Coronavirus COVID-19

[AZGrizFan]

Nor is obesity. Yet its rampant. It’s not about being contagious (but you already knew that). It’s about being made/held personally responsible for the health and safety of all others in our communities, when the aren’t willing to take the steps necessary in their OWN lives to improve their odds of survival. Don’t make me kalm-Splain this any deeper.

Please…z-splain it better.

Meanwhile, courtesy of a friend:

“My dog is a complete idiot, he wants to go to doggie day care and the annual swim at Mission Park Pool. Both activities require vaccines, to protect other dogs from, parvo, worms, distemper and other dog related deadly diseases. My dog complains about his freedoms being removed/restricted, just to make other dogs and their owners feel comfortable. I told him he was being a selfish,asshole, he mumbled something about it being against his religion. ( I've never seen him go to church or pray) Please people try to be smarter than my dog.”

Fucking freedom dogs…

You lost me at “My”. The dog has no freedoms.

Oh, and your friend sounds like a tool.

[kalm]

Please…z-splain it better.

Meanwhile, courtesy of a friend:

“My dog is a complete idiot, he wants to go to doggie day care and the annual swim at Mission Park Pool. Both activities require vaccines, to protect other dogs from, parvo, worms, distemper and other dog related deadly diseases. My dog complains about his freedoms being removed/restricted, just to make other dogs and their owners feel comfortable. I told him he was being a selfish,asshole, he mumbled something about it being against his religion. ( I've never seen him go to church or pray) Please people try to be smarter than my dog.”

Fucking freedom dogs…

Is there a 99.95% chance the dogs will be okay? Are the doggie vaccines sterilizing? Silly analogy.

It’s as silly as fighting science and vaccine/mask avoidance.

[kalm]

Some possible good news…

“This tiny study made little impression at the time. In the ’80s and ’90s, coronaviruses still belonged to the backwater of viral research, because the colds they caused seemed trivial in the grand scheme of human health. Then, in the spring of 2020, scientists urgently searching for clues to immunity against a novel coronavirus rediscovered this decades-old research. Before the emergence of SARS-CoV-2, which causes COVID-19, only four known coronaviruses were circulating among humans, including 229E. All four of these coronaviruses cause common colds, and in the most optimistic scenario, experts have told me, our newest coronavirus will end up as the fifth. In that case, COVID-19 might look a lot like a cold from 229E—recurrent but largely unremarkable.

That future may be hard to imagine with intensive-care units filling up yet again during this Delta surge. But the pandemic will end. One way or another, it will end. The current spikes in cases and deaths are the result of a novel coronavirus meeting naive immune systems. When enough people have gained some immunity through either vaccination or infection—preferably vaccination—the coronavirus will transition to what epidemiologists call “endemic.” It won’t be eliminated, but it won’t upend our lives anymore.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc ... 4aK9OhC-dQ

[SeattleGriz]

Is there a 99.95% chance the dogs will be okay? Are the doggie vaccines sterilizing? Silly analogy.

It’s as silly as fighting science and vaccine/mask avoidance.

What science are you talking about? How about specifics and not generalities? Anyone who understands the science of pandemics knows we allowed this whole thing to be politicized and are NOT following the science as we should.

[kalm]

It’s as silly as fighting science and vaccine/mask avoidance.

What science are you talking about? How about specifics and not generalities? Anyone who understands the science of pandemics knows we allowed this whole thing to be politicized and are NOT following the science as we should.

It’s like the global warming debate…when zero scientific organizations support the deniers…for decades.

[SeattleGriz]

What science are you talking about? How about specifics and not generalities? Anyone who understands the science of pandemics knows we allowed this whole thing to be politicized and are NOT following the science as we should.

It’s like the global warming debate…when zero scientific organizations support the deniers…for decades.

Ah. The old scientific org canard. Have you not been paying attention to the money? You see how fast the scientists and orgs changed their tunes when Fauci jerked their chains for supporting the lab leak theory?

[SeattleGriz]

Some possible good news…

“This tiny study made little impression at the time. In the ’80s and ’90s, coronaviruses still belonged to the backwater of viral research, because the colds they caused seemed trivial in the grand scheme of human health. Then, in the spring of 2020, scientists urgently searching for clues to immunity against a novel coronavirus rediscovered this decades-old research. Before the emergence of SARS-CoV-2, which causes COVID-19, only four known coronaviruses were circulating among humans, including 229E. All four of these coronaviruses cause common colds, and in the most optimistic scenario, experts have told me, our newest coronavirus will end up as the fifth. In that case, COVID-19 might look a lot like a cold from 229E—recurrent but largely unremarkable.

That future may be hard to imagine with intensive-care units filling up yet again during this Delta surge. But the pandemic will end. One way or another, it will end. The current spikes in cases and deaths are the result of a novel coronavirus meeting naive immune systems. When enough people have gained some immunity through either vaccination or infection—preferably vaccination—the coronavirus will transition to what epidemiologists call “endemic.” It won’t be eliminated, but it won’t upend our lives anymore.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc ... 4aK9OhC-dQ

Cid said this long ago, as did I. Old news. It's also called the history of pandemics as we know it.

[AZGrizFan]

Is there a 99.95% chance the dogs will be okay? Are the doggie vaccines sterilizing? Silly analogy.

It’s as silly as fighting science and vaccine/mask avoidance.

The same people who insist we “following the science” are claiming there’s 456 different genders and men can have periods and babies. It gets confusing as to when we’re supposed to “follow the science” and when we’re apparently supposed to just ignore 4 billion years of evolution.

[SeattleGriz]

Is there a 99.95% chance the dogs will be okay? Are the doggie vaccines sterilizing? Silly analogy.

It’s as silly as fighting science and vaccine/mask avoidance.

By the way. I know you are a big boy, but I'm not trying to be a dick on this whole topic. I've admitted many times on this board that I need to do a better job with emojis to help out my tone. I'm really not as serious as I sound.

[SDHornet]

See SGs response above. Somehow these people are still getting it even while vaxxed. Is related to the vax? Who knows, but it's being transmitted some how.

Huh? I think you're really making a reach that the vaccination itself is what gives people COVID. That just sounds crazy.

People who are vaccinated are not 100% immune from getting the virus. No one has ever made that claim at any point in this process. That there are breakthrough cases of COVID is not surprising in the least, it was always predicted. Even at it's best, the Pfizer vaccine was supposed to be 90%-95% effective. That means 5% of people who got the vaccination would still get COVID. And since the potency appears to be waning, a higher percentage are getting it. But it does appear to significantly cut the chances of being hospitalized or dying from it. The data looks pretty clear in that regard.

No but the narratives was always "we can't go back to normal until the vax" which of course followed "2 weeks to flatten the curve". Well that was a lie, and now the CDC is saying the vax is less effective against the delta variant and now everyone needs booster shots. More goalpost moving, more bullshit from the "experts". Virus is gonna virus and everyone just needs to learn how to deal/live with this, vax or no vax.

[SDHornet]

CNN in print = NY Times

Not sure why it matters. Restaurant tables are covid-free zones anyways.

[SDHornet]

Well for starters, Big Mac’s aren’t contagious.

Nor is obesity. Yet its rampant. It’s not about being contagious (but you already knew that). It’s about being made/held personally responsible for the health and safety of all others in our communities, when the aren’t willing to take the steps necessary in their OWN lives to improve their odds of survival. Don’t make me kalm-Splain this any deeper.

This. Yet people are butt hurt about those that don't want a jab.

[SeattleGriz]

Everyone stop speaking English!

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisonesca ... 45d5226eea

New research suggests that English speakers put more droplets into the air when they talk, which may make them more likely to spread COVID-19. Since the novel coronavirus is spread by droplets, how spitty a language is might contribute to different rates of the disease. It all comes down to something called aspirated consonants, the sounds we make that spray more droplets of saliva into the air.

[89Hen]

They've obviously never heard a Bar-thhhhhhelllll-ona accent.

[SeattleGriz]

Has anyone on this board had a confirmed COVID infection that was unvaccinated at the time? Long thread to read through.

If you have, did it stand out as unique? I'm asking because vi just read an article in which the guy thought he had it, but had not. When he really did get it, he saw how uniquely different it was.

[CID1990]

While I'm in the camp of believing we can't and won't ever eradicate this (this type of virus just doesn't lend itself to be eradicated - common cold has been with us for millennia, we just learn to live with it), I still think we need to give people the vaccines before we just expose everyone. There's a big difference between being exposed after being vaccinated and being exposed without being vaccinated. I'm fine with letting the chips fall where they may after we give everyone (even those under 12) a vaccine that gives them a very good chance to handle the virus if they get exposed.

Honest question, is there anyone that wants it that can't get it at this point? I think we are more than read to move into the "let the chips fall where they may" part of this pandemic.

Exactly this ^^^^

Anybody in this country who wants the vaccine already has it

In the US, this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated. Period. Breakthrough infections are so statistically rare as to be un reportable (even though they get a lot of media attention)

At this point I have zero sympathy for the unvaccinated. Zero.


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[CID1990]

Everyone stop speaking English!

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisonesca ... 45d5226eea

New research suggests that English speakers put more droplets into the air when they talk, which may make them more likely to spread COVID-19. Since the novel coronavirus is spread by droplets, how spitty a language is might contribute to different rates of the disease. It all comes down to something called aspirated consonants, the sounds we make that spray more droplets of saliva into the air.

That’s utter bullshit

Everybody knows that Arabic and German puts more spittle in the air than any others

Forbes is stupid


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[SeattleGriz]

Everyone stop speaking English!

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisonesca ... 45d5226eea

That’s utter bullshit

Everybody knows that Arabic and German puts more spittle in the air than any others

Forbes is stupid


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The best part is when you go to the story, they have the author's profile, and in it, she has 'Science' as her focus. Different color than the rest so it stands out.

[CID1990]

That’s utter bullshit

Everybody knows that Arabic and German puts more spittle in the air than any others

Forbes is stupid


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The best part is when you go to the story, they have the author's profile, and in it, she has 'Science' as her focus. Different color than the rest so it stands out.

Arabic, Dari, Urdu, Amharic, Pashto ...

All of these languages have vowels where you literally hawk loogeys into the air

Might as well go after Chinese opera


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[Winterborn]

Has anyone on this board had a confirmed COVID infection that was unvaccinated at the time? Long thread to read through.

If you have, did it stand out as unique? I'm asking because vi just read an article in which the guy thought he had it, but had not. When he really did get it, he saw how uniquely different it was.

Not really what you are looking for but I can give you a partial anecdotal situation.

Seven family members have. Nothing worse than being tired for a couple of days and loosing sense of smell for 3 weeks at the longest. Ages range from 3 to late 60's (all in very good health). All came down with it within about 3 weeks last November and while they did not get tested, due to the lack of smell we are pretty sure they had it. Not being able to smell de-greaser is a pretty good key.

[Winterborn]

Honest question, is there anyone that wants it that can't get it at this point? I think we are more than read to move into the "let the chips fall where they may" part of this pandemic.

Exactly this ^^^^

Anybody in this country who wants the vaccine already has it

In the US, this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated. Period. Breakthrough infections are so statistically rare as to be un reportable (even though they get a lot of media attention)

At this point I have zero sympathy for the unvaccinated. Zero.


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I am in the same boat and so is my unvaxed family members. They have all had it, and are perfectly comfortable not getting the vaccine at this time. They ask for none, nor do they want anybody's sympathy.

Or being preached at for that matter.

[JohnStOnge]

Huh? I think you're really making a reach that the vaccination itself is what gives people COVID. That just sounds crazy.

People who are vaccinated are not 100% immune from getting the virus. No one has ever made that claim at any point in this process. That there are breakthrough cases of COVID is not surprising in the least, it was always predicted. Even at it's best, the Pfizer vaccine was supposed to be 90%-95% effective. That means 5% of people who got the vaccination would still get COVID. And since the potency appears to be waning, a higher percentage are getting it. But it does appear to significantly cut the chances of being hospitalized or dying from it. The data looks pretty clear in that regard.

No but the narratives was always "we can't go back to normal until the vax" which of course followed "2 weeks to flatten the curve". Well that was a lie, and now the CDC is saying the vax is less effective against the delta variant and now everyone needs booster shots. More goalpost moving, more bullshit from the "experts". Virus is gonna virus and everyone just needs to learn how to deal/live with this, vax or no vax.

The goalposts are not moving with respect to the vaccine. It has always been the case that a possibility of needing additional shots at some point was recognized. That was the case before we had the Delta variant.

It is quite possible that we could be pretty much back to normal right now if public health officials could have found a way to convince everyone to get vaccinated so that we had a high vaccination rate. Even now the overall United States has only about 51% of people eligible fully vaccinated. That is not enough. Nobody ever claimed that a 51% vaccination rate would stop the pandemic. I think what you are looking for is something like at least 70%. Or it may be higher. For measles, for instance, it needs to be like 94%.

The bottom line is that vaccination has no chance to work in terms of stopping the epidemic in the United States when there are so many idiots refusing to get vaccinated. If everybody who could have gotten vaccinated would have as soon as they could we wouldn't be in this place right now, Delta variant or no Delta variant.

[Gil Dobie]

No but the narratives was always "we can't go back to normal until the vax" which of course followed "2 weeks to flatten the curve". Well that was a lie, and now the CDC is saying the vax is less effective against the delta variant and now everyone needs booster shots. More goalpost moving, more bullshit from the "experts". Virus is gonna virus and everyone just needs to learn how to deal/live with this, vax or no vax.

The goalposts are not moving with respect to the vaccine. It has always been the case that a possibility of needing additional shots at some point was recognized. That was the case before we had the Delta variant.

It is quite possible that we could be pretty much back to normal right now if public health officials could have found a way to convince everyone to get vaccinated so that we had a high vaccination rate. Even now the overall United States has only about 51% of people eligible fully vaccinated. That is not enough. Nobody ever claimed that a 51% vaccination rate would stop the pandemic. I think what you are looking for is something like at least 70%. Or it may be higher. For measles, for instance, it needs to be like 94%.

The bottom line is that vaccination has no chance to work in terms of stopping the epidemic in the United States when there are so many idiots refusing to get vaccinated. If everybody who could have gotten vaccinated would have as soon as they could we wouldn't be in this place right now, Delta variant or no Delta variant.

They are not idiots John, just stubborn and/or going with what they have learned or believe to be right.

I posted this earlier in the thread. It did take multiple doses to get rid or reduce the chances of most of the below diseases.

2 doses of the polio vax is 90% effective. It takes 4 doses to be 100 % immune. Small pox vax works 3-5 years and is 95% effective. I get a Tetanus shot every 10 years. 1 dose of measles vax is 92% effective, 2 doses 97%. It takes 92% of the population to be vaxed to prevent a measles outbreak. I can see more outbreaks of disease in the future of this country because of politics and social media.

[SeattleGriz]

Has anyone on this board had a confirmed COVID infection that was unvaccinated at the time? Long thread to read through.

If you have, did it stand out as unique? I'm asking because vi just read an article in which the guy thought he had it, but had not. When he really did get it, he saw how uniquely different it was.

Not really what you are looking for but I can give you a partial anecdotal situation.

Seven family members have. Nothing worse than being tired for a couple of days and loosing sense of smell for 3 weeks at the longest. Ages range from 3 to late 60's (all in very good health). All came down with it within about 3 weeks last November and while they did not get tested, due to the lack of smell we are pretty sure they had it. Not being able to smell de-greaser is a pretty good key.

Thanks.

I assume my family has had it, as we've had two instances of something tearing through everyone. But as a father, I also know how kids bring regular stuff home and everyone catches it, so it could easily be that as well. No loss of smell for any family members.

I'll ask my Doctor for an Ab test when I go in for my physical in a couple weeks.

[kalm]

Has anyone on this board had a confirmed COVID infection that was unvaccinated at the time? Long thread to read through.

If you have, did it stand out as unique? I'm asking because vi just read an article in which the guy thought he had it, but had not. When he really did get it, he saw how uniquely different it was.

Not in our immediate family but everyone has been cautious too.

Close friend’s entire family got. Sicker than hell for a few weeks with the husband hospitalized and looking 80 years old (he’s 40) at discharge. They are refusing the jab partly because the wife had an allergic type reaction to the disease?

Another close friend still has long hauler’s mental acuity issues after 9 months. His dad got it (very anti-vax) and died from it at age 64. Wife secretly got vaxxed and her case was mild.