Coronavirus COVID-19

[BDKJMU]

Coming from someone who's easily offended, that's rich..

Maybe I'm easily offended or maybe I find a special joy in pointing out hypocrisy and turning the tables on posters who focus on nitpicky details but miss the big picture.

And for some people those pesky facts are 'nitpicky details'..

[UNI88]

My doctor is capable of doing televisits but he is operating below capacity. If his office doesn't have enough patients can he continue to employ the same number of nurses and technicians?

"They are tactics that are giving more people a chance to survive" COVID-19 but they are also costing lives. While you are ok with slowly opening things up you seem to refuse to acknowledge the flip side of the tactics - the lives lost and damaged. That is happening and will continue to happen. Every day that we focus primarily on saving lives from COVID-19 other lives will be lost and the snowball is getting bigger and rolling down the hill faster every day that the restrictions are kept in place.

Finding the right balance is critical to saving the most lives possible.

Isn't that what cautiously opening up the country does?

Not if the objective of your caution is to save lives from COVID-19 and doesn't give appropriate consideration to the lives that will be lost or damaged because of the tactics meant to prevent its spread.

[Gil Dobie]

Isn't that what cautiously opening up the country does?

Not if the objective of your caution is to save lives from COVID-19 and doesn't give appropriate consideration to the lives that will be lost or damaged because of the tactics meant to prevent its spread.

So you have the correct time frame and process nailed down?

[UNI88]

Maybe I'm easily offended or maybe I find a special joy in pointing out hypocrisy and turning the tables on posters who focus on nitpicky details but miss the big picture.

And for some people those pesky facts are 'nitpicky details'..

I would say it's a nitpicky detail to disregard a post essentially calling Trump a sexual predator because he hasn't been accused of sexual assault 20+ times as claimed. The big picture is that Trump has been accused of sexual misconduct more than 20 times and that a handful of those probably qualify as assault. The details were wrong but the big picture (calling him a sexual predator) was not offbase.

I would say that it is extremely hypocritical for anyone that has defended or deflected from Trump's history of sexual misconduct allegations to be critical of Biden and the allegations against him.

[UNI88]

Not if the objective of your caution is to save lives from COVID-19 and doesn't give appropriate consideration to the lives that will be lost or damaged because of the tactics meant to prevent its spread.

So you have the correct time frame and process nailed down?

No I don't but I'm not a policy or decision maker on this so I don't need to. I am tired of all the heat seeking panic missiles who act like lives that might be lost to COVID-19 are the lives that matter.

[kalm]

And here's a doozy of an article from the BBC. Thankfully it was published in the UK - if a similar article was published here it would quickly be sorted in the category of far-right news and be dismissed as pro-Trump propaganda. Since we only view our news as partisan for whichever side of the political aisle we position ourselves on, it's not surprising that anything around the pandemic is viewed that way too.

But for the article, it does basically talk about what we've talked about here - generally, for the under 65 group, we have way overreacted to this virus. The danger is clearly there for the over-65 group, and that's real and important, but that we're hitting this thing with the sledgehammer when we probably should've been far more judicial about how to attack this.

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52543692

I don't want this to slip through the cracks because of other discussions.

Where's that heat seeking, panic missile, Kalm with an opinion?

I enjoyed the article. Reducing testing and track and trace to compromised populations has promise and probably and upcoming step.

[kalm]

He took his ball...... And went home

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[UNI88]

I don't want this to slip through the cracks because of other discussions.

Where's that heat seeking, panic missile, Kalm with an opinion?

I enjoyed the article. Reducing testing and track and trace to compromised populations has promise and probably and upcoming step.

I borrowed the "heat seeking, panic missile" from your homeslice, Cowturd.

[Gil Dobie]

So you have the correct time frame and process nailed down?

No I don't but I'm not a policy or decision maker on this so I don't need to. I am tired of all the heat seeking panic missiles who act like lives that might be lost to COVID-19 are the lives that matter.

You say I'm too cautious, but don't give any idea of what your limits are. Are Trumps guidelines too slow and too cautious?

[BDKJMU]

With each day that Drumpf stays in the Covid spotlight, his re-election chances drop. The DNC folks are doing cartwheels....while keeping Grampa Joe locked in a DE basement.

Trump didn't dispute the death #s.

They can't keep Sleepy Uncle Joe locked away forever. If the DNC doesn't come up with a replacement, Biden is going to be a disaster this fall on the campaign trail. Trump is going to destroy him this fall in the debates, and everyone knows it.

[BDKJMU]

while keeping Grampa Joe locked in a DE basement.

That's his only chance.

Tara Reed unfortunately is a golden opportunity for the donks. They now have their excuse to get rid of Joe. I have almost zero concern about Trump beating Biden. I might have concern about Trump beating a handpicked replacement. Course that's the gazillion dollar question. Who would the donks replace Biden with? I know, this is the wrong thread for this..

[Gil Dobie]

Good article here from ABCNews, going over how surprisingly hospitals were/are one of the hardest hit parts of the economy as a result of the pandemic, which of course is the one sector you don't want hindered during a pandemic. The one part that caught me was how much it's been hit...

Recent data from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics shows that even with so many in health care working tirelessly to combat COVID-19, job losses in health care are second only to the leisure and hospitality sector.

The second hardest hit industry - that's crazy. With all the talk of re-opening things, I don't think there's been enough done to re-open hospitals and to make the case that going to the hospital is safe. There's such fear out there that hospitals are basically germ centers at this point that people are refusing to go to hospitals even if they're having a hear attack or a stroke. Heard on NPR the other day the story of a 40 some year old woman who spent 5 days at home having a stroke before finally going to the hospital, and by then there was so much damage they couldn't save her, when normally her condition was very recoverable if treated early.

People think that hospitals have been overrun, people think that hospitals are fill with Covid patients right now, and the fault for that lies with every leader out there at every level and it lies with the media. And in the push to get people back to work we haven't made this a big enough issue.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/covid-19- ... s_card_hed

We just need to open up the county cautiously. Make sure the vulnerable are sheltering in place if they desire. Allow the same options at stores and restaurants for curb-side pickup, and virtual Dr Appointments for office visits when applicable, remote work options. The rest of the population should go back to business as usual. Fans at sports events, restaurant seating as normal etc, etc. This way we would protect the vulnerable and save the economy.

[Gil Dobie]

That's his only chance.

Tara Reed unfortunately is a golden opportunity for the donks. They now have their excuse to get rid of Joe. I have almost zero concern about Trump beating Biden. I might have concern about Trump beating a handpicked replacement. Course that's the gazillion dollar question. Who would the donks replace Biden with? I know, this is the wrong thread for this..

Hillary and Michelle waiting in the wings. This could actually happen.

[AZGrizFan]

So it's ok to let people with coronary and other conditions be too scared to go to the hospital in order to save beds for potential COVID-19 patients?

Preventative measures have killed people and will continue to kill people. We need to stop being heat seeking, panic missiles about this virus and find a good balance between the positive and negative impacts of prevention and opening up. Putting too much focus on the benefits of prevention is short-sighted and stupid.

Agreed, the stories you're only starting to hear now are the ER's being eerily quiet and that the daily heart attacks and strokes that were happening before COVID are mysteriously no longer happening. Obviously they are, they're just happening at home now and staying there. Again, the message needs to be that hospitals need to open up, every elective procedure or visit that was going to happen should happen, and that visiting a hospital, even in the shelter in place mandate, should be allowed and should be encouraged. We've done a great job of making sure people are worried about getting Covid, but we've gone so far in doing that that people aren't trustful of venturing out and not dying. Great for shelter in place, terrible for getting people to the care they should be getting. And when the second wave and the third wave and all the successive waves hit that will hit pretty much no matter what until we have a vaccine or a reasonable treatment, those waves will hit hospitals with fewer and fewer resources and personnel, and could be worse as a result, because we acted with an "abundance of caution" right now rather than with some forward thinking rational thought.

And then when those heart attacks and strokes kill at home, they’re counted as COVID deaths.

[AZGrizFan]

So you have the correct time frame and process nailed down?

No I don't but I'm not a policy or decision maker on this so I don't need to. I am tired of all the heat seeking panic missiles who act like lives that might be lost to COVID-19 are the ONLY lives that matter.

FIFY.

[Gil Dobie]

Agreed, the stories you're only starting to hear now are the ER's being eerily quiet and that the daily heart attacks and strokes that were happening before COVID are mysteriously no longer happening. Obviously they are, they're just happening at home now and staying there. Again, the message needs to be that hospitals need to open up, every elective procedure or visit that was going to happen should happen, and that visiting a hospital, even in the shelter in place mandate, should be allowed and should be encouraged. We've done a great job of making sure people are worried about getting Covid, but we've gone so far in doing that that people aren't trustful of venturing out and not dying. Great for shelter in place, terrible for getting people to the care they should be getting. And when the second wave and the third wave and all the successive waves hit that will hit pretty much no matter what until we have a vaccine or a reasonable treatment, those waves will hit hospitals with fewer and fewer resources and personnel, and could be worse as a result, because we acted with an "abundance of caution" right now rather than with some forward thinking rational thought.

And then when those heart attacks and strokes kill at home, they’re counted as COVID deaths.

Trump thinks that too.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

https://www.aier.org/article/woodstock- ... -pandemic/

Our government is a bunch of cunts

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[AZGrizFan]

https://www.aier.org/article/woodstock- ... -pandemic/

Our government is a bunch of cunts

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What a terrific article. Really shows what a backasswards approach that was taken this time around....globally.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

It shows how we are being scammed.

We need a purge in an American Revolution kind of way. Maybe stop around 200 million in the USA

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[BDKJMU]

https://www.aier.org/article/woodstock- ... -pandemic/

Our government is a bunch of cunts

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What a terrific article. Really shows what a backasswards approach that was taken this time around....globally.

Yep.
Worst Virus outbreaks in the US in the past century+

1918-1919 Spanish Flu (unknown origin)
CDC estimated killed 675,000 Americans out of a population 103 million, equivalent to about 2.2 million Americans out of today’s population of 329 million.

1957-1958 Asian Flu (came from China)
CDC estimated killed 116,000 Americans out of a population 175 million, equivalent to about 220,000 out of today’s population of 329 million.

1968-1970 Hong Kong Flu (came from China).
CDC estimate killed about 100 Americans out of a population of 200 million, equivalent to about 165,000 out of today’s population of 329 million.

2020 Chinese Virus
CDC estimates 73k+ so far.

https://weather.com/health/cold-flu/new ... nt-history
https://www.multpl.com/united-states-po ... le/by-year

For both the Asian Flu and the Hong Kong Flu, there were no mass shutdowns and stay at homes..

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

More fraud



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[Gil Dobie]

What a terrific article. Really shows what a backasswards approach that was taken this time around....globally.

Yep.
Worst Virus outbreaks in the US in the past century+

1918-1919 Spanish Flu (unknown origin)
CDC estimated killed 675,000 Americans out of a population 103 million, equivalent to about 2.2 million Americans out of today’s population of 329 million.

1957-1958 Asian Flu (came from China)
CDC estimated killed 116,000 Americans out of a population 175 million, equivalent to about 160,000 out of today’s population of 329 million.

1968-1970 Hong Kong Flu (came from China).
CDC estimate killed about 100 Americans out of a population of 200 million, equivalent to about 165,000 out of today’s population of 329 million.

2020 Chinese Virus
CDC estimates 73k+ so far.

https://weather.com/health/cold-flu/new ... nt-history
https://www.multpl.com/united-states-po ... le/by-year

For both the Asian Flu and the Hong Kong Flu, which both killed over 100k, equivalent to around 160-165k in today’s population, there were no mass shutdowns and stay at homes..

No mitigation could be why so many died, and this one isn't over yet. Might pass all but the Spannish Flu.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

https://thepeedmont.com/2020/05/07/nort ... a-haircut/

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[kalm]

Yep.
Worst Virus outbreaks in the US in the past century+

1918-1919 Spanish Flu (unknown origin)
CDC estimated killed 675,000 Americans out of a population 103 million, equivalent to about 2.2 million Americans out of today’s population of 329 million.

1957-1958 Asian Flu (came from China)
CDC estimated killed 116,000 Americans out of a population 175 million, equivalent to about 160,000 out of today’s population of 329 million.

1968-1970 Hong Kong Flu (came from China).
CDC estimate killed about 100 Americans out of a population of 200 million, equivalent to about 165,000 out of today’s population of 329 million.

2020 Chinese Virus
CDC estimates 73k+ so far.

https://weather.com/health/cold-flu/new ... nt-history
https://www.multpl.com/united-states-po ... le/by-year

For both the Asian Flu and the Hong Kong Flu, which both killed over 100k, equivalent to around 160-165k in today’s population, there were no mass shutdowns and stay at homes..

No mitigation could be why so many died, and this one isn't over yet. Might pass all but the Spannish Flu.

On the current trajectory and with mitigation this one will approach those numbers in 6 months compared to 18 in late 69-70.

I also wonder about the comparative recovery time and long term organ damage that is being suspected.

Interesting read though.

[Ivytalk]

Mrs. Ivy and I have sworn off the national TV news for the duration. Bunch of sensationalist assholes who play up every negative and don’t provide useful information. We get most of our Covid-19 news and helpful info from local news and reliable Internet sources.