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[kalm]

Will you own Trump’s mistakes? Or that he helped create a mistrust of of science that still is inflicting way too many today?

Trump can't single handedly take credit for politicizing and causing a mistrust in science - that's giving him way too much credit. Pretty sure we've had plenty of quotes on here by folks on the left, including the presumptive Democratic nominee in 2024, saying that they wouldn't trust a "Trump vaccine" during the leadup to last year's election. And frankly, blindly throwing out the "we'll follow the science" mantras, and only picking the results that tie to whatever political opinion you have at the time while ignoring the science that contradicts other stances you take also has done a marvelous job of causing a mistrust of science.

That’s why I said he “helped”.

Mistrust of institutions is also cyclical so if not Trump the humble masses would have blindly NOT followed science anyway.

Trump didn’t help though.

[GannonFan]

Trump can't single handedly take credit for politicizing and causing a mistrust in science - that's giving him way too much credit. Pretty sure we've had plenty of quotes on here by folks on the left, including the presumptive Democratic nominee in 2024, saying that they wouldn't trust a "Trump vaccine" during the leadup to last year's election. And frankly, blindly throwing out the "we'll follow the science" mantras, and only picking the results that tie to whatever political opinion you have at the time while ignoring the science that contradicts other stances you take also has done a marvelous job of causing a mistrust of science.

That’s why I said he “helped”.

Mistrust of institutions is also cyclical so if not Trump the humble masses would have blindly NOT followed science anyway.

Trump didn’t help though.

Cyclical is an optimistic view of things, I worry that it's a downward spiral. And yes, Trump was just the guy who filled the role, but anyone would've likely took his spot and did a similarly effective job in sowing mistrust.

[Pwns]

The George Floyd demonstrations should have been condemned by public health officials, including really people in the Trump administration. You can't tell people to take it seriously and go nowhere on holidays while giving a pass to those protests and riots.

On top of that, groups like the AMA put out public statements with idiotic dreck about "decolonizing" themselves and other nonsense that just makes them look silly and non-authoritative.

[UNI88]

Sununu calls for removal of GOP lawmaker for spreading vaccine conspiracies

On Monday, New Hampshire House Democrats said Weyler sent the entire Joint Finance Committee a 52-page document titled “The Vaccine Death Report,” which made a series of conspiratorial claims, including that living organisms with tentacles are entering people’s bodies through COVID-19 vaccines, nanotechnology in the vaccines will be used to control people’s thoughts through 5G, and that babies are being born to vaccinated parents with “pitch-black eyes.”

WTF is wrong with people?

[GannonFan]

Sununu calls for removal of GOP lawmaker for spreading vaccine conspiracies

On Monday, New Hampshire House Democrats said Weyler sent the entire Joint Finance Committee a 52-page document titled “The Vaccine Death Report,” which made a series of conspiratorial claims, including that living organisms with tentacles are entering people’s bodies through COVID-19 vaccines, nanotechnology in the vaccines will be used to control people’s thoughts through 5G, and that babies are being born to vaccinated parents with “pitch-black eyes.”

WTF is wrong with people?

Yeah, that dude is apparently whacky - in that 52 page (seriously, 52 pages, that's a crap-load amount of pages) diatribe, he also said this about the Catholic Church...

The document also made a series of bigoted and unfounded claims about the Catholic Church while objecting to Pope Francis’s calls for the faithful to be vaccinated. It claimed that the Church is controlled by multiple popes who operate in the shadows and “are satanists, also called luciferians.”

Frankly, I think New Hampshire just needs to rethink the size of their legislature. They have the 3rd largest democratic body in the world (after the English parliament and the US HOR) - maybe there just aren't enough rational people in New Hampshire to properly fill out such a body. 400 legislators is hard to find if you want them all to be sane and rational, most states can't find enough for state legislatures that are a fraction of that size.

[Ivytalk]

I had even fewer side effects from my Pfizer booster than I had from the second dose, which wasn’t bad at all. A small amount of arm soreness, and that’s it.

[UNI88]

Sununu calls for removal of GOP lawmaker for spreading vaccine conspiracies

WTF is wrong with people?

Yeah, that dude is apparently whacky - in that 52 page (seriously, 52 pages, that's a crap-load amount of pages) diatribe, he also said this about the Catholic Church...

The document also made a series of bigoted and unfounded claims about the Catholic Church while objecting to Pope Francis’s calls for the faithful to be vaccinated. It claimed that the Church is controlled by multiple popes who operate in the shadows and “are satanists, also called luciferians.”

Frankly, I think New Hampshire just needs to rethink the size of their legislature. They have the 3rd largest democratic body in the world (after the English parliament and the US HOR) - maybe there just aren't enough rational people in New Hampshire to properly fill out such a body. 400 legislators is hard to find if you want them all to be sane and rational, most states can't find enough for state legislatures that are a fraction of that size.

That's some Q-level conspiracy BS there and I like to poke fun of the catholic church, notre dame, etc.

The larger the parliamentary body the more unwieldy and the more actually gets done outside of it. People (Trip) might believe that a bigger legislature = more democracy but it's the opposite in many ways.

[AZGrizFan]

I had even fewer side effects from my Pfizer booster than I had from the second dose, which wasn’t bad at all. A small amount of arm soreness, and that’s it.

they're getting you used to it.

[UNI88]

I had even fewer side effects from my Pfizer booster than I had from the second dose, which wasn’t bad at all. A small amount of arm soreness, and that’s it.

Have you felt the tentacles? How is the 5G thought control?

[AZGrizFan]

Sununu calls for removal of GOP lawmaker for spreading vaccine conspiracies



WTF is wrong with people?

Yeah, that dude is apparently whacky - in that 52 page (seriously, 52 pages, that's a crap-load amount of pages) diatribe, he also said this about the Catholic Church...

The document also made a series of bigoted and unfounded claims about the Catholic Church while objecting to Pope Francis’s calls for the faithful to be vaccinated. It claimed that the Church is controlled by multiple popes who operate in the shadows and “are satanists, also called luciferians.”

Frankly, I think New Hampshire just needs to rethink the size of their legislature. They have the 3rd largest democratic body in the world (after the English parliament and the US HOR) - maybe there just aren't enough rational people in New Hampshire to properly fill out such a body. 400 legislators is hard to find if you want them all to be sane and rational, most states can't find enough for state legislatures that are a fraction of that size.

Apparently?

[kalm]

Yeah, that dude is apparently whacky - in that 52 page (seriously, 52 pages, that's a crap-load amount of pages) diatribe, he also said this about the Catholic Church...


Frankly, I think New Hampshire just needs to rethink the size of their legislature. They have the 3rd largest democratic body in the world (after the English parliament and the US HOR) - maybe there just aren't enough rational people in New Hampshire to properly fill out such a body. 400 legislators is hard to find if you want them all to be sane and rational, most states can't find enough for state legislatures that are a fraction of that size.

That's some Q-level conspiracy BS there and I like to poke fun of the catholic church, notre dame, etc.

The larger the parliamentary body the more unwieldy and the more actually gets done outside of it. People (Trip) might believe that a bigger legislature = more democracy but it's the opposite in many ways.

I became a mini dictator as soon I was named GM. It was glorious!

[UNI88]

That's some Q-level conspiracy BS there and I like to poke fun of the catholic church, notre dame, etc.

The larger the parliamentary body the more unwieldy and the more actually gets done outside of it. People (Trip) might believe that a bigger legislature = more democracy but it's the opposite in many ways.

I became a mini dictator as soon I was named GM. It was glorious!

I didn't realize you were Genetically Modified. Since you mentioned it on the COVID thread, did the vaccine cause the modifications?

[kalm]

I became a mini dictator as soon I was named GM. It was glorious!

I didn't realize you were Genetically Modified. Since you mentioned it on the COVID thread, did the vaccine cause the modifications?

I’m growing a new nut.

Thx!

[JohnStOnge]

Ok. I just came here so I don't know if anybody caught it yet but when I did the correlation for State hospitalization rate vs. State fully vaccinated rate I neglected to account for the fact that the vaccine is considered to take 2 weeks to become fully effective. Also I did not consider the interval between symptom onset and hospitalization.

So I did another one. I kept the incubation period to symptom onset at 5 days. I looked at various studies on interval between symptom onset and hospitalization. I saw anything from about 1 day to about 10 days and settled on 6 days for that. Then I added the 14 days for getting the second dose of the mRNA vaccines or getting the single dose of Johnson & Johnson. 25 days total. I ran a correlation between hospitalization rate reported as of today at https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/p ... ust-2.html and fully vaccinated rate as of September 12 as indicated by the query that appears at the top of the Google search at https://www.google.com/search?q=Alabama ... nt=gws-wiz.

Same basic result. The coefficient is -0.734. Significance level is so high I can't find an on line calculator to calculate it. Vaccination rate explains more than half the variation in hospitalization rate.

There's no way to do it perfectly. But it's clear that there is a strong association such that States (plus DC) that have higher vaccination rates tend to have lower hospitalization rates.

Of course there is no change with respect to the fact that States that voted for Trump have "significantly" higher average hospitalization rate. That comparison was not related to vaccination rate.

[JohnStOnge]

Yeah, that dude is apparently whacky - in that 52 page (seriously, 52 pages, that's a crap-load amount of pages) diatribe, he also said this about the Catholic Church...


Frankly, I think New Hampshire just needs to rethink the size of their legislature. They have the 3rd largest democratic body in the world (after the English parliament and the US HOR) - maybe there just aren't enough rational people in New Hampshire to properly fill out such a body. 400 legislators is hard to find if you want them all to be sane and rational, most states can't find enough for state legislatures that are a fraction of that size.

That's some Q-level conspiracy BS there and I like to poke fun of the catholic church, notre dame, etc.

The larger the parliamentary body the more unwieldy and the more actually gets done outside of it. People (Trip) might believe that a bigger legislature = more democracy but it's the opposite in many ways.

Can we just be honest? It's great that a Republican Governor called the guy out. But the problem we have is with the Republican Party. There may be SOME rational members of it. But, overall, it is the Party of the whack jobs. This country would be WAY better off at this point if it were eliminated as a significant factor in the direction of the nation.

[UNI88]

That's some Q-level conspiracy BS there and I like to poke fun of the catholic church, notre dame, etc.

The larger the parliamentary body the more unwieldy and the more actually gets done outside of it. People (Trip) might believe that a bigger legislature = more democracy but it's the opposite in many ways.

Can we just be honest? It's great that a Republican Governor called the guy out. But the problem we have is with the Republican Party. There may be SOME rational members of it. But, overall, it is the Party of the whack jobs. This country would be WAY better off at this point if it were eliminated as a significant factor in the direction of the nation.

Speaking of irrational obsessions ...

[Ivytalk]

I had even fewer side effects from my Pfizer booster than I had from the second dose, which wasn’t bad at all. A small amount of arm soreness, and that’s it.

they're getting you used to it.

Come to think of it, I do have a craving for another one. That next fix, you know.

[kalm]

they're getting you used to it.

Come to think of it, I do have a craving for another one. That next fix, you know.

[CAA Flagship]

550+ pages in this thread.

The only statement in the entire thread that was never disputed was in the very first post:

I think this thing needs it's own thread.

CAA Flagship - Jan 25, 2020

[kalm]

550+ pages in this thread.

The only statement in the entire thread that was never disputed was in the very first post:

I think this thing needs it's own thread.

CAA Flagship - Jan 25, 2020

Bullshit.

[SeattleGriz]

Holy shit. Grampa Badfinger doesn't even know about breakthrough cases.

[GannonFan]

Holy shit. Grampa Badfinger doesn't even know about breakthrough cases.

Don't blame him, it's just what was listed on the teleprompter. I'm happy he's still at least capable of reading, means he's not a complete vegetable yet.

[JohnStOnge]

Can we just be honest? It's great that a Republican Governor called the guy out. But the problem we have is with the Republican Party. There may be SOME rational members of it. But, overall, it is the Party of the whack jobs. This country would be WAY better off at this point if it were eliminated as a significant factor in the direction of the nation.

Speaking of irrational obsessions ...

It's a very rational observation. And the fact that we have people who don't recognize it as such is a problem.

[UNI88]

Speaking of irrational obsessions ...

It's a very rational observation. And the fact that we have people who don't recognize it as such is a problem.

Provide the (verifiable & quantifiable) data to back up your assertion that it is a rational observation. Nothing anecdotal please. Otherwise it's a theory based on your (biased) opinion. My (biased) opinion says that both parties are part of the problem.

[JohnStOnge]

Didn't Biden* say he'd get this under control when he became POTUS?

Promises made, promises kept.

Ok. I had time to really look at it. And it's another example of the problem we have in the "conservative" world right now. It's completely intellectually dishonet.

I am using Worldometers data. Through yesterday (today is not done yet), Biden had been in office for 261 days. During those 261 days, there were 305,197 COVID-19 deaths. During the 261 days prior to when Biden took office, which is the period 5/4/2020 through 1/19/2021, there were 354,531 COVID-19 deaths.

The average daily rate during Biden's 261 days through yesterday was 1169. The average daily rate for the 261 days before he took office is 1358. You can use the Poisson means test calculator at https://www.evanmiller.org/ab-testing/p ... means.html to determine that the rate for the 261 days since Biden took office is "significantly" lower than it was during the 261 days before he took office at 99.9% confidence.

Now, that does not mean that Biden caused an improvement. Obviously Biden has the advantage of having had the vaccinations going on. Also natural immunity. BUT: Things have improved, on balance, since Biden took office. That Tweet is a classic example of lying with statistics. This is why statistics gets a bad name. But, as I am now demonstrating, it only works if you are dealing with people who are not going to look at the attempted deception closely.