Coronavirus COVID-19

[SDHornet]

Out of 75 million, in over a year and a half. No its not.
In the same year & a half time about:
-6,000 kids have died in car accidents (4k+ a year).
-5,000 kids have been killed by firearms (3k+ a year)
-2,000 kids have died of suffocation (1,400 a yr)
-1,500 kids have died of drowning (1,000 a year)
-1,500 kids have died of drug overdose (1,000 a year)
-1,500 kids have died of ‘congenital abnormalities‘ (1,000 a year).
-900 kids have died of heart disease (600 a year)
-500 kids have died of burns (340 a year)

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsr1804754
The China Virus has got a lot of catching up to do..

Another post that completely ignores the fact that children can be vectors. It is not just about how many children die from this particular cause. COVID-19 is obviously a big problem Not just here. It's obvious that such is the case all around the world. This stuff of trying to downplay it is just stupid. We should be doing everything we can to impede circulation. That includes impeding circulation facilitated by children whether COVID-19 is a leading cause of mortality among children or not.

This kind of stuff is why it's legitimate to say that the conservative movement is afflicted by ignorance right now.

If children are vectors, why are teachers in some states not required to get vaxed? What happened to following the science?

[SDHornet]

[Gil Dobie]

The fear, the horror, paranoia strikes deep, into your life it will creep.

[SDHornet]

The fear, the horror, paranoia strikes deep, into your life it will creep.

Denmark and Sweden (remember them?) seems to have the same sentiment I do. They must be scared too...or something...

Sweden and Denmark decided to halt vaccinations with Moderna Inc.’s Covid-19 shot for younger people because of potential side effects.

The Swedish health authority Wednesday cited new data on the increased risk of heart inflammation as a reason for the pause for those aged 30 and under. Denmark will stop giving the shot to those younger than 18.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... 0-or-under

[SDHornet]

Didn't Biden* say he'd get this under control when he became POTUS?

Promises made, promises kept.

[JohnStOnge]

I did a quick and dirty analysis to look at how States are doing in terms of hospitalization rates and vaccination rates. I used the hospitalization rates reported at https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/p ... ust-2.html as of today. Then I used the "fully vaccinated" rates reported as of October 1 that you can get to by going to the Google search at https://www.google.com/search?client=op ... 8&oe=UTF-8. You should see it at the top.

I used October 1 to allow for some delay between when somebody got exposed and when they were hospitalized. Can't see any perfect way to do that. But I used the median incubation period. There should not be much error here as vaccination rates change slowly. For example: Louisiana had a 43.6% fully vaccinated rate on September 15 vs. 45.9% today.

So here is the deal: The coefficient of correlation between State fully vaccinated rate vs. State October 1 hospitalization rate is -0.747 at n = 51 (all States plus DC). The p value associated with that is so small that I can't find an on line calculator to calculate it. There is no way, none, that any reasonable person could look at the data and not think that it's obvious that there is a very strong association such that States with higher vaccination rates tend to have lower hospitalization rates.

Another thing: States that voted for Trump in 2020 averaged 30 hospitalizations per 100,000 residents while States that voted for Biden averaged 17 hospitalizations per 100,000. That difference is significant at 99.9995% confidence.

And...guess what? States that voted for Trump in 2020 tend to have lower vaccination rates. States that voted for Biden average fully vaccinated rate is 60% as of today while States that voted for Trump average vaccination rate is 48.

This is all consistent with the popular view that the Republican Party has come to be dominated by ignorance. The Party of Stupid.

[Gil Dobie]

The fear, the horror, paranoia strikes deep, into your life it will creep.

Denmark and Sweden (remember them?) seems to have the same sentiment I do. They must be scared too...or something...

Sweden and Denmark decided to halt vaccinations with Moderna Inc.’s Covid-19 shot for younger people because of potential side effects.

The Swedish health authority Wednesday cited new data on the increased risk of heart inflammation as a reason for the pause for those aged 30 and under. Denmark will stop giving the shot to those younger than 18.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... 0-or-under

Yes they are, an as I've said before, side-effects within the first few weeks as the article also says.

Another quote from the article:
Also, he said the risk of contracting myocarditis from Covid is much greater than the chances of coming down with the heart condition after getting the vaccine.

[Winterborn]

Just something to keep in mind down the road. Not saying the COVID vaccine is/will be listed here in the future, but one does have to pay attention to the history these companies have in over promotion of their drugs. Article is from Nov of last year.

GlaxoSmithKline (LON:GSK) paid nearly $10 billion in inflation-adjusted financial penalties between January 2003 and December 2016, the highest tally for any drug company, according to research published in JAMA. That sum was more than any other in a sampling of 26 companies paying fines inside the U.S.

Pfizer (NYSE: PFE) was next in line with almost $3 billion in fines.

Johnson & Johnson (NYSE: JNJ) came in the third slot with $2.7 billion in penalties.

“The pharmaceutical industry is unique in that all large pharmaceutical firms explicitly state that they are focused on promoting patient welfare, yet the majority of large pharmaceutical firms engage in illegal activities that harm patient welfare,” said Denis G. Arnold, a coauthor of the study and a professor at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte.

“The industry also has the worst reputation of any industry according to Gallup polling. This is an intriguing problem for anyone interested in business ethics and public health,” Arnold stated.

Spokespeople for the three companies could not be immediately reached for comment.

In all, the 26 pharmaceutical companies paid some $33 billion in fines during the 13-year period. The top 11 alone accounted for $28.8 billion, or 88%, of the total.

https://www.pharmaceuticalprocessingwor ... -to-study/

[SDHornet]

Denmark and Sweden (remember them?) seems to have the same sentiment I do. They must be scared too...or something...


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... 0-or-under

Yes they are, an as I've said before, side-effects within the first few weeks as the article also says.

Another quote from the article:
Also, he said the risk of contracting myocarditis from Covid is much greater than the chances of coming down with the heart condition after getting the vaccine.

Oh, so they'll reverse their decisions wrt vaxxing younger folks soon then.

[SDHornet]

Just something to keep in mind down the road. Not saying the COVID vaccine is/will be listed here in the future, but one does have to pay attention to the history these companies have in over promotion of their drugs. Article is from Nov of last year.

GlaxoSmithKline (LON:GSK) paid nearly $10 billion in inflation-adjusted financial penalties between January 2003 and December 2016, the highest tally for any drug company, according to research published in JAMA. That sum was more than any other in a sampling of 26 companies paying fines inside the U.S.

Pfizer (NYSE: PFE) was next in line with almost $3 billion in fines.

Johnson & Johnson (NYSE: JNJ) came in the third slot with $2.7 billion in penalties.

“The pharmaceutical industry is unique in that all large pharmaceutical firms explicitly state that they are focused on promoting patient welfare, yet the majority of large pharmaceutical firms engage in illegal activities that harm patient welfare,” said Denis G. Arnold, a coauthor of the study and a professor at the University of North Carolina at Charlotte.

“The industry also has the worst reputation of any industry according to Gallup polling. This is an intriguing problem for anyone interested in business ethics and public health,” Arnold stated.

Spokespeople for the three companies could not be immediately reached for comment.

In all, the 26 pharmaceutical companies paid some $33 billion in fines during the 13-year period. The top 11 alone accounted for $28.8 billion, or 88%, of the total.

https://www.pharmaceuticalprocessingwor ... -to-study/

No worries, they can't get sued for the vax. Big Pharma is going to do an extra lap in their money room tonight.

[JohnStOnge]

Didn't Biden* say he'd get this under control when he became POTUS?

Promises made, promises kept.

You need to look at the Worldometers deaths graph for the United States. An awful lot of people died from COVID during and before and immediately after he took office before he had a chance to do anything. The worst period in terms of deaths was clearly right at the end of the Trump Administration. The peak in daily deaths was January 12, 2021.

[SDHornet]

Didn't Biden* say he'd get this under control when he became POTUS?

Promises made, promises kept.

You need to look at the Worldometers deaths graph for the United States. An awful lot of people died from COVID during and before and immediately after he took office before he had a chance to do anything. The worst period in terms of deaths was clearly right at the end of the Trump Administration. The peak in daily deaths was January 12, 2021.

Blood on Bidens* hands. Own it.

[Gil Dobie]

Yes they are, an as I've said before, side-effects within the first few weeks as the article also says.

Another quote from the article:
Also, he said the risk of contracting myocarditis from Covid is much greater than the chances of coming down with the heart condition after getting the vaccine.

Oh, so they'll reverse their decisions wrt vaxxing younger folks soon then.

I didn't say that, just pointing out facts. There is a chance of a known side-effect, nobody is denying that either.

[kalm]

You need to look at the Worldometers deaths graph for the United States. An awful lot of people died from COVID during and before and immediately after he took office before he had a chance to do anything. The worst period in terms of deaths was clearly right at the end of the Trump Administration. The peak in daily deaths was January 12, 2021.

Blood on Bidens* hands. Own it.

Will you own Trump’s mistakes? Or that he helped create a mistrust of of science that still is inflicting way too many today?

[UNI88]

Blood on Bidens* hands. Own it.

Will you own Trump’s mistakes? Or that he helped create a mistrust of of science that still are inflicting way too many today?

Will JSOrangeManBad give Trump credit for anything?

[AZGrizFan]

Didn't Biden* say he'd get this under control when he became POTUS?

Promises made, promises kept.

You need to look at the Worldometers deaths graph for the United States. An awful lot of people died from COVID during and before and immediately after he took office before he had a chance to do anything. The worst period in terms of deaths was clearly right at the end of the Trump Administration. The peak in daily deaths was January 12, 2021.

Read it again. MORE this year than in ALL of 2020.

[BDKJMU]

Another donk admitting masks are worthless:

[Ivytalk]

Another donk admitting masks are worthless:

The biggest fucking coont in The Squat. Rashitta Tlaib (D-Palestine)

[kalm]

You need to look at the Worldometers deaths graph for the United States. An awful lot of people died from COVID during and before and immediately after he took office before he had a chance to do anything. The worst period in terms of deaths was clearly right at the end of the Trump Administration. The peak in daily deaths was January 12, 2021.

Read it again. MORE this year than in ALL of 2020.

Because Covid is date conscious.

[AZGrizFan]

Read it again. MORE this year than in ALL of 2020.

Because Covid is date conscious.

Biden flat out said he was going to FIX this. Just another failure in his long litany of failures in just 9 months.

[Gil Dobie]

Because Covid is date conscious.

Biden flat out said he was going to FIX this. Just another failure in his long litany of failures in just 9 months.

Was Biden lip syncing?

[JohnStOnge]

You need to look at the Worldometers deaths graph for the United States. An awful lot of people died from COVID during and before and immediately after he took office before he had a chance to do anything. The worst period in terms of deaths was clearly right at the end of the Trump Administration. The peak in daily deaths was January 12, 2021.

Blood on Bidens* hands. Own it.

I really shouldn't have to do this, but I will. I'll be using Worldometers data. There were 425,285 deaths through January 19, 2021. As of now, there were 727,710 deaths as of yesterday, 727,710 - 425,285 = 302,425. So, during the outbreak in the US, there were 429,677 deaths before Biden took office and there have been 302,425 deaths after he took office. That's counting inauguration day as "after he took office."

Obviously, a fair assessment would allow for some time after he took office to have Biden's tenure show effects. Let's say we allow even as little as two weeks. Two weeks after January 20 was February 10. As of the end of February 10, there were 496,132 deaths. 727,710 - 496,132 = 231,578.

There is also the fact that a fair assessment would include noting that the starting rate at the beginning of 2020 was low. It was zero. The rate stayed relatively low for a while. There is some question as to whether the first death was in January or in February. But, in any case, the daily death rate didn't really start to crank up until mid to late March. You can see that by looking at the Worldometers graph below.

Also notice that the graph shows that the worst period clearly started during 2020. It peaked just about the time Biden took office. Then it started to decline. I suspect that fact that it started declining right about when Biden took office is coincidence. I don't think it's possible he could have done anything to cause that. But it clearly is not a case where things started getting worse when Biden took office.

That kind of simplistic statement...that there have been more deaths in 2021 so far than there were in all of 2020 as though that means things got worse with Biden... is pretty typical of what conservatives are doing right now. Makes a nice sound bite but it is an effort to create a false impression.

[JohnStOnge]

I'm getting back to this because it's why I did a correlation analysis for State hospitalization rate vs. vaccination rate (percent fully vaccinated). As I posted earlier, there is a very strong negative association between hospitalization rate (hospitalizations per 100,000 population) and vaccination rate. I wrote that the significance level of the association such that hospitalization rate tends to go down as vaccination rate goes up is so high that I can't find an on line calculator that will calculate is. I don't think I mentioned that, in statistical parlance, vaccination rate accounts for more than half of the variation (56%) of the variation in hospitalization rate. That is remarkable.

But it's worse than that for Sexton's apparent position. The specific numbers will change as the page is updated but the numbers I used for the correlation analysis are still up at https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/p ... ust-2.html as I type. And those numbers say that Massachusetts is tied with Vermont for the LOWEST hospitalization rate at 7 per 100,000 population. The average rate is 23.7. The maximum is 59 (West Trump Country Virginia).

So Sexton was apparently trying to call the effectiveness of vaccination into question by mentioning that Massachusetts has a high vaccination rate then providing numbers that actually suggest vaccinations are effective in dramatically reducing risk of hospitalizations in the context of a situation in which there is a strong higher vax/lower hospitalization association among States (plus DC) suggesting the same and Massachusetts is tied for the lowest hospitalization rate in the country.

[kalm]

I'm getting back to this because it's why I did a correlation analysis for State hospitalization rate vs. vaccination rate (percent fully vaccinated). As I posted earlier, there is a very strong negative association between hospitalization rate (hospitalizations per 100,000 population) and vaccination rate. I wrote that the significance level of the association such that hospitalization rate tends to go down as vaccination rate goes up is so high that I can't find an on line calculator that will calculate is. I don't think I mentioned that, in statistical parlance, vaccination rate accounts for more than half of the variation (56%) of the variation in hospitalization rate. That is remarkable.

But it's worse than that for Sexton's apparent position. The specific numbers will change as the page is updated but the numbers I used for the correlation analysis are still up at https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/p ... ust-2.html as I type. And those numbers say that Massachusetts is tied with Vermont for the LOWEST hospitalization rate at 7 per 100,000 population. The average rate is 23.7. The maximum is 59 (West Trump Country Virginia).

So Sexton was apparently trying to call the effectiveness of vaccination into question by mentioning that Massachusetts has a high vaccination rate then providing numbers that actually suggest vaccinations are effective in dramatically reducing risk of hospitalizations in the context of a situation in which there is a strong higher vax/lower hospitalization association among States (plus DC) suggesting the same and Massachusetts is tied for the lowest hospitalization rate in the country.

Great work on both of these JSO. I mean they’re not as sexy as an unsubstantiated two sentence tweet from a political commentary grifter, but….

[GannonFan]

Blood on Bidens* hands. Own it.

Will you own Trump’s mistakes? Or that he helped create a mistrust of of science that still is inflicting way too many today?

Trump can't single handedly take credit for politicizing and causing a mistrust in science - that's giving him way too much credit. Pretty sure we've had plenty of quotes on here by folks on the left, including the presumptive Democratic nominee in 2024, saying that they wouldn't trust a "Trump vaccine" during the leadup to last year's election. And frankly, blindly throwing out the "we'll follow the science" mantras, and only picking the results that tie to whatever political opinion you have at the time while ignoring the science that contradicts other stances you take also has done a marvelous job of causing a mistrust of science.