to zero government. Conk dream. Trip could liberate them!

Did you lose your Donk playbook? The theocracy in those countries is based on Islam and muslims are victims of white, colonial oppression so criticizing their religious bigotry, oppression of women, etc. is toxically wrong.

Also see my post about "the anarchy in Somalia, Sudan or Yemen does not equal Conk, it is more consistent with Trip's desire to put in a framework so flimsy that it can be changed on a whim."

Yes. I’m quite proud of losing my donk playbook.

I didn’t start this road down comparisons to different countries, but I’ll conktinue to play along if you’d like.

Other American “extremist” ideas compared internationally:

1st amendment
2nd amendment
Healthcare related bankruptcy
For profit health insurance.

Should I go on?

[BDKJMU]

DHS guidelines advise states to let gun stores stay open amid coronavirus pandemic

An agency within the Department of Homeland Security has issued guidance telling states that they should allow gun retailers and shooting ranges to remain open during the coronavirus pandemic as a debate swirls about whether such businesses are "essential" and should be permitted to continue operating as governments urge people to stay home to avoid spreading the disease.

The guidance, which came from Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency Director Christopher Krebs on Saturday, tells states that "workers supporting the operation of firearm or ammunition product manufacturers, retailers, importers, distributors, and shooting ranges" are part of the "essential critical infrastructure workforce."..

....States including Delaware, New York and Michigan have ordered that gun retailers close for the foreseeable future while many others have exempted the gun shops from the closures.

That disparity exists because closing gun shops is a sticky constitutional issue. Guns are certainly less essential than groceries to peoples' survival, meaning closing them could help slow the spread of the coronavirus while not causing people to starve. But the Second Amendment provides strong protections for Americans' right to bear arms, so the government preventing people from acquiring guns, even temporarily, raises constitutional questions.

A California policy allowing local law enforcement to decide whether or not their gun shops may remain open during the pandemic led to a lawsuit from the National Rifle Association (NRA) to force the state to keep its gun retailers open, which was filed on Friday.

"Municipalities who target lawful gun stores for closure aren’t promoting safety—by weaponizing their politics to disarm you and your loved ones, these shameless partisans are recklessly promoting a gun-control agenda that suffocates your self-defense rights when you need them most," NRA Institute for Legislative Action Executive Director Jason Ouimet said in a statement.

The gun-rights group applauded the DHS guidance that was issued on Saturday.

"Nothing is more important than the ability to protect ourselves and our loved ones, especially during uncertain times," Amy Hunter, the NRA's director of public relations, told Fox News Monday. "President Trump made clear that he understands this fundamental fact by recommending all gun stores remain open as essential businesses. The NRA remains vigilant as anti-gun lawmakers attempt to exploit the pandemic to pursue gun control. We will take any action necessary to ensure the American people can defend their families."....

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dhs-gu ... s-pandemic

Good. Donk PA gov shut down firearms stores, and 9 days ago was forced by threat of legal action to reverse course.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states ... -transfers

Still have libtard donk govs in a handful of states that think the 2nd Amendment is 'non essential'..

[Gil Dobie]

Governors fishing opener in Minnesota Cancelled, but not the normal fishing opener.

[UNI88]

Did you lose your Donk playbook? The theocracy in those countries is based on Islam and muslims are victims of white, colonial oppression so criticizing their religious bigotry, oppression of women, etc. is toxically wrong.

Also see my post about "the anarchy in Somalia, Sudan or Yemen does not equal Conk, it is more consistent with Trip's desire to put in a framework so flimsy that it can be changed on a whim."

Yes. I’m quite proud of losing my donk playbook.

I didn’t start this road down comparisons to different countries, but I’ll conktinue to play along if you’d like.

Other American “extremist” ideas compared internationally:

1st amendment
2nd amendment
Healthcare related bankruptcy
For profit health insurance.

Should I go on?

You should go on. Please tell us more about your toxic white maleness.

[Chizzang]

I'm still NOT seeing where this entire political forum isn't Left/Right rhetoric
but go ahead - I'll keep flipping through the posts



A centrist logical discourse post is due up next

[93henfan]

Not sure if this was already covered, as the article is a couple of days old, but NYT details how China completely bothched the response to the China Virus and let it spread to the rest of the world:

After doctors in Wuhan began treating clusters of patients stricken with a mysterious pneumonia in December, the reporting was supposed to have been automatic. Instead, hospitals deferred to local health officials who, over a political aversion to sharing bad news, withheld information about cases from the national reporting system — keeping Beijing in the dark and delaying the response.

The central health authorities first learned about the outbreak not from the reporting system but after unknown whistle-blowers leaked two internal documents online.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/29/worl ... ket-newtab

[UNI88]

I'm still NOT seeing where this entire political forum isn't Left/Right rhetoric
but go ahead - I'll keep flipping through the posts



A centrist logical discourse post is due up next

Wrong again.

[93henfan]

Oh, am I supposed to actually read Chizzang's posts? My bad.

[93henfan]

By the way, does anybody have a wife that cuts hair near Delaware? All the barbershops are closed and I'm overdue.

[Baldy]

Not sure if this was already covered, as the article is a couple of days old, but NYT details how China completely bothched the response to the China Virus and let it spread to the rest of the world:

After doctors in Wuhan began treating clusters of patients stricken with a mysterious pneumonia in December, the reporting was supposed to have been automatic. Instead, hospitals deferred to local health officials who, over a political aversion to sharing bad news, withheld information about cases from the national reporting system — keeping Beijing in the dark and delaying the response.

The central health authorities first learned about the outbreak not from the reporting system but after unknown whistle-blowers leaked two internal documents online.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/29/worl ... ket-newtab

I'm surprised this article made it pass the censors at the NYT.

[Gil Dobie]

By the way, does anybody have a wife that cuts hair near Delaware? All the barbershops are closed and I'm overdue.

I'm ordering a clipper, #2 length.

[kalm]

By the way, does anybody have a wife that cuts hair near Delaware? All the barbershops are closed and I'm overdue.

Billy Mays got some grey!