Coronavirus COVID-19

[kalm]

Keep politicizing it. I’m sure it will help.

The first mistake Biden made was ever emphatically promising and proclaiming that if you just get your 2 shots things will be back to normal.

If he added the words probably or might to the above would it make you feel better? Would people on the fence take it seriously or just call it fear mongering?

[kalm]

Keep politicizing it. I’m sure it will help.

Somebody woke up cranky.

Happy Solstice!

[SeattleGriz]

Somebody woke up cranky.

Happy Solstice!

Sweet! Days are going to start getting longer. On the downhill side of winter now!

[UNI88]

One of the many mistakes Biden has made so far was emphatically promising and proclaiming that if you just get your 2 shots things will be back to normal.

If he added the words probably or might to the above would it make you feel better? Would people on the fence take it seriously or just call it fear mongering?

FYP

The last paragraph of the White House statement is political fear mongering. It's the kind of bush league statement I would expect from Trump and his MAGAts.

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[Winterborn]

The extent to which misinformation on the effect of vaccination has taken hold is breathtaking. It really is. If you are vaccinated, you are less likely to become infected to start with. That includes the Omicron variant. The effect is not as good as we would like. But it is there.

Also, should you become infected, vaccinated people are less likely to pass the disease on than unvaccinated people are. That is true with respect to the Omicron variant as well.

This "vaccination makes no difference" thing needs to stop. It makes a huge difference.

I don't see anywhere where there is data saying that being vaccinated or not "makes a huge difference" when it comes to becoming infected or spreading it. It absolutely makes a huge difference when it comes to severity, of that there is no doubt, but the evidence that's showing up everyday now that omicron has moved in makes it look extremely unlikely that there's a huge difference in vaccinated and unvaccinated in terms of infection and spreading.

I normally don't agree wit BDK on stuff like this, but how do relatively closed populations with extremely high vaccination rates (i.e. pro sports teams, college campuses, etc) with vaccination rates around 98% or more, end up with significant outbreaks of positive COVID tests? What may have been true for delta while people were fresh from being vaccinated is turning out not to be true of omicron with people several months on since getting their vaccination. Again, there's evidence galore that severity is less with vaccination (and that alone should drive people to be vaccinated and get a booster shot, as many times as needed), but there's also plenty of evidence that the vaccinations wane, and rather quickly (months) and that spreading and infection rates are significantly increased right now, vaccinated or not.

My thoughts exactly.

Vaccinations and the boosters are there to help the vulnerable population that need them. We will all get it eventually, just like we all get some variation of the influenza virus. The good news is this is getting weaker every time it mutates, which history has shown us it will.

A massive 99.5% of adults over the age of 18 in Co Waterford are double-jabbed. That's thought to be one of the highest rates of any region anywhere in the world.

But, according to the Health Protection Surveillance Centre, the county now tops the national infection league table, with a 14-day incidence rate of 1,294 per 100,000.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-ire ... g-12461642

[Winterborn]

Somebody woke up cranky.

Happy Solstice!

Time to go party with the Pagans.

[AZGrizFan]

The first mistake Biden made was ever emphatically promising and proclaiming that if you just get your 2 shots things will be back to normal.

If he added the words probably or might to the above would it make you feel better? Would people on the fence take it seriously or just call it fear mongering?

He should have just stopped after the 2nd paragraph. Period.

[kalm]

The first mistake Biden made was ever emphatically promising and proclaiming that if you just get your 2 shots things will be back to normal.

If he added the words probably or might to the above would it make you feel better? Would people on the fence take it seriously or just call it fear mongering?

He should have just stopped after the 2nd paragraph. Period.

Yeah…sometimes honesty hurts the most.

[AZGrizFan]

He should have just stopped after the 2nd paragraph. Period.

Yeah…sometimes honesty hurts the most.

lol. Yeah. That's the reason. He was just being honest.

[UNI88]

Yeah…sometimes honesty hurts the most.

lol. Yeah. That's the reason. He was just being honest.

He and his staff were being whiny little vindictive dicks.

[kalm]

lol. Yeah. That's the reason. He was just being honest.

He and his staff were being whiny little vindictive dicks.

Hurt feelings! It’s just the flu again!

[Gil Dobie]

Happy Solstice!

Time to go party with the Pagans.

Longest night of the year, go for it.

[UNI88]

He and his staff were being whiny little vindictive dicks.

Hurt feelings! It’s just the flu again!

Didn't hurt my feelings at all but it was pretty obvious that it was only going to make the unvaccinated dig their heels in more. What was the purpose of the last statement if anyone with a brainstem knew it was going to convince the unvaccinated to get vaccinated?

Biden's presidency has been one failure after another and neither he nor his staff want to take responsibility so they lash out and blame others when they can. They're very Trumpian in that regard. Unfortunately, this isn't the only instance where Biden and the illiberals do this and it won't be the last.

[kalm]

Hurt feelings! It’s just the flu again!

Didn't hurt my feelings at all but it was pretty obvious that it was only going to make the unvaccinated dig their heels in more. What was the purpose of the last statement if anyone with a brainstem knew it was going to convince the unvaccinated to get vaccinated?

Biden's presidency has been one failure after another and neither he nor his staff want to take responsibility so they lash out and blame others when they can. They're very Trumpian in that regard. Unfortunately, this isn't the only instance where Biden and the illiberals do this and it won't be the last.

I get that…and we see it everywhere in political discussions including you and me.

But it’s likely the truth. We’ve been at war for two years now and not everyone is willing to fight it. Asking the unvaxxed nicely isn’t going to move them either. Coddling isn’t the answer and maybe enough shaming from friends, family, doctor, and the commander in chief might get a few to reconsider. Yeah probably not.

[AZGrizFan]

Didn't hurt my feelings at all but it was pretty obvious that it was only going to make the unvaccinated dig their heels in more. What was the purpose of the last statement if anyone with a brainstem knew it was going to convince the unvaccinated to get vaccinated?

Biden's presidency has been one failure after another and neither he nor his staff want to take responsibility so they lash out and blame others when they can. They're very Trumpian in that regard. Unfortunately, this isn't the only instance where Biden and the illiberals do this and it won't be the last.

I get that…and we see it everywhere in political discussions including you and me.

But it’s likely the truth. We’ve been at war for two years now and not everyone is willing to fight it. Asking the unvaxxed nicely isn’t going to move them either. Coddling isn’t the answer and maybe enough shaming from friends, family, doctor, and the commander in chief might get a few to reconsider. Yeah probably not.

the only "war" being fought is for power and control.

If you give them "emergency powers", guess what? There'll ALWAYS be an "emergency". Viola! And here we are....

[89Hen]

Sweet! Days are going to start getting longer.

But the sun will continue to rise later and later for a few more days. I mentioned this last year.... the science behind astral motion still befuddles me.

[Winterborn]

I get that…and we see it everywhere in political discussions including you and me.

But it’s likely the truth. We’ve been at war for two years now and not everyone is willing to fight it. Asking the unvaxxed nicely isn’t going to move them either. Coddling isn’t the answer and maybe enough shaming from friends, family, doctor, and the commander in chief might get a few to reconsider. Yeah probably not.

the only "war" being fought is for power and control.

If you give them "emergency powers", guess what? There'll ALWAYS be an "emergency". Viola! And here we are....

AZ you highlight a very valid point that most people miss. This topic has many layers (to quote Shrek). At the top you have have the virus, and then you have the responses to it underneath. And the responses were as varied as the individuals crafting them. Different areas had different responses and ways of going about it. Some stuck to within the rules and regulations, others threw them out the window, while others charted a middle course.

Maybe in the early weeks/months it was about protecting life but it has long since moved past that. Even in the early days, it was interesting to see who panicked (and it was a panic by some) and who kept a more level headed approach. At this stage in the game it is all about controlling the narrative and protecting those in power. Faci is covering his ass with the Gain of Function research and the fact that a few others and himself paid China to do the research that was illegal over here in shoddy facilities and it escaped. Politicians covering their ass as they got used to being the one people looked to for decisions and that gives them a power over those that do and do not. People do some precautions, not others, or not doing any at all, or overreacting and becoming a hermit.

This whole response became a case study in how certain people process information and how they handle risk analysis. The emotional vs. logical responses.

[Winterborn]

Time to go party with the Pagans.

Longest night of the year, go for it.

Last day of work this year for myself as well. Time to break out the Tom & Jerry, spiced rum, and watch the sun set.

[GannonFan]

Didn't hurt my feelings at all but it was pretty obvious that it was only going to make the unvaccinated dig their heels in more. What was the purpose of the last statement if anyone with a brainstem knew it was going to convince the unvaccinated to get vaccinated?

Biden's presidency has been one failure after another and neither he nor his staff want to take responsibility so they lash out and blame others when they can. They're very Trumpian in that regard. Unfortunately, this isn't the only instance where Biden and the illiberals do this and it won't be the last.

I get that…and we see it everywhere in political discussions including you and me.

But it’s likely the truth. We’ve been at war for two years now and not everyone is willing to fight it. Asking the unvaxxed nicely isn’t going to move them either. Coddling isn’t the answer and maybe enough shaming from friends, family, doctor, and the commander in chief might get a few to reconsider. Yeah probably not.

But what war are you referring to now? Let's face it, if we could snap our fingers and have 100% of Americans vaccinated, we would still have huge numbers of infections from the omicron variant, and probably very similar to the numbers we see today. Omicron didn't start here in the US, so even a 100% vaccination rate here would not have stopped it from originating. We know that it's a variant that can and does, somewhat easily, bypass existing vaccines, even more so the further out you are from the vaccination. The severity of it is impacted by vaccinations, but other than that there is little difference between vaccinated people and unvaccinated people. Heck, this might be the variant we needed to get everyone inoculated against this coronavirus without killing everyone while doing it - exceedingly high spreading while relatively less lethal.

We're never going to eradicate COVID. It's a coronavirus, you can't eradicate them. It's always been a question of being able to live with it. We might be at that point, first with the less lethal variant, and second with the therapeutic breakthroughs for treatment once you have it.

[CID1990]

lol. Yeah. That's the reason. He was just being honest.

He and his staff were being whiny little vindictive dicks.

Especially rich considering Biden ran on being some kind of unifier and bringing back bipartisanship

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ and transparency! cant forget the transparency… I guess that press release was transparently obnoxious


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[AZGrizFan]

He and his staff were being whiny little vindictive dicks.

Especially rich considering Biden ran on being some kind of unifier and bringing back bipartisanship

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ and transparency! cant forget the transparency… I guess that press release was transparently obnoxious


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Transparent in the sense that we KNOW what they really think of the whole "unifier" narrative...

[UNI88]

Didn't hurt my feelings at all but it was pretty obvious that it was only going to make the unvaccinated dig their heels in more. What was the purpose of the last statement if anyone with a brainstem knew it was going to convince the unvaccinated to get vaccinated?

Biden's presidency has been one failure after another and neither he nor his staff want to take responsibility so they lash out and blame others when they can. They're very Trumpian in that regard. Unfortunately, this isn't the only instance where Biden and the illiberals do this and it won't be the last.

I get that…and we see it everywhere in political discussions including you and me.

But it’s likely the truth. We’ve been at war for two years now and not everyone is willing to fight it. Asking the unvaxxed nicely isn’t going to move them either. Coddling isn’t the answer and maybe enough shaming from friends, family, doctor, and the commander in chief might get a few to reconsider. Yeah probably not.

Is it the truth? The last paragraph was "for the vaccinated, you're looking at a winter of severe illness and death for yourselves, your families, and the hospitals you may soon overwhelm."

Two issues that contradict this statement being "the truth":
- The most vulnerable (the ones most at risk for severe illness or death) are either vaccinated or have already suffered from the virus.
- It appears that the virus is becoming more contagious but less deadly as it mutates (as SG predicted).

If Omicron isn't as severe as previous variants can you say with certainty that the unvaccinated are really looking at a winter of severe illness and death for themselves and family?

The last paragraph was a Trumpian fvck you to the unvaccinated.

[AZGrizFan]

I get that…and we see it everywhere in political discussions including you and me.

But it’s likely the truth. We’ve been at war for two years now and not everyone is willing to fight it. Asking the unvaxxed nicely isn’t going to move them either. Coddling isn’t the answer and maybe enough shaming from friends, family, doctor, and the commander in chief might get a few to reconsider. Yeah probably not.

Is it the truth? The last paragraph was "for the vaccinated, you're looking at a winter of severe illness and death for yourselves, your families, and the hospitals you may soon overwhelm."

Two issues that contradict this statement being "the truth":
- The most vulnerable are either vaccinated or have already suffered from the virus.
- It appears that the virus is becoming more contagious but less deadly as it mutates (as SG predicted).

If Omicron isn't as severe as previous variants can you say with certainty that the unvaccinated are really looking at a winter of severe illness and death for themselves and family?

The last paragraph was a Trumpian fvck you to the unvaccinated.

Very much so. But Biden is a "uniter", 88. Don't worry. He got this.

[SeattleGriz]

I get that…and we see it everywhere in political discussions including you and me.

But it’s likely the truth. We’ve been at war for two years now and not everyone is willing to fight it. Asking the unvaxxed nicely isn’t going to move them either. Coddling isn’t the answer and maybe enough shaming from friends, family, doctor, and the commander in chief might get a few to reconsider. Yeah probably not.

Is it the truth? The last paragraph was "for the vaccinated, you're looking at a winter of severe illness and death for yourselves, your families, and the hospitals you may soon overwhelm."

Two issues that contradict this statement being "the truth":
- The most vulnerable (the ones most at risk for severe illness or death) are either vaccinated or have already suffered from the virus.
- It appears that the virus is becoming more contagious but less deadly as it mutates (as SG predicted).

If Omicron isn't as severe as previous variants can you say with certainty that the unvaccinated are really looking at a winter of severe illness and death for themselves and family?

The last paragraph was a Trumpian fvck you to the unvaccinated.

Don't forget that those under 50 with no comorbidities have an infection fatality ratio of around .1%, so when put in a pool of 1000 people that same age group, who all catch Covid, only one will die. My bet is on those with an average of 4 comorbidities will be the first to die in that pool.

Haven't even seen the Omicron IFR, as the one I posted was Delta.

[kalm]

I get that…and we see it everywhere in political discussions including you and me.

But it’s likely the truth. We’ve been at war for two years now and not everyone is willing to fight it. Asking the unvaxxed nicely isn’t going to move them either. Coddling isn’t the answer and maybe enough shaming from friends, family, doctor, and the commander in chief might get a few to reconsider. Yeah probably not.

Is it the truth? The last paragraph was "for the vaccinated, you're looking at a winter of severe illness and death for yourselves, your families, and the hospitals you may soon overwhelm."

Two issues that contradict this statement being "the truth":
- The most vulnerable (the ones most at risk for severe illness or death) are either vaccinated or have already suffered from the virus.
- It appears that the virus is becoming more contagious but less deadly as it mutates (as SG predicted).

If Omicron isn't as severe as previous variants can you say with certainty that the unvaccinated are really looking at a winter of severe illness and death for themselves and family?

The last paragraph was a Trumpian fvck you to the unvaccinated.

The truth based on what we’ve already experienced and what we’re anecdotally seeing so far. I admitted earlier I would have qualified the paragraph with a “might” or run “the risk”.

But this still isn’t just about personal choice. Hospitals are sounding warning signs. Their front line workers are already fatigued. Even if omicron is less deadly, the early infection rates could still push the healthcare system to its limits…again.

Not to mention the possibility of less restrictions if the vaccine rates were higher.

But yes…let’s hope indeed that it’s less deadly, more manageable, peaks sooner, and lingers shorter.