Coronavirus COVID-19

[UNI88]

Isn't religion protected? Why is ok for the government to infringe upon person's religious rights but not their right to protest.

Can you cite an example? Hard to follow each state or localities laws.

But, I believe most limit the size of indoor public gatherings (10, 50, 50% capacity, etc.) which applies to churches.

I don't think that's infringing on rights, just as I don't think occupancy laws for fire safety were pre-Covid.

If my religion requires in-person service, then the limits on indoor gatherings is infringing on my practice of my religion. What takes precedence? The Constitution or a governor's order? I think the religious leaders requiring in-person worship rather than finding alternatives (Zoom, in your car in the parking lot, etc.) are fools but their right to be fools is protected.

I believe States were also limiting the size of outdoor gatherings but made an exception for protests. Why are protests of greater importance than religious worship? It's hypocritical.

[UNI88]

The right to gather for protests is protected. The right to gather for sports is not protected.

Well then public health isn’t an overarching priority, I guess

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It's a matter of convenience. Public health is important except when it isn't.

[Skjellyfetti]

If my religion requires in-person service, then the limits on indoor gatherings is infringing on my practice of my religion. What takes precedence? The Constitution or a governor's order? I think the religious leaders requiring in-person worship rather than finding alternatives (Zoom, in your car in the parking lot, etc.) are fools but their right to be fools is protected.

Do you think churches should be exempt from occupancy regulations related to fire safety?

[HI54UNI]

If my religion requires in-person service, then the limits on indoor gatherings is infringing on my practice of my religion. What takes precedence? The Constitution or a governor's order? I think the religious leaders requiring in-person worship rather than finding alternatives (Zoom, in your car in the parking lot, etc.) are fools but their right to be fools is protected.

Do you think churches should be exempt from occupancy regulations related to fire safety?

Reasonable regulation is different than outright prohibition.

[HI54UNI]

Questions raised after fatal motorcycle crash listed as COVID-19 death

ORLANDO, Fla. - A person who died in a motorcycle accident was added to Florida’s COVID-19 death count, according to a state health official.

FOX 35 News found this out after asking Orange County Health Officer Dr. Raul Pino whether two coronavirus victims who were in their 20s had any underlying conditions. One of his answers surprised us.

“The first one didn’t have any. He died in a motorcycle accident,” Pino said.

Dr. Pino was asked if the man’s data was removed.

“I don’t think so. I have to double-check,” Pino said. “We were arguing, discussing, or trying to argue with the state. Not because of the numbers -- it’s 100…it doesn’t make any difference if it's 99 -- but the fact that the individual didn’t die from COVID-19…died in the crash. But you could actually argue that it could have been the COVID-19 that caused him to crash. I don’t know the conclusion of that one.”

https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/fox-3 ... d-19-death

I agree with the only one death out of a 100 comment but why would you say the underlined part?

[BDKJMU]

300 labs in Florida fudging the #s..
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/coronaviru ... story.html

[kalm]

Well then public health isn’t an overarching priority, I guess

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It's a matter of convenience. Public health is important except when it isn't.

The protests were a mistake. That doesn’t mean that we should have other unnecessary social gatherings now.

[GannonFan]

It's a matter of convenience. Public health is important except when it isn't.

The protests were a mistake. That doesn’t mean that we should have other unnecessary social gatherings now.

As we've known since April - wear masks whenever you're around others, when you can't (say when eating or drinking) stay 6ft apart, wash your hands, and clean surfaces regularly. None of this is difficult and a consistent message from April would've been very useful. Confusing messaging, or even no messaging, and inconsistent messaging over 50+ entities (federal and state as well as local), coupled with people's general distrust in many elected officials, has made this a cluster. But that's why were America.

[HI54UNI]

Iowa Gov. announced today that kids have to be back in school at a minimum of 50% time. Schools wanting a waiver to the 50% rule can apply to the state Department of Education. Unsaid but reading between the lines - unless you have an outbreak in your school/community/county you aren't getting a waiver.

[UNI88]

The protests were a mistake. That doesn’t mean that we should have other unnecessary social gatherings now.

As we've known since April - wear masks whenever you're around others, when you can't (say when eating or drinking) stay 6ft apart, wash your hands, and clean surfaces regularly. None of this is difficult and a consistent message from April would've been very useful. Confusing messaging, or even no messaging, and inconsistent messaging over 50+ entities (federal and state as well as local), coupled with people's general distrust in many elected officials, has made this a cluster. But that's why were America.

Ganny nails it.

We shouldn't have unnecessary social gatherings now but the officials that allowed the protests lost credibility and now look like hypocrites when attempting to restrict gatherings or require masks (see DeBlasio, Bill). Their actions encouraged the naysayers who are blaming the current spike on the protests & riots. Leaders also blew it when they started reopening without emphasizing strongly enough that we weren't through this and that while restaurants and stores would be reopening people still need to wear masks and physical distance or things would shut down again. Trump hasn't been the only buffoon to display poor leadership during this pandemic.

[AZGrizFan]

As we've known since April - wear masks whenever you're around others, when you can't (say when eating or drinking) stay 6ft apart, wash your hands, and clean surfaces regularly. None of this is difficult and a consistent message from April would've been very useful. Confusing messaging, or even no messaging, and inconsistent messaging over 50+ entities (federal and state as well as local), coupled with people's general distrust in many elected officials, has made this a cluster. But that's why were America.

Ganny nails it.

We shouldn't have unnecessary social gatherings now but the officials that allowed the protests lost credibility and now look like hypocrites when attempting to restrict gatherings or require masks (see DeBlasio, Bill). Their actions encouraged the naysayers who are blaming the current spike on the protests & riots. Leaders also blew it when they started reopening without emphasizing strongly enough that we weren't through this and that while restaurants and stores would be reopening people still need to wear masks and physical distance or things would shut down again. Trump hasn't been the only buffoon to display poor leadership during this pandemic.

Well, we had five consecutive weeks of no change or decline case/death rates and then riots occur nationwide and miraculously two week later cases and deaths start heading north again so yeah, I’m blaming the current spike on the riots and protests that went On unrestrained for weeks. Things were going absolutely fine before then.

[GannonFan]

As we've known since April - wear masks whenever you're around others, when you can't (say when eating or drinking) stay 6ft apart, wash your hands, and clean surfaces regularly. None of this is difficult and a consistent message from April would've been very useful. Confusing messaging, or even no messaging, and inconsistent messaging over 50+ entities (federal and state as well as local), coupled with people's general distrust in many elected officials, has made this a cluster. But that's why were America.

Ganny nails it.

We shouldn't have unnecessary social gatherings now but the officials that allowed the protests lost credibility and now look like hypocrites when attempting to restrict gatherings or require masks (see DeBlasio, Bill). Their actions encouraged the naysayers who are blaming the current spike on the protests & riots. Leaders also blew it when they started reopening without emphasizing strongly enough that we weren't through this and that while restaurants and stores would be reopening people still need to wear masks and physical distance or things would shut down again. Trump hasn't been the only buffoon to display poor leadership during this pandemic.

Heck, in PA alone, Wolf stong-armed things for too long and lost a good segment of the population who thought he was just exerting power to show that he could. People complained about Walmarts and Home Depots being considered "essential" and open all during the pandemic, but similar stores, but locally owned, weren't allowed to be open. And then he took a long time to open other things up. Heck (this is a double heck post, a rarity), keeping hair salons and barbers closed until the end of June didn't make any sense. When I got my hair cut two weeks ago, the person cutting my hair was wearing a smock, a face mask, and a shield, I was wearing a mask, and they limited the number of people in the business to two people at a time (customers). Why did that need to wait until the end of June when we knew (and we talked about it here in this thread) in April that that's what would be required to operate?

When you don't make good decisions, or when you don't make any decisions at all, people rightfully see it as poor leadership, and it weakens that authority going forward. Wolf went too far in one direction and has seen the push back, other governors or the President went too far in another direction and have seen the impacts to the health of too many people. Not many American politicians got it all right, or even mostly right, in this pandemic and we're suffering as a result. But then again, we're the ones who voted in those folks, on both sides of the aisle.

[GannonFan]

Ganny nails it.

We shouldn't have unnecessary social gatherings now but the officials that allowed the protests lost credibility and now look like hypocrites when attempting to restrict gatherings or require masks (see DeBlasio, Bill). Their actions encouraged the naysayers who are blaming the current spike on the protests & riots. Leaders also blew it when they started reopening without emphasizing strongly enough that we weren't through this and that while restaurants and stores would be reopening people still need to wear masks and physical distance or things would shut down again. Trump hasn't been the only buffoon to display poor leadership during this pandemic.

Well, we had five consecutive weeks of no change or decline case/death rates and then riots occur nationwide and miraculously two week later cases and deaths start heading north again so yeah, I’m blaming the current spike on the riots and protests that went On unrestrained for weeks. Things were going absolutely fine before then.

Of course the protests and riots had an impact. We do a diservice to ourselves not to admit that, and the media shares a lot of the blame for trying to ignore that. It wasn't all just kids heading to bars and deluded patriots refusing to wear masks (although there were certainly plenty of them too). This is all self-inflicted.

[GannonFan]

Iowa Gov. announced today that kids have to be back in school at a minimum of 50% time. Schools wanting a waiver to the 50% rule can apply to the state Department of Education. Unsaid but reading between the lines - unless you have an outbreak in your school/community/county you aren't getting a waiver.

Kids in most of PA are going to be going back to school, barring some crazy upswing. The state and my county are advocating 6 ft social distancing with masks inside, but the 6ft is the ideal where possible, so even if they can't get that perfect (say it's 3-4 ft) they're going to go ahead with it. Most will offer an online option for those who really can't risk it. Too much pressure from the parents and the community not to try this - I don't see how they could pull off online all the time for kids - the kids need the interaction at school with other kids and their teachers and you can't get that even if they did online learning really, really well, and they haven't been able to do it that well to this point.

[Silenoz]

Well, we had five consecutive weeks of no change or decline case/death rates and then riots occur nationwide and miraculously two week later cases and deaths start heading north again so yeah, I’m blaming the current spike on the riots and protests that went On unrestrained for weeks. Things were going absolutely fine before then.

Of course the protests and riots had an impact. We do a diservice to ourselves not to admit that, and the media shares a lot of the blame for trying to ignore that. It wasn't all just kids heading to bars and deluded patriots refusing to wear masks (although there were certainly plenty of them too). This is all self-inflicted.

AZ works in absolutes. And it's always someone else's fault.

Stupid America brought this upon itself by politicizing common sense shit like masks and distancing, and being self-centered across the political spectrum. The protests only helped turbo charge the second spike.

My sister protested, and other family members still refuse to have anything to do with masks or any sort of shutdown or distancing measures. Both blame the other side 100%. That's where we are as a country.

[CID1990]

It's a matter of convenience. Public health is important except when it isn't.

The protests were a mistake. That doesn’t mean that we should have other unnecessary social gatherings now.

Nobody is implying that it means anything other than people should stop being fucking hypocrites in the face of this pandemic.

You can’t support protests AND whine about a lack of social distancing.

[JohnStOnge]

Of course the protests and riots had an impact. We do a diservice to ourselves not to admit that, and the media shares a lot of the blame for trying to ignore that. It wasn't all just kids heading to bars and deluded patriots refusing to wear masks (although there were certainly plenty of them too). This is all self-inflicted.

AZ works in absolutes. And it's always someone else's fault.

Stupid America brought this upon itself by politicizing common sense shit like masks and distancing, and being self-centered across the political spectrum. The protests only helped turbo charge the second spike.

My sister protested, and other family members still refuse to have anything to do with masks or any sort of shutdown or distancing measures. Both blame the other side 100%. That's where we are as a country.

I think form time to time we also need to be reminded that our Dear Leader screwed up by implementing a partial travel restriction then acting like that solved the problem. We need to be reminded that previous assessments indicated that would not work. We need to be reminded that South Korea, at the same time, recognized the potential and set itself up to be ready with testing capacity to do contract tracing and testing early on and tamp the situation down before it got out of hand. We need to be reminded that, due to its approach, South Korea never had to "shut down."

We are having the problems we're having now for many reasons. But one is because we have a President who screwed up royally early on when there was a chance to keep this thing from getting out of hand.

[UNI88]

Ganny nails it.

We shouldn't have unnecessary social gatherings now but the officials that allowed the protests lost credibility and now look like hypocrites when attempting to restrict gatherings or require masks (see DeBlasio, Bill). Their actions encouraged the naysayers who are blaming the current spike on the protests & riots. Leaders also blew it when they started reopening without emphasizing strongly enough that we weren't through this and that while restaurants and stores would be reopening people still need to wear masks and physical distance or things would shut down again. Trump hasn't been the only buffoon to display poor leadership during this pandemic.

Well, we had five consecutive weeks of no change or decline case/death rates and then riots occur nationwide and miraculously two week later cases and deaths start heading north again so yeah, I’m blaming the current spike on the riots and protests that went On unrestrained for weeks. Things were going absolutely fine before then.

Is there a strong correlation between virus hotspots and locations where the protests & riots were the greatest?

Blaming this all on the protests and riots isn't any better than saying they had no impact.Too many people were complacent when things started to reopen and assumed that meant they didn't need to wear masks or physical distance. It might not have happened right away but it was predictable that this was going to contribute to an increase in cases.

Conk and Donk leaders are fvcking this up left and right.

[SDHornet]

Teachers think they should be exempt from financial hardship, which is bullshit. Furlough teachers accordingly.

Also starting to hear it about other government employees. Our county offices have been closed since mid March. They will let people in for appointments for certain things, like driver's license renewal, but a lot of things have to be done online or via mail, like auto registrations or paying property taxes. People are starting to question if we still need as many county employees since they don't have all the wasted time on customer service.

Good. Plenty of gubmint can go for a nice haircut, cutting back on, wait for it, non-essential employees is fine by me.

[SDHornet]

Then they can home school. And trying to get a bunch of 1st graders to keep their masks on all day?

This is one of the many reasons we’ve decided to homeschool. I can see it now - Susy goes home to her SJW parents and say that Bobby took his mask off. Suddenly the school has to deal with an irate parent and the teachers are getting punished. It’s a no-won situation.


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Then SJW parents, or any parents with concern, can keep their kid(s) home and home school. Pro-choice isn't that hard to do.

[SDHornet]

Maybe we could have had college football this fall if people had only worn masks.

We were never having football with the media leading this charge....witness how they’re handling the bumps in TX, FL, GA and AZ compared to how they suck Cuomo’s dick in Times Square, despite the fact he presided over 10x the number of deaths because of his incompetence. You KNEW if things starting going up even slightly the media was gonna be all in on the “2nd wave” bullshit, while simultaneously failing to mention the little things called protests and riots that occurred in the first 10 days of June all across the country. But noooooo, it’s all because these damned red states had the audacity to reopen and people went about their lives. Utter BS. TX began reopening on 5/1. Things were FINE until about 6/15, miraculously 15 days after the start of the protests and riots in Houston, Austin, Dallas, San Antonio. Suddenly we see big spikes in new cases but hey, it’s all because a few folks won’t wear masks....god forfucking bid the media call out the protestors and rioters.

This.

Oh and disappointed no one has mentioned the comparison of a mask stopping the virus as to a chain-link fence stopping a mosquito.

[SDHornet]

Protesting and rioting during a pandemic was stupid but that isn't the only problem. The deniers and hoaxers who wouldn't and won't wear a mask and/or insist on gathering in larger groups at beaches, bars, etc. bear a big chunk of the blame too.

Except that shit was going on for six-eight weeks and the trend was just fine.....

Yeah the pivot to this last wave being over masks is bullshit. It's nothing but cover for the protests that sparked the increase.

[SDHornet]

The right to gather for protests is protected. The right to gather for sports is not protected.

Isn't religion protected? Why is ok for the government to infringe upon person's religious rights but not their right to protest.

Note: I think a religious leader asking his/her followers to congregate for a service during a pandemic is selfish and stupid. Of course, I think the same of protest leaders.

[SDHornet]

AZ works in absolutes. And it's always someone else's fault.

Stupid America brought this upon itself by politicizing common sense shit like masks and distancing, and being self-centered across the political spectrum. The protests only helped turbo charge the second spike.

My sister protested, and other family members still refuse to have anything to do with masks or any sort of shutdown or distancing measures. Both blame the other side 100%. That's where we are as a country.

I think form time to time we also need to be reminded that our Dear Leader screwed up by implementing a partial travel restriction then acting like that solved the problem. We need to be reminded that previous assessments indicated that would not work. We need to be reminded that South Korea, at the same time, recognized the potential and set itself up to be ready with testing capacity to do contract tracing and testing early on and tamp the situation down before it got out of hand. We need to be reminded that, due to its approach, South Korea never had to "shut down."

We are having the problems we're having now for many reasons. But one is because we have a President who screwed up royally early on when there was a chance to keep this thing from getting out of hand.

Was this the same travel ban that Leftist are for before being against it? Asking for a friend.

[SDHornet]

If anybody needed a lol: