Coronavirus COVID-19

[AZGrizFan]

None of your business. Your assumption is wrong and I’ll leave it at that.

So zero. Got it.

You don’t comprehend English well, do you?

[kalm]

Yeah.....

No.

They’re not everything but saying they’re meaningless is like saying this the flu.

Its like saying death counts are meaningless after locking down ad/or voluntary social distancing for 2 months.

Yeah

no.

Death counts and cases in ICU matter. Everything else doesn't. We know the demographics of those highest at risk (old people and those with underlying health issues). Everyone else has a very small chance of dying from the Chinese Flu.


Time to open everything back up.

Which both are both driven by the infection rate.

Another one the smart guys are watching is reproduction rate....

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-5 ... 3=BBC+News

[kalm]

Another number to watch is total cases to active cases. In Texas, 20,000 cases out of 37,000 have “recovered”. That certainly can be skewed by date of diagnosis but I put recovered in quotes for two reasons.

1). From what I’ve read, recovery can mean weeks of hospitalization if not months. As in 4 weeks after being checked in, “You moved your finger! That’s wonderful!”

2). There are some initial indications of long term organ damage with the potential to haunt a person for the rest of their life.

Texas, Florida, SC, Georgia, Sweden, will be interesting to keep an eye on as their voluntary social distancing relaxes further. There seems to be a 3 to 5 week lag from infection to hospitalization, 3 to 4 weeks ago was the peak of stay at home for these places.

Come early June we should have a much better idea of the trajectory. Hopefully it’s falling or at least plateaued.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/coronavirus-l ... soc_trk=fb

[mainejeff]

Another fake conk who has zero clue as to what the protests are really about.

What are they about and how do they help?

I think that the protests are about the government taking their guns?

[mainejeff]

What are they about and how do they help?

If you don’t see the slippery slope this country is on I can’t help you. People willingly giving up freedom for the illusion of safety provided by a benevolent government.

Thanks but no thanks.

Listen you dumb fuck......there is NO slippery slope with a deadly virus. You either take precautions to minimize hospitalizations, loss of life & extended economic ills.....or you don't. Sadly we know which side you are on.

[89Hen]

If you don’t see the slippery slope this country is on I can’t help you. People willingly giving up freedom for the illusion of safety provided by a benevolent government.

Thanks but no thanks.

Listen you dumb fuck......there is NO slippery slope with a deadly virus. You either take precautions to minimize hospitalizations, loss of life & extended economic ills.....or you don't. Sadly we know which side you are on.

I can't tell if you really don't get what he's talking about. Jeff, EVERY year we have a deadly virus that hits us. The hard part is determining HOW deadly it has to appear to be for us to take such drastic measures as we have this year. As you said, you either take precautions, or you don't. Every other year the only precautions we take are advising people to wash their hands a lot. We do have a vaccine for flu every year, and every year it's a crap shoot as to how well it will work. We KNOW that EVERY year, 10's of thousands of people are going to die from the flu. Sometimes it's close to 100,000. Yet we never close down a single thing.

I guess you think the precautions are an all or nothing thing.

[∞∞∞]

If you don’t see the slippery slope this country is on I can’t help you. People willingly giving up freedom for the illusion of safety provided by a benevolent government.

Thanks but no thanks.

Listen you dumb fuck......there is NO slippery slope with a deadly virus. You either take precautions to minimize hospitalizations, loss of life & extended economic ills.....or you don't. Sadly we know which side you are on.

Slippery slope isn't even a real argument. One of the most common, best-studied, and oldest logical fallacies in the world.

[CAA Flagship]

Listen you dumb fuck......there is NO slippery slope with a deadly virus. You either take precautions to minimize hospitalizations, loss of life & extended economic ills.....or you don't. Sadly we know which side you are on.

Slippery slope isn't even a real argument. One of the most common, best-studied, and oldest logical fallacies in the world.

Slippery slope is real.

[∞∞∞]

[UNI88]

If you don’t see the slippery slope this country is on I can’t help you. People willingly giving up freedom for the illusion of safety provided by a benevolent government.

Thanks but no thanks.

Listen you dumb fuck......there is NO slippery slope with a deadly virus. You either take precautions to minimize hospitalizations, loss of life & extended economic ills.....or you don't. Sadly we know which side you are on.

Look, the heat-seeking fear missiles are attempting to co-opt the "extended economic ills" argument for their own.

Geoffrey, it's not as simple as just taking "precautions to minimize hospitalizations, loss of life." There are costs to those precautions that need to be considered. And those costs don't just involve the wealthy losing a portion of their wealth. They involve job loss, depression, suicide, etc. by regular people. They involve hospitals not operating near capacity and being at risk of going under. They involve governments not bringing in as much tax revenue and having to cut services. Lives are and will be lost and damaged due to the precautions.

[UNI88]

Listen you dumb fuck......there is NO slippery slope with a deadly virus. You either take precautions to minimize hospitalizations, loss of life & extended economic ills.....or you don't. Sadly we know which side you are on.

Slippery slope isn't even a real argument. One of the most common, best-studied, and oldest logical fallacies in the world.

Is the slippery slope argument always fallacious?

[AZGrizFan]

Listen you dumb fuck......there is NO slippery slope with a deadly virus. You either take precautions to minimize hospitalizations, loss of life & extended economic ills.....or you don't. Sadly we know which side you are on.

Slippery slope isn't even a real argument. One of the most common, best-studied, and oldest logical fallacies in the world.

mmm hmmmm….

Trip, you're the frog.

[kalm]

Listen you dumb fuck......there is NO slippery slope with a deadly virus. You either take precautions to minimize hospitalizations, loss of life & extended economic ills.....or you don't. Sadly we know which side you are on.

Look, the heat-seeking fear missiles are attempting to co-opt the "extended economic ills" argument for their own.

Geoffrey, it's not as simple as just taking "precautions to minimize hospitalizations, loss of life." There are costs to those precautions that need to be considered. And those costs don't just involve the wealthy losing a portion of their wealth. They involve job loss, depression, suicide, etc. by regular people. They involve hospitals not operating near capacity and being at risk of going under. They involve governments not bringing in as much tax revenue and having to cut services. Lives are and will be lost and damaged due to the precautions.

Valid but there are also long term economic effects related to lifespan and infection rates.

https://www.businessinsider.com/study-f ... rly-2020-5

[CID1990]

And now German intelligence concludes that Xi himself pressured the WHO chairman to hold off on declaring a pandemic for at least 4 weeks.

Translated from Der Spiegel -


https://dailycaller.com/2020/05/09/chin ... p-germany/

[UNI88]

Look, the heat-seeking fear missiles are attempting to co-opt the "extended economic ills" argument for their own.

Geoffrey, it's not as simple as just taking "precautions to minimize hospitalizations, loss of life." There are costs to those precautions that need to be considered. And those costs don't just involve the wealthy losing a portion of their wealth. They involve job loss, depression, suicide, etc. by regular people. They involve hospitals not operating near capacity and being at risk of going under. They involve governments not bringing in as much tax revenue and having to cut services. Lives are and will be lost and damaged due to the precautions.

Valid but there are also long term economic effects related to lifespan and infection rates.

https://www.businessinsider.com/study-f ... rly-2020-5

No doubt that the virus itself will have negative economic impacts. It might also have positive economic impacts. Arguing that we should focus on minimizing COVID-19 "hospitalizations, loss of life & extended economic ills" is just as short-sighted and foolish as arguing that this is the same as the flu and we should just open things back up and go on with our lives.

[kalm]

Valid but there are also long term economic effects related to lifespan and infection rates.

https://www.businessinsider.com/study-f ... rly-2020-5

No doubt that the virus itself will have negative economic impacts. It might also have positive economic impacts. Arguing that we should focus on minimizing COVID-19 "hospitalizations, loss of life & extended economic ills" is just as short-sighted and foolish as arguing that this is the same as the flu and we should just open things back up and go on with our lives.

I was thinking of making a similar comment. Predicting the economics of what might happen is tricky for both opening sooner or later.

[89Hen]

Predicting the economics of what might happen is tricky for both opening sooner or later.

I don't think it's hard to predict which would have a bigger positive or negative impact on the economy.

[HI54UNI]

And now German intelligence concludes that Xi himself pressured the WHO chairman to hold off on declaring a pandemic for at least 4 weeks.

Translated from Der Spiegel -


https://dailycaller.com/2020/05/09/chin ... p-germany/

Impossible! China is our benevolent and honest friend. Joe Biden told me so.

[AZGrizFan]

Predicting the economics of what might happen is tricky for both opening sooner or later.

I don't think it's hard to predict which would have a bigger positive or negative impact on the economy.

Let's see:

Unemployment 14.7%
GDP down to -4.8% for the quarter
33 million people unemployed (worst than depression #'s)

Yeah....I wonder.....which would be worse?

[Gil Dobie]

I don't think it's hard to predict which would have a bigger positive or negative impact on the economy.

Let's see:

Unemployment 14.7%
GDP down to -4.8% for the quarter
33 million people unemployed (worst than depression #'s)

Yeah....I wonder.....which would be worse?

Many states are opening up but have those numbers changed?

[Gil Dobie]

Now that we have a treatment that works for COVID patients, there is not enough to go around yet. Panels have been formed at certain hospitals, to decide which patients will get the drug.

[kalm]

I don't think it's hard to predict which would have a bigger positive or negative impact on the economy.

Let's see:

Unemployment 14.7%
GDP down to -4.8% for the quarter
33 million people unemployed (worst than depression #'s)

Yeah....I wonder.....which would be worse?

You SHOULD wonder. Beware of the person who has all the answers....

Unless you, Dr. AZGrizFan, Epidemiologist, know for a fact that we’re at the tail end and risks of regional 2nd waves and spike related additional shutdowns due to relaxed social distancing are minimal.

Here’s an interesting study regarding who recovers faster...

“Seattle is likely to have one of the quickest and strongest recoveries in the nation as the coronavirus scare winds down, according to a report by Moody’s Analytics.

The report, cited by Yahoo Finance, analyzed the top 100 U.S. metro areas' capabilities for a strong recovery using two primary factors: population density and educational attainment.

“The most dynamic recoveries may well bypass traditional powerhouses and take place instead in areas that (weren’t) poised to lead the way in 2020 before everything changed,” wrote Adam Kamins, senior regional economist at Moody’s Analytics, according to Yahoo Finance.

The analysis found that the cities best poised to recover quickly included San Jose, Calif.; Durham, N.C.; Austin, Texas; Seattle; and Minneapolis.

Kamins believed that the twin factors of low population density and educational attainment were going to boost these metro areas.

“A key difference between this recovery and the last recovery is the population density,” he was quoted as saying by Yahoo Finance. “It's going to have a different effect this time than it did last time.”


https://komonews.com/news/local/report- ... ost-cities

[89Hen]

Let's see:

Unemployment 14.7%
GDP down to -4.8% for the quarter
33 million people unemployed (worst than depression #'s)

Yeah....I wonder.....which would be worse?

Many states are opening up but have those numbers changed?

You're joking, right??

[89Hen]

Unless you, Dr. AZGrizFan, Epidemiologist, know for a fact that we’re at the tail end and risks of regional 2nd waves and spike related additional shutdowns due to relaxed social distancing are minimal.

So another shut down would be as bad as the current shut down. Check. WTF kalm?? What part of being shutdown is what hurts the economy don't you get?

[AZGrizFan]

Let's see:

Unemployment 14.7%
GDP down to -4.8% for the quarter
33 million people unemployed (worst than depression #'s)

Yeah....I wonder.....which would be worse?

You SHOULD wonder. Beware of the person who has all the answers....

Unless you, Dr. AZGrizFan, Epidemiologist, know for a fact that we’re at the tail end and risks of regional 2nd waves and spike related additional shutdowns due to relaxed social distancing are minimal.

Yeah, except I've literally said NONE of that--in fact I've said exactly the opposite. You're sounding more and more like Trip lately.