Disgraceful

[CitadelGrad]

I'm so glad Biden has been able to repair relations with allies, as he promised.

[AZGrizFan]

To you he was lesser of two evils. You were wrong. Do better research.

The devil you know (Biden) vs the devil you don’t know (Trump).

I thought Biden was the lesser of two weevils

I almost typed that. Just for M&C fans.

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[93henfan]

Hah. Another disgruntled Biden voter.

[BDKJMU]

How in the world can those two risks be determined to be the same? One is an unprotectable airport in the middle of an out of control city of 4.7 million….the other is a dual runway airbase in the middle of our largest military presence in the country.

More retardation. Milley needs to GO. He’s an embarrassment.

So Milley is ANOTHER example of Trump putting the wrong people into powerful positions? Another example of Trumps inablity to identify quality personnel? I thought he was going to be surrounded by the best people.


Gee...thanks Trump!!!



From what i've read and heard, Milley advocated against pulling out and was ignored by Biden.

The nation’s top general declined on Sunday to endorse either of the sudden announcements on Afghan troop withdrawals that came out of the White House last week.

The nation’s top general declined on Sunday to endorse either of the sudden announcements on Afghan troop withdrawals that came out of the White House last week.

By LARA SELIGMAN, ANDREW DESIDERIO, NATASHA BERTRAND and NAHAL TOOSI

04/14/2021 04:45 PM EDT

Updated: 04/15/2021 07:43 AM EDT

The military spent more than a decade urging three different American presidents to stay in Afghanistan. With President Joe Biden’s decision this week to withdraw all U.S. forces by Sept. 11, they finally lost the battle.

“We cannot continue this cycle of extending or expanding our military presence in Afghanistan, hoping to create ideal conditions for the withdrawal and expecting a different result,” Biden said Wednesday in a speech announcing the decision. “I'm now the fourth United States president to preside over American troop presence in Afghanistan. Two Republicans, two Democrats. I will not pass this responsibility on to a fifth.”

As Biden weighed a full exit from the country this spring, top military leaders advocated for keeping a small U.S. presence on the ground made up primarily of special operations forces and paramilitary advisers, arguing that a force of a few thousand troops was needed to keep the Taliban in check and prevent Afghanistan from once again becoming a haven for terrorists, according to nine former and current U.S. officials familiar with the discussions.

Gen. Mark Milley, chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, as well as the four-star commanders of U.S. Forces-Afghanistan, Central Command and Special Operations Command, were emphatic proponents of this strategy, the current and former officials said, some of whom spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive planning.

For nearly two decades, U.S. presidents have followed the advice of top military leaders and kept troops in Afghanistan. But last week President Biden ovverode the brass and announced a complete withdrawal.

But in the end, Biden and his top national security deputies did what no previous president has done successfully — they overrode the brass.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/1 ... tan-481556


I think some historical context is fitting - Biden overrode the experts.

But Milley also said beforehand the same stupidity Biden said- the not inevitable & not a foregone conclusion. For saying that alone he should be shitcanned..

[AZGrizFan]

So Milley is ANOTHER example of Trump putting the wrong people into powerful positions? Another example of Trumps inablity to identify quality personnel? I thought he was going to be surrounded by the best people.


Gee...thanks Trump!!!



From what i've read and heard, Milley advocated against pulling out and was ignored by Biden.

The nation’s top general declined on Sunday to endorse either of the sudden announcements on Afghan troop withdrawals that came out of the White House last week.


https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/1 ... tan-481556


I think some historical context is fitting - Biden overrode the experts.

But Milley also said beforehand the same stupidity Biden said- the not inevitable & not a foregone conclusion. For saying that alone he should be shitcanned..

That and focusing on wokeness and transgender troops and 1619 and diversity training instead of what he’s fucking paid to do.

[Ivytalk]

Hah. Another disgruntled Biden voter.

“Jimmy Carter on acid” is a good line. And Wendy Sherman has no business holding any foreign affairs job. She should have been a buyer for Macy’s.

[houndawg]

...both true, but that doesn't absolve him. I talked to a troop years ago, like 8-9 years ago who said back then that the Afghan Army was mostly guys who would take their weapon and defect at the first opportunity. These people acting surprised that they collapsed so fast....

It was a surprise to the CIC and anyone else that willingly ignored/denied the intel briefings.

Like I said, 100% on Biden*.

That would have to be somebody that wasn't cut out of the intelligence loop during the transition.

[houndawg]

If you're an American citizen, why would you wait until the last minute to try and leave Kabul? The signs that this was coming were there as provinces and cities started falling in May. Did they believe that the US government would get them out?

Profits?

[CAA Flagship]

If you're an American citizen, why would you wait until the last minute to try and leave Kabul? The signs that this was coming were there as provinces and cities started falling in May. Did they believe that the US government would get them out?

Profits?

Maybe. I'm trying to figure out why anyone would go there in the first place.

[Ibanez]

So Milley is ANOTHER example of Trump putting the wrong people into powerful positions? Another example of Trumps inablity to identify quality personnel? I thought he was going to be surrounded by the best people.


Gee...thanks Trump!!!



From what i've read and heard, Milley advocated against pulling out and was ignored by Biden.

The nation’s top general declined on Sunday to endorse either of the sudden announcements on Afghan troop withdrawals that came out of the White House last week.


https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/1 ... tan-481556


I think some historical context is fitting - Biden overrode the experts.

But Milley also said beforehand the same stupidity Biden said- the not inevitable & not a foregone conclusion. For saying that alone he should be shitcanned..

And those are relative points. I still think the Generals were overruled and had their hands tied behind their backs.

The problem isn't Gen. Milley, per se. It's Biden. If Biden is going to overrule the brass here...he's going to do it again with a new set of advisors and generals. So...before kicking them to the curb let's find the REAL problem...and something tells me it's not solely on the military and Intel communities...their CiC is ordering bad decisions. I think you can pretty much agree to that.

[Ibanez]

Profits?

Maybe. I'm trying to figure out why anyone would go there in the first place.

They have this AMAZING Halal food cart that has the best hummus....

[Col Hogan]

[CitadelGrad]

Hah. Another disgruntled Biden voter.

“Jimmy Carter on acid” is a good line. And Wendy Sherman has no business holding any foreign affairs job. She should have been a buyer for Macy’s.

During the Dem primaries, Meghan McCain was touting Biden's tremendous foreign affairs and crisis management abilities.

Fuck her.

[SeattleGriz]

Maybe those with a better understanding can help me with what Lara Logan is saying here, as it makes a lot of sense. Am I being bamboozled with what she is saying? It's a 7:41 long clip.

[SuperHornet]

Are you expecting a TL/DR response, SG?

ROFL....

[SDHornet]

It was a surprise to the CIC and anyone else that willingly ignored/denied the intel briefings.

Like I said, 100% on Biden*.

That would have to be somebody that wasn't cut out of the intelligence loop during the transition.

Nice weak ass "but Trump" attempt. There have been numerous article now on how the intel/military folks gave plenty of warnings of what was going on on the ground wrt Taliban gains. Biden* trudged on regardless.

[SDHornet]

[SDHornet]

Hah. Another disgruntled Biden voter.

Isn't it great how the JSO conservatives are the ones that are most surprised by this.

Biden* and his voters are 100% to blame for this disaster.

[Ibanez]

That would have to be somebody that wasn't cut out of the intelligence loop during the transition.

Nice weak ass "but Trump" attempt. There have been numerous article now on how the intel/military folks gave plenty of warnings of what was going on on the ground wrt Taliban gains. Biden* trudged on regardless.

Biden ignored and overruled....

[SDHornet]

[UNI88]

That would have to be somebody that wasn't cut out of the intelligence loop during the transition.

Nice weak ass "but Trump" attempt. There have been numerous article now on how the intel/military folks gave plenty of warnings of what was going on on the ground wrt Taliban gains. Biden* trudged on regardless.

Maybe if this had happened in January or February but Biden had plenty of time to get up to speed. He own's it.

[GannonFan]

Profits?

Maybe. I'm trying to figure out why anyone would go there in the first place.

Well, there are American citizens who are of Afghan heritage - you could very easily have folks in Afghanistan who are from there originally but are American citizens now.

[SeattleGriz]

Are you expecting a TL/DR response, SG?

ROFL....

No. She's basically saying that what is happening in Afghanistan was allowed to happen. Powers that be are for some reason allowing this to all happen.

[SeattleGriz]

[SeattleGriz]