Cancel Culture thread

[AZGrizFan]

It was also built on the blacks of the Chinese and the Irish. Why not show them love?!

Oh for sure, let's honor them too.

The Founding Fathers had their moment and it's probably time to move past it. I'm ok if we stop memorializing a bunch of wealthy white men who had the ultimate hissy fit because they were angry at paying even richer white men, started a nation under the guise of "liberty" with no input from anyone except other elite white men, proceeded to put ALL power into the hands of said elite, then continued to enslave blacks, kill Native Americans and steal their land, and gave woman no say in the political process.

Jesus you’re an idiot.

[∞∞∞]

Eh, even the Jacobin elites from the French Revolution are heavily criticized while we somehow deified our guys.

I guess you could say America had to have been made so better Republics and Democracies could be made afterwards. Assuming the FF were actually going for ideals (instead of practical matters regarding slavery, keeping their wealth, status, etc.), maybe they could've laid better groundwork had they access to practical political philosophies (ex. Hegel).

But even as men of their time, they were mostly rich white dudes who were angry that they weren't even richer. The East India Company f*cked up (again) as it looted the world and the FF were just mad that Britain had to tax them for it to make up funds...an early example of the inherent greed in capitalism and corporations, and how they tear society when left to their own devices.

[Gil Dobie]

No, I don't hate anyone (ps. I'm white). GW and company were men of their time and I can't blame them for it, but that doesn't mean we have to honor them today. There's always museums and history books.

This country was built on the back of black people and the suffering of Native Americans, as well as the white people who fought for their rights...those are the Americans that should be honored.

Museums and history books are next for those who wish to wash history like some American Taliban.

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And southern historians.

[kalm]

Eh, even the Jacobin elites from the French Revolution are heavily criticized while we somehow deified our guys.

I guess you could say America had to have been made so better Republics and Democracies could be made afterwards. Assuming the FF were actually going for ideals (instead of practical matters regarding slavery, keeping their wealth, status, etc.), maybe they could've laid better groundwork had they access to practical political philosophies (ex. Hegel).

But even as men of their time, they were mostly rich white dudes who were angry that they weren't even richer. The East India Company f*cked up (again) as it looted the world and the FF were just mad that Britain had to tax them for it to make up funds...an early example of the inherent greed in capitalism and corporations, and how they tear society when left to their own devices.

I’m predicting a whole bunch of butthurt and snowflakery over this post...

[UNI88]

I didn't realize Washington and Jefferson were confederates.

Considering it was the second post, I'm pretty sure I was replying to BDK's original post.

Do they not teach reading comprehension in northern Virginia? Me post regarding Washington and Jefferson being confederates was in response to DBJ's.

Let's go through this chronologically:

1) You post "I'm 100% on board for taking down all Washington monuments and renaming DC, as well as taking down the Jefferson Memorial and renaming the Washington monument. I prefer rededicating it all to blacks and Native Americans who suffered for this country."

2) I respond with "Museums and history books are next for those who wish to wash history like some American Taliban."

3) DBJ responds "Why do the racists want to cling to Confederate Statues so much? Why don't we erect statues of Hitler and King George III? I think we need to put up a statue of Benedict Arnold."

4) I respond "Did you actually read Trip's post that I was responding to?", include a quote of the post (#1 above) and finish up with "I didn't realize Washington and Jefferson were confederates."

[Pwns]

Eh, even the Jacobin elites from the French Revolution are heavily criticized while we somehow deified our guys.

I guess you could say America had to have been made so better Republics and Democracies could be made afterwards. Assuming the FF were actually going for ideals (instead of practical matters regarding slavery, keeping their wealth, status, etc.), maybe they could've laid better groundwork had they access to practical political philosophies (ex. Hegel).

But even as men of their time, they were mostly rich white dudes who were angry that they weren't even richer. The East India Company f*cked up (again) as it looted the world and the FF were just mad that Britain had to tax them for it to make up funds...an early example of the inherent greed in capitalism and corporations, and how they tear society when left to their own devices.

Comparing the French revolution to America's is mistake #1.

[UNI88]

Eh, even the Jacobin elites from the French Revolution are heavily criticized while we somehow deified our guys.

I guess you could say America had to have been made so better Republics and Democracies could be made afterwards. Assuming the FF were actually going for ideals (instead of practical matters regarding slavery, keeping their wealth, status, etc.), maybe they could've laid better groundwork had they access to practical political philosophies (ex. Hegel).

But even as men of their time, they were mostly rich white dudes who were angry that they weren't even richer. The East India Company f*cked up (again) as it looted the world and the FF were just mad that Britain had to tax them for it to make up funds...an early example of the inherent greed in capitalism and corporations, and how they tear society when left to their own devices.

I’m predicting a whole bunch of butthurt and snowflakery over this post...

Why should I be butthurt over Trip's gross generalization and stereotyping of the FFs. It really isn't that different than saying that African Americans are lazy or "irrationally violent" or that millennials are lazy, entitled mama's boys who think they should be given jobs simply because of their perception of their own importance and that they deserve 10+% raises every year.

And I have no problem with criticizing the FFs but that is very different from trying to ignore and erase their legacy because they were flawed like all humans in every single age and that includes me, you, and Trip in this one.

[LeadBolt]

Simple question, how can we atone for our past and move ahead if we erase it.

I’m in favor of paying each former slave $1MM in reparations.


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[CID1990]

When do the re-education camps open up?


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American far lefties are just a bunch of little two bit Robespierres running around from outrage to outrage

They’ll never be organized enough, and they eat each other regularly, so I’m not making plans for offshoring anytime soon


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[ALPHAGRIZ1]

I canceled a cancel culture fuck face tonight.

Hope they have medical insurance

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[∞∞∞]

I canceled a cancel culture fuck face tonight.

Hope they have medical insurance.

You better hope they don't 'cause not only is the victim liable to sue, the insurance company will want to as well.

[CID1990]

I canceled a cancel culture fuck face tonight.

Hope they have medical insurance.

You better hope they don't 'cause not only is the victim liable to sue, the insurance company will want to as well.

Insurance companies don’t sue, Treep.

They settle.

It’s an algorithm

[Ibanez]

It was also built on the blacks of the Chinese and the Irish. Why not show them love?!

Oh for sure, let's honor them too.

The Founding Fathers had their moment and it's probably time to move past it. I'm ok if we stop memorializing a bunch of wealthy white men who had the ultimate hissy fit because they were angry at paying even richer white men, started a nation under the guise of "liberty" with no input from anyone except other elite white men, proceeded to put ALL power into the hands of said elite, then continued to enslave blacks, kill Native Americans and steal their land, and gave woman no say in the political process.

Yeah, who needs to remember where we came from.

Why do we need to be so pure? Actually - now that I think of it - this cancel culture and purity movement is looking eerily similar to the fascist movements of the 1920s and 1930s.

[Ibanez]

Eh, even the Jacobin elites from the French Revolution are heavily criticized while we somehow deified our guys.

I guess you could say America had to have been made so better Republics and Democracies could be made afterwards. Assuming the FF were actually going for ideals (instead of practical matters regarding slavery, keeping their wealth, status, etc.), maybe they could've laid better groundwork had they access to practical political philosophies (ex. Hegel).

But even as men of their time, they were mostly rich white dudes who were angry that they weren't even richer. The East India Company f*cked up (again) as it looted the world and the FF were just mad that Britain had to tax them for it to make up funds...an early example of the inherent greed in capitalism and corporations, and how they tear society when left to their own devices.

You think many of those landowners were actually wealthy? The Virginia planting class was notoriously stretched thin and lived off credit until they could sell their crops and BARLEY make a profit. Were some of the FF wealthy planters, lawyers,etc... yes.

Also - it sounds like you disagree with their complaint that they should have representation. Are you suggesting that men of means can't feel disenfranchised?

[Ibanez]

When do the re-education camps open up?


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American far lefties are just a bunch of little two bit Robespierres running around from outrage to outrage

They’ll never be organized enough, and they eat each other regularly, so I’m not making plans for offshoring anytime soon


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I hadn't thought of Robespierre ( I was thinking of McCarthyism) but you're right. They'll eat themselves.

[CID1990]

American far lefties are just a bunch of little two bit Robespierres running around from outrage to outrage

They’ll never be organized enough, and they eat each other regularly, so I’m not making plans for offshoring anytime soon


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I hadn't thought of Robespierre ( I was thinking of McCarthyism) but you're right. They'll eat themselves.

What they want is Mao

But what they are doing is Robespierre


https://reason.com/2020/06/12/protester ... 3-project/

[Ibanez]

I hadn't thought of Robespierre ( I was thinking of McCarthyism) but you're right. They'll eat themselves.

What they want is Mao

But what they are doing is Robespierre


https://reason.com/2020/06/12/protester ... 3-project/

Yeah, I see it.

Correct me if i'm off base but am I the only one that see's some McCarthyism/Fascism/Disenfranchisement and even "Seperate but Equal" mentality and motives in these protests, CHAZ, etc....

It's a purity movement, plan and simple.

[∞∞∞]

Eh, even the Jacobin elites from the French Revolution are heavily criticized while we somehow deified our guys.

I guess you could say America had to have been made so better Republics and Democracies could be made afterwards. Assuming the FF were actually going for ideals (instead of practical matters regarding slavery, keeping their wealth, status, etc.), maybe they could've laid better groundwork had they access to practical political philosophies (ex. Hegel).

But even as men of their time, they were mostly rich white dudes who were angry that they weren't even richer. The East India Company f*cked up (again) as it looted the world and the FF were just mad that Britain had to tax them for it to make up funds...an early example of the inherent greed in capitalism and corporations, and how they tear society when left to their own devices.

You think many of those landowners were actually wealthy? The Virginia planting class was notoriously stretched thin and lived off credit until they could sell their crops and BARLEY make a profit. Were some of the FF wealthy planters, lawyers,etc... yes.

Also - it sounds like you disagree with their complaint that they should have representation. Are you suggesting that men of means can't feel disenfranchised?

No, I'm not suggesting that. But their feeling of disenfranchisement was at the cost of a lot of peoples disenfranchisement.

Let's not immortalize the FF as saviors when they did it primarily to benefit themselves under the guise of liberty, while throwing every other person (blacks, Natives, women, the lesser educated, etc) under the bus. Hell they even wrote into the Constitution a safeguard to protect themselves from a Presidential result just in case they didn't agree with it, divided the Legislative branch so it didn't have as much power, made sure only certain people could cote, and of course continued with slavery.

I get it, they were men of their times and every system has imperfections. To their credit, they kickstarted the idea of freedom and liberty, but the first take isn't often the best take. There's since been better political philosophies and governments we can emulate and improve upon which actually fall in line with the ideals of the American experiment. Let's stop clinging to the past.

[Ibanez]

You think many of those landowners were actually wealthy? The Virginia planting class was notoriously stretched thin and lived off credit until they could sell their crops and BARLEY make a profit. Were some of the FF wealthy planters, lawyers,etc... yes.

Also - it sounds like you disagree with their complaint that they should have representation. Are you suggesting that men of means can't feel disenfranchised?

No, I'm not suggesting that. But their feeling of disenfranchisement was at the cost of a lot of peoples disenfranchisement.

Let's not immortalize the FF as saviors when they did it primarily to benefit themselves under the guise of liberty, while throwing every other person (blacks, Natives, women, the lesser educated, etc) under the bus. Hell they even wrote into the Constitution a safeguard to protect themselves from a Presidential result just in case they didn't agree with it, divided the Legislative branch so it didn't have as much power, made sure only certain people could cote, and of course continued with slavery.

I get it, they were men of their times and every system has imperfections. To their credit, they kickstarted the idea of freedom and liberty, but the first take isn't often the best take. There's since been better political philosophies and governments we can emulate and improve upon which actually fall in line with the ideals of the American experiment. Let's stop clinging to the past.

If you're hoping for some country to be born out of altruism, you'll be looking for a long time. And we aren't on their first take. The Articles of Confederation was a failure. Even the country as it exists today is vastly different than the beginning. We are evolving and it seems like it's not as the pace that the SJWs want.

But if they want reform - their methods do nothing to help their cause. Their methods only exacerbate the problem and the prejudice that people lay upon them.

I'm all for not having bases named after Confederates - especially shitty ones like Bragg - but this movement is to purify the country. And those movements will fail. They'll be brutal and bloody.

Are we going to get rid of everything with Lincoln's name and face on it b/c he said he'd sue for peace if it meant keeping slaves or his participation in sending blacks back to Africa? These people were humans..not gods. The SJWs are putting them on a pedestal as if they were gods. They were humans and we're judging them based on our 21st century views. I don't know what erasing their presence and destroying our history is going to do that's a net positive.

[kalm]

I’m predicting a whole bunch of butthurt and snowflakery over this post...

Why should I be butthurt over Trip's gross generalization and stereotyping of the FFs. It really isn't that different than saying that African Americans are lazy or "irrationally violent" or that millennials are lazy, entitled mama's boys who think they should be given jobs simply because of their perception of their own importance and that they deserve 10+% raises every year.

And I have no problem with criticizing the FFs but that is very different from trying to ignore and erase their legacy because they were flawed like all humans in every single age and that includes me, you, and Trip in this one.

You shouldn’t be. I don’t agree with everything Trip has said but it’s thought provoking. Judging by the number of replies after it, I’d say my prediction was accurate.

[kalm]

Considering it was the second post, I'm pretty sure I was replying to BDK's original post.

Do they not teach reading comprehension in northern Virginia? Me post regarding Washington and Jefferson being confederates was in response to DBJ's.

Let's go through this chronologically:

1) You post "I'm 100% on board for taking down all Washington monuments and renaming DC, as well as taking down the Jefferson Memorial and renaming the Washington monument. I prefer rededicating it all to blacks and Native Americans who suffered for this country."

2) I respond with "Museums and history books are next for those who wish to wash history like some American Taliban."

3) DBJ responds "Why do the racists want to cling to Confederate Statues so much? Why don't we erect statues of Hitler and King George III? I think we need to put up a statue of Benedict Arnold."

4) I respond "Did you actually read Trip's post that I was responding to?", include a quote of the post (#1 above) and finish up with "I didn't realize Washington and Jefferson were confederates."

Are you Irish?

[CID1990]

Why should I be butthurt over Trip's gross generalization and stereotyping of the FFs. It really isn't that different than saying that African Americans are lazy or "irrationally violent" or that millennials are lazy, entitled mama's boys who think they should be given jobs simply because of their perception of their own importance and that they deserve 10+% raises every year.

And I have no problem with criticizing the FFs but that is very different from trying to ignore and erase their legacy because they were flawed like all humans in every single age and that includes me, you, and Trip in this one.

I don’t agree with everything Trip has said

Ha

Good one


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[kalm]

I don’t agree with everything Trip has said

Ha

Good one


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You’re as purty as the the 20 inch triploid I caught and released on a Thin Mint Friday.

[GannonFan]

What they want is Mao

But what they are doing is Robespierre


https://reason.com/2020/06/12/protester ... 3-project/

Yeah, I see it.

Correct me if i'm off base but am I the only one that see's some McCarthyism/Fascism/Disenfranchisement and even "Seperate but Equal" mentality and motives in these protests, CHAZ, etc....

It's a purity movement, plan and simple.

Nope, you're not the only one. The danger of fascism and the like in this country has of late been more pronounced on the left side of the aisle. It wasn't always that way, as you could argue the conservatives through the post Civil War to the 1960's were more like that, but now you have this cancel culture that doesn't know and doesn't care to know the complexity and nuance of history and is focused on quick feel good reactions. It's like Trip here, only a smattering of actual knowledge but filled with an inflated sense of self-worth, and you get a dangerous mix of uninformed but righteous fervor. The Weimar Republic never had a chance.

[CID1990]

Yeah, I see it.

Correct me if i'm off base but am I the only one that see's some McCarthyism/Fascism/Disenfranchisement and even "Seperate but Equal" mentality and motives in these protests, CHAZ, etc....

It's a purity movement, plan and simple.

Nope, you're not the only one. The danger of fascism and the like in this country has of late been more pronounced on the left side of the aisle. It wasn't always that way, as you could argue the conservatives through the post Civil War to the 1960's were more like that, but now you have this cancel culture that doesn't know and doesn't care to know the complexity and nuance of history and is focused on quick feel good reactions. It's like Trip here, only a smattering of actual knowledge but filled with an inflated sense of self-worth, and you get a dangerous mix of uninformed but righteous fervor. The Weimar Republic never had a chance.

Its nuanced, Ganny.. as someone we all know and love is sure to chime in and remind us


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