Hey Seattle and Portland.....

[AZGrizFan]

Are they commies or anarchists? It’s all quite confusing.

Capitol Hill has been like this for decades with the marches, hippies, shitty urban gardens, but great restaurants.

The main difference now is kicking the police out which makes it sort of lefty version of the Bundy Ranch (SD’s people I guess)

Meanwhile all of my Western Washington peeps from Vancouver to Renton to Kirkland to Poulsbo are somehow hanging in there despite these 6 whole blocks of dystopian mayhem.

Agreed.

And let's just call them for what they are: libertarians. Unlike the posers here, the people of the CHAZ actually embody the philosophy to a tee (even if unknowingly). Afterall, anarchy and socialism are main tenants of the philosophy.

Heck, even the ANTIFA flag is based on the Libertarian Socialist flag:

Jesus, stay out of the deep end, junior.

[ALPHAGRIZ1]

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[houndawg]

https://www.foxnews.com/us/seattle-prot ... of-demands

Seattle protesters currently occupying a six-block "cop free zone” that includes a shuttered precinct are now demanding things like free college and rent control on top of police reform following George Floyd’s death.

A lengthy, 30-point list posted online by demonstrators, titled “the demands of the collective black voices at Free Capitol Hill to the government of Seattle, Washington,” is calling for sweeping changes in the justice system, health and human services, the economy and education.

“We demand that the Seattle Council and the Mayor defund and abolish the Seattle Police Department and the attached Criminal Justice Apparatus,” reads its first point, adding that “existing pensions for Seattle Police” should also be wiped out.

As of Thursday morning, there is no apparent leader of the group. The downtown space where the protesters are amassing includes numerous restaurants and bars, an apartment building and a police precinct that was closed earlier this week in hopes of easing tensions following days of clashes between locals and cops.

Seattle Assistant Police Chief Deanna Nolette told KOMO News that the department wants to start sending officers back to the precinct, but the lack of organized leadership from the protest group is stalling efforts.Some of their police-related demands, however, are more specific.

“We demand that between now and the abolition of the SPD that each and every SPD officer turn on their body cameras, and that the body camera video of all Seattle police should be a matter of easily accessible public record,” one point reads.

The list also asks for a ban on the use of armed force by Seattle officers, which includes “no guns, no batons, no riot shields [and] no chemical weapons, especially against those exercising their First Amendment right as Americans to protest.”

Yet, other demands on the list appear less related to the discussions about police accountability taking place across the country in the wake of Floyd’s death.

In the list’s economic section, there are calls for “de-gentrification of Seattle, starting with rent control,” “free college for the people of the state of Washington” and the “restoration of city funding for arts and culture to re-establish the once-rich local cultural identity of Seattle.”

Its health section asks medical facilities in the area to “employ black doctors and nurses specifically to help care for black patients.”

The protesters also say Seattle should “disallow the operations of ICE” there, release “any prisoner currently serving time for a marijuana-related offense and expunge the related conviction” and that “prisoners currently serving time be given the full and unrestricted right to vote.”

Well if nothing else they learned well from their puppet masters, Pelosi and Schumer. Ask for the fucking MOON.

This has zero to do with George Floyd. Zero.

Honestly, I hope Seattle burns to the ground.

Bankers and cops, that's what needs to fuel the fire.

[BDKJMU]

Kudos to this marine. Couple less weapons in the hands of the CHAZ mob..

The man who responded quickly and professionally to immediately take the gun out of the kid’s hands before he accidentally or otherwise shot someone turned out to be a private security guard for the local media folks who were covering the riot.

Now, that security guard is talking to Q13 Fox, the tv station where he works to keep news crews safe on-location. In an interview aired Sunday, the man (who doesn’t want to be identified) spoke to anchor Brandi Kruse about why he swung into action, when he saw rioters ransacking two, destroyed Seattle police SUVs:

“The first thing that ran through my mind was, ‘I’ve got to get the team to safety.’ That’s you guys. I put you guys around the corner. I immediately assumed that there were firearms in those vehicles. I was an infantryman; that’s what you need to do: make a decision, and absolutely run with it.”

Then a rioter, who the Marine vet saw take an AR-15 rifle from one of the vehicles, fired the weapon, then, as the Q13 News report explains, “started to walk away, rifle in hand.”

Suddenly, the Marine veteran says, he saw what he needed to do.

“He held the weapon down and away, because he was shocked and afraid. So I came up and I snatched the weapon from him. I told him, ‘Get out of here!'”

But the story doesn’t end there. Another rioter was opening a rifle bag with another AR-15 inside it, in the back of second SUV. The guard took action:

“The thought was, ‘I need to take that. I need to get control of that. That’s a police firearm….'”

https://www.redstate.com/beccalower/202 ... ice-rifle/

[∞∞∞]

Yes, kudos to the marine. That's a good example of how you de-escalate a situation.

How many shots would the police have fired? I'll go with 50 to 70 with some background collateral and maybe a puppy.

[kalm]

Kudos to this marine. Couple less weapons in the hands of the CHAZ mob..

The man who responded quickly and professionally to immediately take the gun out of the kid’s hands before he accidentally or otherwise shot someone turned out to be a private security guard for the local media folks who were covering the riot.

Now, that security guard is talking to Q13 Fox, the tv station where he works to keep news crews safe on-location. In an interview aired Sunday, the man (who doesn’t want to be identified) spoke to anchor Brandi Kruse about why he swung into action, when he saw rioters ransacking two, destroyed Seattle police SUVs:

“The first thing that ran through my mind was, ‘I’ve got to get the team to safety.’ That’s you guys. I put you guys around the corner. I immediately assumed that there were firearms in those vehicles. I was an infantryman; that’s what you need to do: make a decision, and absolutely run with it.”

Then a rioter, who the Marine vet saw take an AR-15 rifle from one of the vehicles, fired the weapon, then, as the Q13 News report explains, “started to walk away, rifle in hand.”

Suddenly, the Marine veteran says, he saw what he needed to do.

“He held the weapon down and away, because he was shocked and afraid. So I came up and I snatched the weapon from him. I told him, ‘Get out of here!'”

But the story doesn’t end there. Another rioter was opening a rifle bag with another AR-15 inside it, in the back of second SUV. The guard took action:

“The thought was, ‘I need to take that. I need to get control of that. That’s a police firearm….'”

https://www.redstate.com/beccalower/202 ... ice-rifle/

What the???

WE LANDED ON THE MOON!!!

[AZGrizFan]

Yes, kudos to the marine. That's a good example of how you de-escalate a situation.

How many shots would the police have fired? I'll go with 50 to 70 with some background collateral and maybe a puppy.

And in that particular instance 70 wouldn’t have been enough. I’d have been fine with a couple hundred.

[UNI88]

Yes, kudos to the marine. That's a good example of how you de-escalate a situation.

How many shots would the police have fired? I'll go with 50 to 70 with some background collateral and maybe a puppy.

Good thing we're not a socialist nation or this might have been the response ...

[∞∞∞]

Yes, kudos to the marine. That's a good example of how you de-escalate a situation.

How many shots would the police have fired? I'll go with 50 to 70 with some background collateral and maybe a puppy.

Good thing we're not a socialist nation or this might have been the response ...

Except that specific tank driver showed way more restraint than many of our police officers.



The protestor even climbs the tank and isn't hurt (he'd be dead at that point over here).

Not trivializing the protests in Tienanmen Square as the response was brutal, but that specific driver was pretty damn patient.

[UNI88]

Good thing we're not a socialist nation or this might have been the response ...

Except that specific tank driver showed way more restraint than many of our police officers.



The protestor even climbs the tank and isn't hurt (he'd be dead at that point over here).

Not trivializing the protests in Tienanmen Square as the response was brutal, but that specific driver was pretty damn patient.

And how many times do the police interact with people in general and African Americans in particular without excessive violence on the LEO's part? Why do you damn all LEOs for a small percentage of interactions that go bad? If all LEO's can be damned because of a small number of bad apples then all protesters should be damned for a small number of rioters.

Your response skips over the reality that socialist governments are much more likely to respond with force. People who protest police brutality and advocate for a socialist form of government in the US are either hypocrites, ignorant, or both.

[∞∞∞]

Your response skips over the reality that socialist governments are much more likely to respond with force. People who protest police brutality and advocate for a socialist form of government in the US are either hypocrites, ignorant, or both.

You're just going to ignore the entire history of the US - including both the physical and economic violence - that capitalism has brought upon people in the pursuit of wealth and social hierarchy? Hell, just in my short lifetime I've seen:

A. 2996 Americans murdered so the response was to start a 19 year war which continues today, borrow trillions from future generations, funnel that money to the energy sector and military industrial complex, and proceed to kill hundreds of thousands of Arabs and 6713 Americans.

B. A Great Recession - caused by rich bankers - which stole more generational wealth from minorities than any other event in US history, setting back the economic progress experienced by blacks to before segregation. Our response was to bail out bankers and corporations.

C. Allow a virus to kill 118,000 people and put even more in medical debt because we value money before life. All that as we borrowed and funneled even more money to the elite and corporations while small businesses and individuals got f*cked.

D. The rise of privatized prison systems which lobby for police militarization and encourage the arrests of people (often easy targets like the poor) so they can fill their coffers and send money to a handful of people and investors. Same for private detentions centers.

And that's besides the institutionalization of debt and privatization of healthcare, forcing individuals and families to make life and death decisions based on the money and medical treatments available to them.

Violence takes place in many forms. Just because it's slow or you can't see it, it doesn't mean it isn't as cruel if not crueler.

I'm not an anti-capitalist and acknowledge no system is perfect, but Democracy comes first. If society decides it will protect itself from the worse parts of capitalism and socialize other items, that's perfectly fine with me. However, the bigger issue is that we're not even protecting Democracy and much of that is because we've let the free market run amok.

At this point our social and economic philosophies are battling it out: Will we be a nation run by People or corporations?

[CID1990]

Except that specific tank driver showed way more restraint than many of our police officers.



The protestor even climbs the tank and isn't hurt (he'd be dead at that point over here).

Not trivializing the protests in Tienanmen Square as the response was brutal, but that specific driver was pretty damn patient.

And how many times do the police interact with people in general and African Americans in particular without excessive violence on the LEO's part? Why do you damn all LEOs for a small percentage of interactions that go bad? If all LEO's can be damned because of a small number of bad apples then all protesters should be damned for a small number of rioters.

Your response skips over the reality that socialist governments are much more likely to respond with force. People who protest police brutality and advocate for a socialist form of government in the US are either hypocrites, ignorant, or both.

That guy died.

[∞∞∞]

That guy died.

We don't actually know.

First hand accounts said he was never arrested at the protests, the US says he was later found and executed, China says it has no clue who he is, and some news outlets say he left the country. His identify and fate will probably be a mystery for life.

[CID1990]

Except that specific tank driver showed way more restraint than many of our police officers.



The protestor even climbs the tank and isn't hurt (he'd be dead at that point over here).

Not trivializing the protests in Tienanmen Square as the response was brutal, but that specific driver was pretty damn patient.

And how many times do the police interact with people in general and African Americans in particular without excessive violence on the LEO's part? Why do you damn all LEOs for a small percentage of interactions that go bad? If all LEO's can be damned because of a small number of bad apples then all protesters should be damned for a small number of rioters.

Your response skips over the reality that socialist governments are much more likely to respond with force. People who protest police brutality and advocate for a socialist form of government in the US are either hypocrites, ignorant, or both.

I’m just going to skip over the Treep unicorn extravaganza reply he made to you but offer an anecdote

(Bear with me because I’m two bourbons in)

I served for the better part of 20 years as a cop and 13 of those years were on the streets.. in tough neighborhoods.

For the last 7 years of my police career, I personally contributed to the statistic (that people like Treep love to quote) that da police like to stop black people

The precinct I served in for those 13 years was predominantly black. If I SAW a white person it was rare, unless it was 0200 and they were there trying to buy heroin. In fact, in those 13 years, I would say that 99.9% of the people I stopped to investigate were black. And most of the time, it was because they were pointed out to me by a black victim.

I just did not deal with white people where I worked, for the most part.

The FACT is that minority communities are the consumers of about 75% of police services and nearly 95% of those times it is because they are being victimized by people from their same demographic.

BTW Tank Boy from Beijing died that day

[CID1990]

That guy died.

We don't actually know.

First hand accounts said he was never arrested at the protests, the US says he was later found and executed, China says it has no clue who he is, and some news outlets say he left the country. His identify and fate will probably be a mystery for life.

We DO know, you doss cunt

[∞∞∞]

We don't actually know.

First hand accounts said he was never arrested at the protests, the US says he was later found and executed, China says it has no clue who he is, and some news outlets say he left the country. His identify and fate will probably be a mystery for life.

We DO know, you doss cunt

Link his definitive fate then.

It's all over the place and everyone has a story (including yourself but you always pretend to know everything so no surprise).

The only first hand accounts we have is that he wasn't arrested or killed that day.

I don't know why you're arguing this; part of the appeal has always been the mystery to his fate.

[Ibanez]

Are they commies or anarchists? It’s all quite confusing.

Capitol Hill has been like this for decades with the marches, hippies, shitty urban gardens, but great restaurants.

The main difference now is kicking the police out which makes it sort of lefty version of the Bundy Ranch (SD’s people I guess)

Meanwhile all of my Western Washington peeps from Vancouver to Renton to Kirkland to Poulsbo are somehow hanging in there despite these 6 whole blocks of dystopian mayhem.

Agreed.

And let's just call them for what they are: libertarians. Unlike the posers here, the people of the CHAZ actually embody the philosophy to a tee (even if unknowingly). Afterall, anarchy and socialism are main tenants of the philosophy.

Heck, even the ANTIFA flag is based on the Libertarian Socialist flag:

Wait a tic - You're trying to say that these people who are crying out for socialism and are rejecting people based off their different opinions are LIBERTARIANS? The Libertarian ideology can be summed up as "Leave me alone."

I'm not seeing that with this whiny kids who are committing crimes in the name of peace. (i'm referring to the extortion). The SJWs are no better than a school bully.

[kalm]

Except that specific tank driver showed way more restraint than many of our police officers.



The protestor even climbs the tank and isn't hurt (he'd be dead at that point over here).

Not trivializing the protests in Tienanmen Square as the response was brutal, but that specific driver was pretty damn patient.

And how many times do the police interact with people in general and African Americans in particular without excessive violence on the LEO's part? Why do you damn all LEOs for a small percentage of interactions that go bad? If all LEO's can be damned because of a small number of bad apples then all protesters should be damned for a small number of rioters.

Your response skips over the reality that socialist governments are much more likely to respond with force. People who protest police brutality and advocate for a socialist form of government in the US are either hypocrites, ignorant, or both.

What if I just criticize police brutality from home and advocate for a mixed market economy?

[CID1990]

We DO know, you doss cunt

Link his definitive fate then.

It's all over the place and everyone has a story (including yourself but you always pretend to know everything so no surprise).

The only first hand accounts we have is that he wasn't arrested or killed that day.

I don't know why you're arguing this; part of the appeal has always been the mystery to his fate.

Ok

He didn’t die THAT day

He died later in internment

Unlike the other hundreds who did get rolled over by APCs on their bicycles on THAT day

You sure are ready to ascribe innocence to a 70 year imperial dynasty while condemning your own country for sins committed even before the latest Chinese dynasty even existed

sounds totes logical

maybe klam will chime in here within the next post or so and give you some cover


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[∞∞∞]

Did you even read my post?

Not trivializing the protests in Tienanmen Square as the response was brutal.

Obviously it was very bad, but I'm not gonna sit here and pretend capitalism has been all dandelions and roses. A ton of people have been brutalized, sometimes with extreme violence, in order to increase the wealth of a handful of people. Others suffer a slow fate.

No system is perfect and we should strive to better what we have, but we can't do it if people ignore reality and look the other way.

[UNI88]

Did you even read my post?

Not trivializing the protests in Tienanmen Square as the response was brutal.

Obviously it was very bad, but I'm not gonna sit here and pretend capitalism has been all dandelions and roses. A ton of people have been brutalized, sometimes with extreme violence, in order to increase the wealth of a handful of people. Others suffer a slow fate.

No system is perfect and we should strive to better what we have, but we can't do it if people ignore reality and look the other way.

You focus on the negatives and skip over the many positives that capitalism and our form of government have helped to make happen - the opportunities, free-thinking, technological advancements, etc. Where would we be today if the US wasn't a capitalist republic? Would Nazi Germany have been defeated? Would we have the internet? What about many of the advancements in medicine?

I don't believe the evils with our economy and society are mostly due to capitalism, I think the evils you decry are partly due to the cabal between crony capitalism and big statist government. Pardon me if I don't think more government is the answer especially when I look at the track record of nations with governments similar to the ones that you espouse.

[Baldy]

Agreed.

And let's just call them for what they are: libertarians. Unlike the posers here, the people of the CHAZ actually embody the philosophy to a tee (even if unknowingly). Afterall, anarchy and socialism are main tenants of the philosophy.

Heck, even the ANTIFA flag is based on the Libertarian Socialist flag:

Wait a tic - You're trying to say that these people who are crying out for socialism and are rejecting people based off their different opinions are LIBERTARIANS? The Libertarian ideology can be summed up as "Leave me alone."

I'm not seeing that with this whiny kids who are committing crimes in the name of peace. (i'm referring to the extortion). The SJWs are no better than a school bully.

Holy fuck...the Falcons and UGA are now part of Antifa (not surprised about UGAy though).

[∞∞∞]

Did you even read my post?

Not trivializing the protests in Tienanmen Square as the response was brutal.

Obviously it was very bad, but I'm not gonna sit here and pretend capitalism has been all dandelions and roses. A ton of people have been brutalized, sometimes with extreme violence, in order to increase the wealth of a handful of people. Others suffer a slow fate.

No system is perfect and we should strive to better what we have, but we can't do it if people ignore reality and look the other way.

You focus on the negatives and skip over the many positives that capitalism and our form of government have helped to make happen - the opportunities, free-thinking, technological advancements, etc. Where would we be today if the US wasn't a capitalist republic? Would Nazi Germany have been defeated? Would we have the internet? What about many of the advancements in medicine?

I don't believe the evils with our economy and society are mostly due to capitalism, I think the evils you decry are partly due to the cabal between crony capitalism and big statist government. Pardon me if I don't think more government is the answer especially when I look at the track record of nations with governments similar to the ones that you espouse.

The entire point of life is to leave the next generation a better country. The positives are the positives...I acknowledge them.

The negatives are what we MUST focus on. We have to get away from the idea of the infallibility of the free-market; society should have the ability to protect itself from the negatives of capitalism. It should be able to reward itself for being the most productive nation on Earth with better healthcare, better education, better...whatever. Otherwise the wealth gap will continue to rise and the voices of the rich will continue to matter more than any other. This is supposed to be a Democracy, not a Corporatocracy. The more we get away from the former and inch towards the latter, the tougher it will get to fix the issues. We've already seen the cracks for a while now.

The only vehicle common men have for protection is government, or revolution.

[Baldy]

You focus on the negatives and skip over the many positives that capitalism and our form of government have helped to make happen - the opportunities, free-thinking, technological advancements, etc. Where would we be today if the US wasn't a capitalist republic? Would Nazi Germany have been defeated? Would we have the internet? What about many of the advancements in medicine?

I don't believe the evils with our economy and society are mostly due to capitalism, I think the evils you decry are partly due to the cabal between crony capitalism and big statist government. Pardon me if I don't think more government is the answer especially when I look at the track record of nations with governments similar to the ones that you espouse.

The entire point of life is to leave the next generation a better country. The positives are the positives...I acknowledge them.

The negatives are what we MUST focus on. We have to get away from the idea of the infallibility of the free-market; society should have the ability to protect itself from the negatives of capitalism. It should be able to reward itself for being the most productive nation on Earth with better healthcare, better education, better energy management, etc. Otherwise the wealth gap will continue to rise and the voices of the rich will continue to matter more than anyone else's. This is supposed to be a Democracy, not a Corporatocracy.

That vehicle for protection is government. The people are the government.

"infallibility of the free-market"

It's extremely difficult to take anyone like you serious when they don't understand how the free market works.

[AZGrizFan]

Did you even read my post?

Not trivializing the protests in Tienanmen Square as the response was brutal.

Obviously it was very bad, but I'm not gonna sit here and pretend capitalism has been all dandelions and roses. A ton of people have been brutalized, sometimes with extreme violence, in order to increase the wealth of a handful of people. Others suffer a slow fate.

No system is perfect and we should strive to better what we have, but we can't do it if people ignore reality and look the other way.

Capitalism sucks so bad that the poor here are some of the wealthiest people on earth.