1). You haven’t been to Eastern Washington. It’s probably 40% masks at best in grocery and hardware stores and even less in c-stores. Meanwhile the commissioners of 21 counties in WA state are sending a mean letter to Inslee demanding an immediate variance for phase 2 reopening while several of those counties have some the highest infection rates around due to ag production. Good news is that if they show they can snuff out an outbreak quickly that should go a long ways.GannonFan wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 11:00 amOther than some whackos toting weapons and marching in groups of a 100 people strong, maybe, on state capitols, does anyone truly tout the all or nothing idea of opening things up with no restrictions (no masks, no checks, no cleanings, just head back out there)? And I'd argue that we give voice to that small minority of whackos by governors and others who don't take the practical and logical steps to move forward that are already out there. When you tout "let's listen to science" and then do things that don't agree with the science, you're undermining your own message and letting the whackos with the guns get a foot in the door.kalm wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 10:22 am
Nothing will change is as vapid as wishing to go back (which Ganny gracefully corrected)
Things are changing daily whether it’s relaxing of restrictions and reopenings to better scientific understanding.
The argument has always been about risk tolerance of the disease within an economic framework.
The all or nothing or fuck it approach is what I take it issue with.
Over in Jersey we had signs on the beaches last weekend that allowed surfing but forbade swimming. Yeah, I know, less people surf (or what amounts to surfing on the east coast) than swim so you'd get less crowds, but that's not how the message went out. It just sounded like the governor (Murphy in this case) said surfing was safe but swimming wasn't. That just sounds dumb. And you still have to deal with the image that you've let Walmart be in business throughout this whole thing while smaller businesses that do or sell things very similar to Walmart couldn't be open. And even on top of that, in PA, like other states, "life-essential" businesses have been open the whole time while those not having that classification haven't. What made the list for life-essential, however, was far and wide, especially if you had connections and needed to lobby for it. And in the end, some people have been working right through all of this just taking the measures and precautions that we'll adopt everywhere in just a few weeks. Hopefully we'll get that chance.
The more we stubbornly cling to the notion that we can't open up, or that advocating opening up goes against science, for whatever "science" is supposed to mean in that argument, the more we embolden recklessness by those who are frustrated that those making decisions are weakening their own credibility with capricious and arbitrary decision making.
2). We are talking past each other a bit here (I know...shocker!
). We’re actually pretty damn close on much of this. I think it’s inevitable this will become more county and local specific in restrictions. It will remain a rollercoaster for some areas depending on voluntary compliance to social distancing and how quickly containment of outbreaks can occur.
Yeah, he kind of described those pastors in that meme earlier.
). It's "save all lives" or whatever bullshit narrative is being pushed now by the fearmongers.
Ben is nowhere close to a Tucker. You should have used Hannity or Ingraham.
