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Aho Old Guy wrote: Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:00 am John Prine lyrics from "Dear Abby"

In addition to running 20 red lights in his honor say your prayers for John Prine, who died this week from The Bug.

And, slap a flag decal on your window shield ... but not too many.

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Aho Old Guy wrote: Fri Apr 10, 2020 7:56 am
ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote: Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:00 pm Love John Prine, wonder what he really died from though.
Yup ... that first foot was in the grave 50 years ago.

I was always a big fan - saw him at PB Scott's. He was engaging and a 'hoot' (that image, I think, was a head shot from the late 70's). A few years later at G-Boro's Aycock Auditorium he fell off his stool before his first song and was helped off the stage (he 'canceled' :lol: )
AZGrizFan wrote: Fri Apr 10, 2020 7:12 am He got up that morning, put on his slippers, walked out to his kitchen and died.
Hand me down my walking cane
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now how the hell can a person go to work in the morning, come home in the evening, and have nothing to say?

Saw him about ten years agou at the Paducah Opera House and he still had it. Best part is we were hanging around outside afterwards when he was leaving. He pulls out in a non-descript sedan and gives us a big smile and wave as he drove by and as we're watching him drive past we see the end of a fishing pole sticking out the rear window. Nobody captures the way Americans use English like John Prine did.
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And on top of that he wrote "Hello in There" when he was fucking twenty-three years old.
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andy7171 wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:18 pm I’ve never heard of him.


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Same here. And even after reading about him, I still don't know who he is. Certainly can appreciate that others were influenced by him.
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Nah but he did post on AGS that he got married.
I replied that his wife must like to travel and needed someone to carry her luggage ;)
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Garbage burgers ... and stuffed 'taters! PB's was where Twig's is. My understanding is they hooked a truck to it, and moved it 50- 60-feet across the parking lot :rofl: Built a shed roof on one side (next to the 'By-Pass'), and then built the big wing back toward Twigs -- before they tore the thing down.

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Doc did not approve of drinkin' but they set him up :D That's Merle to the left. Merle got his drink on at the Grubstake, too -- that's where The Woodlands BBQ is now. I can't remember much from back then :lol: ... and I played softball for The Woodlands until 2000 or so.

I hope things are well with the 'S' Family -- are they still around? The PB's Reunion might be on life support. Last year might have been the finale. Bart sold Canyon's, and I think Randy Kelly got the Cancer (he booked the Acts).

I ... dug the big Holley's sign out of the trash when David tossed it 25+ years ago :thumb: I passed it on to a woman in HP in hopes she would look after it for me.

houndawg wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:51 am Saw him about ten years agou at the Paducah Opera House and he still had it. Best part is we were hanging around outside afterwards when he was leaving. He pulls out in a non-descript sedan and gives us a big smile and wave as he drove by and as we're watching him drive past we see the end of a fishing pole sticking out the rear window. Nobody captures the way Americans use English like John Prine did.
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John Prine was a headliner at MerleFest this year I was going Thursday, and then Sunday to see Prine. We will get 'em next year!

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Aho Old Guy wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:28 am

I'm a fugitive from justice in Buncombe County ... but hit Bele Chere many times :geek:

I was born in HP but 'summered' in B-Rock before moving to Watagua. Bar-tended at Holley's (for David Cox!) at Appalachian, drank at Clyde's...the Grubstake...the Library Club :lol:, and upon advice of my attorney choose not to answer any other questions :shock:

Not sure if you remember, but Clyde's was the original PB Scott's :thumb:

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I didn't know Clyde's was PB's, I started at App in '81. I ate many a garbage burger there though. Holley's was a regular stop as well and I fuzzily remember the Library Club. Maybe just from visiting prior to attending. No recollection of the Grubstake. If you got into Boone regularly, I worked at Sollecito's for about a decade while sometimes going to school. I may try and hit the PB's reunion this year. I think they have the Spongetones and Brice Street lined up. Fits well with both my Greensboro and Boone days.
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Aho Old Guy wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 7:34 pm :notworthy:
Garbage burgers ... and stuffed 'taters! PB's was where Twig's is. My understanding is they hooked a truck to it, and moved it 50- 60-feet across the parking lot :rofl: Built a shed roof on one side (next to the 'By-Pass'), and then built the big wing back toward Twigs -- before they tore the thing down.

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Doc did not approve of drinkin' but they set him up :D That's Merle to the left. Merle got his drink on at the Grubstake, too -- that's where The Woodlands BBQ is now. I can't remember much from back then :lol: ... and I played softball for The Woodlands until 2000 or so.

I hope things are well with the 'S' Family -- are they still around? The PB's Reunion might be on life support. Last year might have been the finale. Bart sold Canyon's, and I think Randy Kelly got the Cancer (he booked the Acts).

I ... dug the big Holley's sign out of the trash when David tossed it 25+ years ago :thumb: I passed it on to a woman in HP in hopes she would look after it for me.


Okay, Woodlands was there when I first dropped in, so that is answered. Donna Sollecito is still in Boone. I think she's the last of the family there. Mike and Mary have both passed. The PB's reunion may still happen. If it does I'll let you know. I haven't gone in past years, and may not this year either. Seems like a good time though.
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GannonFan wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:15 am
andy7171 wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:18 pm I’ve never heard of him.


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Same here. And even after reading about him, I still don't know who he is. Certainly can appreciate that others were influenced by him.
He's up there with Bob Dylan, Paul Simon, Leonard Cohen, John Hartford....the real deal
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houndawg wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:04 am
GannonFan wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:15 am

Same here. And even after reading about him, I still don't know who he is. Certainly can appreciate that others were influenced by him.
He's up there with Bob Dylan, Paul Simon, Leonard Cohen, John Hartford....the real deal
Yeah, I fancy myself as fairly well rounded as far as music goes thanks to older siblings and a variety of friends. Although I definitely knew his name, I couldn't have told you a single song of his until his death. He's talented, and I don't doubt he has plenty of genuine fans, but to me he's more like an AFI list of movies. You're a neophyte if you don't pretend to have loved him.
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89Hen wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:32 am
houndawg wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:04 am

He's up there with Bob Dylan, Paul Simon, Leonard Cohen, John Hartford....the real deal
Yeah, I fancy myself as fairly well rounded as far as music goes thanks to older siblings and a variety of friends. Although I definitely knew his name, I couldn't have told you a single song of his until his death. He's talented, and I don't doubt he has plenty of genuine fans, but to me he's more like an AFI list of movies. You're a neophyte if you don't pretend to have loved him.
And of those guys houndy named I knew all but John Hartford. I will be the first to say that my musical knowledge is not the deepest, so I'm never terribly surprised, especially in the folk or other subset area, if I don't know someone.
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GannonFan wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:22 pm
89Hen wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:32 am
Yeah, I fancy myself as fairly well rounded as far as music goes thanks to older siblings and a variety of friends. Although I definitely knew his name, I couldn't have told you a single song of his until his death. He's talented, and I don't doubt he has plenty of genuine fans, but to me he's more like an AFI list of movies. You're a neophyte if you don't pretend to have loved him.
And of those guys houndy named I knew all but John Hartford. I will be the first to say that my musical knowledge is not the deepest, so I'm never terribly surprised, especially in the folk or other subset area, if I don't know someone.
It might be easier to understand Prine's impact if you knew some of the artists who covered his songs: Bonnie Raitt, John Denver, Tanya Tucker, 10,000 Maniacs, Bette Midler, Joan Baez, Kris Kristofferson, George Strait, John Mellencamp, Dwight Yoakam, Everly Brothers, John Fogerty, Randy Travis, Manfred Mann’s Earth Band, Paul Anka, Sissy Spacek, Paul Westerberg (The Replacements) and Johnny Cash.

And for the record, while I would have recognized his name before his death, I wouldn't have been able to name one song he'd written with any certainty.
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UNI88 wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:39 pm
GannonFan wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:22 pm

And of those guys houndy named I knew all but John Hartford. I will be the first to say that my musical knowledge is not the deepest, so I'm never terribly surprised, especially in the folk or other subset area, if I don't know someone.
It might be easier to understand Prine's impact if you knew some of the artists who covered his songs: Bonnie Raitt, John Denver, Tanya Tucker, 10,000 Maniacs, Bette Midler, Joan Baez, Kris Kristofferson, George Strait, John Mellencamp, Dwight Yoakam, Everly Brothers, John Fogerty, Randy Travis, Manfred Mann’s Earth Band, Paul Anka, Sissy Spacek, Paul Westerberg (The Replacements) and Johnny Cash.

And for the record, while I would have recognized his name before his death, I wouldn't have been able to name one song he'd written with any certainty.
I would think that many people would recognize "Angel From Montgomery" because of the Bonnie Raitt cover of the song. Maybe not though, everyone has different tastes in music. I got exposed through older siblings and friends, and then moving to an old hippie town for college. I think 88 has a good point concerning artists who covered his songs. I was thinking along the lines of artists he has influenced. Those above of course, but also current artists like Jason Isbell, Sturgill Simpson, etc. Even Steve Earle to an extent, although Townes Van Zandt and Guy Clark apparently mentored him more.
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OL FU wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:49 pm ;) I look around everyone once in a while. and now that I can't go anywhere, I may look around more often. :)

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GannonFan wrote: Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:15 am
andy7171 wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:18 pm I’ve never heard of him.


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UNI88 wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:39 pm
GannonFan wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:22 pm

And of those guys houndy named I knew all but John Hartford. I will be the first to say that my musical knowledge is not the deepest, so I'm never terribly surprised, especially in the folk or other subset area, if I don't know someone.
It might be easier to understand Prine's impact if you knew some of the artists who covered his songs: Bonnie Raitt, John Denver, Tanya Tucker, 10,000 Maniacs, Bette Midler, Joan Baez, Kris Kristofferson, George Strait, John Mellencamp, Dwight Yoakam, Everly Brothers, John Fogerty, Randy Travis, Manfred Mann’s Earth Band, Paul Anka, Sissy Spacek, Paul Westerberg (The Replacements) and Johnny Cash.

And for the record, while I would have recognized his name before his death, I wouldn't have been able to name one song he'd written with any certainty.
And you've probably heard some that you didn't know were his. I learned of him by chance and several decades later moved near where he grew up and his name is widely known so I'm more up on him than other songwriters that you're supposed to know about. Like Townes Van Zandt - i listened to tons of Jerry Jeff Walker and Bobby Bare and Guy Clark before I ever heard his name, and when I did it seemed like I always preferred somebody else's cover of his somgs like how some people are with Dylan.
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GannonFan wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:22 pm
89Hen wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:32 am

Yeah, I fancy myself as fairly well rounded as far as music goes thanks to older siblings and a variety of friends. Although I definitely knew his name, I couldn't have told you a single song of his until his death. He's talented, and I don't doubt he has plenty of genuine fans, but to me he's more like an AFI list of movies. You're a neophyte if you don't pretend to have loved him.
And of those guys houndy named I knew all but John Hartford. I will be the first to say that my musical knowledge is not the deepest, so I'm never terribly surprised, especially in the folk or other subset area, if I don't know someone.
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UNI88 wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:39 pm
GannonFan wrote: Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:22 pm

And of those guys houndy named I knew all but John Hartford. I will be the first to say that my musical knowledge is not the deepest, so I'm never terribly surprised, especially in the folk or other subset area, if I don't know someone.
It might be easier to understand Prine's impact if you knew some of the artists who covered his songs: Bonnie Raitt, John Denver, Tanya Tucker, 10,000 Maniacs, Bette Midler, Joan Baez, Kris Kristofferson, George Strait, John Mellencamp, Dwight Yoakam, Everly Brothers, John Fogerty, Randy Travis, Manfred Mann’s Earth Band, Paul Anka, Sissy Spacek, Paul Westerberg (The Replacements) and Johnny Cash.

And for the record, while I would have recognized his name before his death, I wouldn't have been able to name one song he'd written with any certainty.
The one that I never knew and surprised me when I found out was David Allen Coe's You Never Even Called Me By My Name.

I always knew Steve Goodman wrote it. Coe even mentions that while singing the song. Just found out John Prine was a co-composer.
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Yeah, he wasn't credited with it on David Allen Coe's or Steve Goodman's recordings.
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Skjellyfetti wrote: Fri Apr 17, 2020 2:00 pm Yeah, he wasn't credited with it on David Allen Coe's or Steve Goodman's recordings.
I wouldn’t put my name on it ’cause I thought it sucked. Then it went to number one! That’s how I found out what a number one song is.
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That's what I thought. But from late reading apparently he was involved with it. Whether he did it or not, he had plenty of good ones.

Ok so I just realized that Prine said the quote :D
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AshevilleApp wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:37 am Okay, Woodlands was there when I first dropped in, so that is answered. Donna Sollecito is still in Boone. I think she's the last of the family there. Mike and Mary have both passed. The PB's reunion may still happen. If it does I'll let you know. I haven't gone in past years, and may not this year either. Seems like a good time though.
Good to see the Solicito family still around -- good luck with the Reunion. I don't do FB so I don't keep up with the latest going-ons.

I did the Taste Buds, was a commander in the sacking of PB's by the Boone Liberation Organization, and a disciple of The Swami (and leader of the internal chants at the Party Out of Bounds). I actually enjoyed the whole-wheat deep-dish, and secretly lusted for Emma (and Betty Jo) :lol:
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Licensed Mississippi riverboat Captain, wrote Glenn Campbell's biggest hit "Gentle on my Mind". Godfather of Newgrass, amazing live show where he mics a sheet of plywood and tap dances an accompanying part to his fiddle playing.
Hartford was the tip of the spear in 'Newgrass' -- had a Stomping Board that tore down the G-Boro Coliseum :shock: I'm thankful that Stomping Board didn't take down the PB's dome - it was quite a thumper. He played solo a lot -- a crowd pleaser, banjo & fiddler player, and had what I think was a wireless pick-up as he danced through the audience with his fiddle.

That was cutting-edge tech back then :D
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