The Ukraine Crisis

[Ibanez]

There were sanctions levied against Russia during Obama and Trumps administrations and continued through Biden's
obviously weren't a deterrent.

Trump was contradictory and sent confusing messages. For instance, Trump agreed to provide Ukraine with "lethal aid", something Obama wouldn't do. But then he refuses to give the aid until Ukraine made statements about the 2016 Election, Hilary and some nonsense...but then finally obstructed OMB to release the aid. Or how about that Sanctions act they he signed, criticized it....but then never acted on the sanctions past the deadline. That was somewhere around 2018/2019. What was the entire point of that bill if you weren't going to enforce it/utilize it? If you recall, the WH said the bill it self was a deterrent and they didn't need to actually enforce it.

Wrong.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canad ... %20project.

Look up at me and 89s back and forth.

[BDKJMU]

Wrong.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canad ... %20project.

Look up at me and 89s back and forth.

Lol I literally pulled up the same link as 89’.

Edit: I should have read ahead, and you should have been more clear.

[89Hen]

To your point about Putin doing this a year after Trump, I get it. It makes sense and certainly lends credence to the "weak" president idea of Democratic Presidents. But I don't believe that to be the only factor nor to even be a major factor in this case. Nor should we look at the root cause of this invasion with only that in mind. There are so many other contributing factors that explain why Ukraine and why now. It's a bit myopic to only focus on one.

I disagree in that I believe the Biden administration is the VAST majority reason this is happening now.

[Ibanez]

Oh yeah.. those Russian sanctions sure worked. Trump was wrong about a rigged 2020 election. Wrong about COVID-19 just going away. Wrong about Russian interference in the 2016 election. Wrong about Russian sponsored SolarWinds hack that occurred on his watch. Wrong about Ukraine hacking out elections.


He was wrong and right about many things but let's not canonize the man just yet.

He was wrong about many things. Biden’s administration has been wrong about literally EVERYTHING. Every single thing Biden’s administration does is reflexive in nature. There appears to be ZERO pre-planning, scenario planning, etc., etc. to actually BE PREPARED for cases just like this. How in the fuck does Biden, on one hand, stand before the American people yesterday and say “we’ve been saying for weeks that this invasion was coming” but we have taken exactly ZERO steps to help beef up Ukraine’s military defense capabilities to help thwart the attack? And now they’re literally BEGGING for stuff that we and other should have been sending weeks, if not months ago.

Every single thing that happens during this administration seems to be a surprise. He’s way, way way more worried about what the skin color is of his latest SC nominee than he is about evacuating Americans in Afghanistan or helping to get countries like Ukraine better prepared for something he has admitted they knew was coming for weeks (just like the eventual evacuation date of Afghanistan).

They are clueless, and appear even more clueless at every crises.

I think I shared your sentiment about being prepared a few pages back. This has been a concern for years that Obama refused to help, Trump said he would, then he withheld the aid until Zelensky made false claims about the 2016 election and then Trump finally caved right up to this year. Biden and his staff had to have seen this coming.


If I, a casual observer, who has been reading the tea leaves for so long and predicted this...then how in the world did the military experts and politicians with better experience and intel miss it.

[AZGrizFan]

Biden just two short years ago:



Fucking retard.

[Ibanez]

Look up at me and 89s back and forth.

Lol I literally pulled up the same link as 89’.

No look back where I stated is misworded my post and then said exactly what you linked to.

[Ibanez]

To your point about Putin doing this a year after Trump, I get it. It makes sense and certainly lends credence to the "weak" president idea of Democratic Presidents. But I don't believe that to be the only factor nor to even be a major factor in this case. Nor should we look at the root cause of this invasion with only that in mind. There are so many other contributing factors that explain why Ukraine and why now. It's a bit myopic to only focus on one.

I disagree in that I believe the Biden administration is the VAST major reason this is happening now.

Really - Biden is the reason that Vlad Putin is invading Ukraine right now? C'mon. He chose to go during the presidency of a pro-NATO President vs one who praises him and is for weaking NATO? Where's the blame on all of NATO and the EU?

[89Hen]

I disagree in that I believe the Biden administration is the VAST major reason this is happening now.

Really - Biden is the reason that Vlad Putin is invading Ukraine right now? C'mon. He chose to go during the presidency of a pro-NATO President vs one who praises him and is for weaking NATO?

Yes. Biden is the reason.

This must be porn for you:

[Ibanez]

Really - Biden is the reason that Vlad Putin is invading Ukraine right now? C'mon. He chose to go during the presidency of a pro-NATO President vs one who praises him and is for weaking NATO?

Yes. Biden is the reason.

This must be porn for you:

No, not really. I'm not a fan of Biden. I just don't lay the woes of the world on the feet of one person. I think Putin might be a bigger reason why he's invading. I think years of ineffectual sanctions and virtue-signaling from American and EU leaders play a big role. I'm not ready to say the #1 reason, without a doubt, is Biden.

[Pwns]

This twitter thread is full of idiots saying Fox News is Russian propaganda. Unreal. Leftists have more neocon instincts than the neocons themselves.

[Winterborn]

No, not really. I'm not a fan of Biden. I just don't lay the woes of the world on the feet of one person. I think Putin might be a bigger reason why he's invading. I think years of ineffectual sanctions and virtue-signaling from American and EU leaders play a big role. I'm not ready to say the #1 reason, without a doubt, is Biden.

C'mon man! Get with the times. Trump was to blame for everything that happened during his Presidency. He could have solved world hunger and people would be complaining that he used too much food to do it.



But I agree Biden's ineffectiveness is not the number one reason Putin invaded Ukraine, but he sure is high up on the list. Dumb EU leaders and policies were the big ones.

[UNI88]

No, not really. I'm not a fan of Biden. I just don't lay the woes of the world on the feet of one person. I think Putin might be a bigger reason why he's invading. I think years of ineffectual sanctions and virtue-signaling from American and EU leaders play a big role. I'm not ready to say the #1 reason, without a doubt, is Biden.

C'mon man! Get with the times. Trump was to blame for everything that happened during his Presidency. He could have solved world hunger and people would be complaining that he used too much food to do it.



But I agree Biden's ineffectiveness is not the number one reason Putin invaded Ukraine, but he sure is high up on the list. Dumb EU leaders and policies were the big ones.

I doubt Biden's ineffectiveness was a primary reason behind the invasion but it could certainly be argued that it emboldened Putin and impacted the timeline.

[AZGrizFan]

C'mon man! Get with the times. Trump was to blame for everything that happened during his Presidency. He could have solved world hunger and people would be complaining that he used too much food to do it.



But I agree Biden's ineffectiveness is not the number one reason Putin invaded Ukraine, but he sure is high up on the list. Dumb EU leaders and policies were the big ones.

I doubt Biden's ineffectiveness was a primary reason behind the invasion but it could certainly be argued that it emboldened Putin and impacted the timeline.

Putin started amassing troops within several weeks of Biden’s failed withdrawal from Afghanistan.

[Ibanez]

No, not really. I'm not a fan of Biden. I just don't lay the woes of the world on the feet of one person. I think Putin might be a bigger reason why he's invading. I think years of ineffectual sanctions and virtue-signaling from American and EU leaders play a big role. I'm not ready to say the #1 reason, without a doubt, is Biden.

C'mon man! Get with the times. Trump was to blame for everything that happened during his Presidency. He could have solved world hunger and people would be complaining that he used too much food to do it.



But I agree Biden's ineffectiveness is not the number one reason Putin invaded Ukraine, but he sure is high up on the list. Dumb EU leaders and policies were the big ones.

Oh for sure. The American President is always the scapegoat's for everything bad that happens.

Your last sentence is more to my thinking.

[JohnStOnge]

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Trump: right about wiretapping in Trump Tower. Right about Russiagate. Right about the border and securing the border. Right about NATO needing to spend more on defense. Right about the sanctions on the Russian pipeline. Right about European countries needing to get off the Russian oil teet…

For an idiot, he sure has ended up being right about a lot of shit…as opposed to the current octagenarian in the White House who is a smooth O-fer on being right about literally anything.

Right about securing the border, NATO needing to spend more, etc. are subjective.

But he was not right about wiretapping Trump Tower. That did not happen. It is false. He was also wrong about Russiagate if what you are talking about is the idea that people in his campaign cooperated with Russian operatives. That did happen.

He was actually not right about much. He lied constantly.

Again: The difference between Trump and Biden is that Trump took over when things were going well and was able to claim credit for the sunrise. Until COVID-19. No such luck for Biden. He took over when things were in chaos.

Might this Ukraine thing be different if Trump were President? Maybe. But the main reason is that Trump was Putin's bitch. Putin wants to weaken NATO and destroy Ukraine and Trump was on his side with respect to both of those things. Just a couple of more reasons why Putin, who is no friend of the United States, wanted Trump to be our President.

[SeattleGriz]

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Trump: right about wiretapping in Trump Tower. Right about Russiagate. Right about the border and securing the border. Right about NATO needing to spend more on defense. Right about the sanctions on the Russian pipeline. Right about European countries needing to get off the Russian oil teet…

For an idiot, he sure has ended up being right about a lot of shit…as opposed to the current octagenarian in the White House who is a smooth O-fer on being right about literally anything.

Right about securing the border, NATO needing to spend more, etc. are subjective.

But he was not right about wiretapping Trump Tower. That did not happen. It is false. He was also wrong about Russiagate if what you are talking about is the idea that people in his campaign cooperated with Russian operatives. That did happen.

He was actually not right about much. He lied constantly.

Again: The difference between Trump and Biden is that Trump took over when things were going well and was able to claim credit for the sunrise. Until COVID-19. No such luck for Biden. He took over when things were in chaos.

Might this Ukraine thing be different if Trump were President? Maybe. But the main reason is that Trump was Putin's bitch. Putin wants to weaken NATO and destroy Ukraine and Trump was on his side with respect to both of those things. Just a couple of more reasons why Putin, who is no friend of the United States, wanted Trump to be our President.

While I don't think there were actual physical wiretaps, Obama (FBI and DOJ) used NSA power via 702 search abuse to surveil Trump. This cannot be disputed. It is fact.

[houndawg]

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Trump: right about wiretapping in Trump Tower. Right about Russiagate. Right about the border and securing the border. Right about NATO needing to spend more on defense. Right about the sanctions on the Russian pipeline. Right about European countries needing to get off the Russian oil teet…

For an idiot, he sure has ended up being right about a lot of shit…as opposed to the current octagenarian in the White House who is a smooth O-fer on being right about literally anything.

Right about securing the border, NATO needing to spend more, etc. are subjective.

But he was not right about wiretapping Trump Tower. That did not happen. It is false. He was also wrong about Russiagate if what you are talking about is the idea that people in his campaign cooperated with Russian operatives. That did happen.

He was actually not right about much. He lied constantly.

Again: The difference between Trump and Biden is that Trump took over when things were going well and was able to claim credit for the sunrise. Until COVID-19. No such luck for Biden. He took over when things were in chaos.

Might this Ukraine thing be different if Trump were President? Maybe. But the main reason is that Trump was Putin's bitch. Putin wants to weaken NATO and destroy Ukraine and Trump was on his side with respect to both of those things. Just a couple of more reasons why Putin, who is no friend of the United States, wanted Trump to be our President.

You knew it the moment Putin dogwalked him up to the podium in Helsinki and then made him stand there and look stupid while Putin did all the talking.

[Ibanez]

Right about securing the border, NATO needing to spend more, etc. are subjective.

But he was not right about wiretapping Trump Tower. That did not happen. It is false. He was also wrong about Russiagate if what you are talking about is the idea that people in his campaign cooperated with Russian operatives. That did happen.

He was actually not right about much. He lied constantly.

Again: The difference between Trump and Biden is that Trump took over when things were going well and was able to claim credit for the sunrise. Until COVID-19. No such luck for Biden. He took over when things were in chaos.

Might this Ukraine thing be different if Trump were President? Maybe. But the main reason is that Trump was Putin's bitch. Putin wants to weaken NATO and destroy Ukraine and Trump was on his side with respect to both of those things. Just a couple of more reasons why Putin, who is no friend of the United States, wanted Trump to be our President.

While I don't think there were actual physical wiretaps, Obama (FBI and DOJ) used NSA power via 702 search abuse to surveil Trump. This cannot be disputed. It is fact.

Wait - I thought there were actual wiretaps.


Anyway - don’t feed the troll. You’re better than that.


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[Skjellyfetti]

Kazakhstan denies Russia's request for assistance.

Russia more and more isolated. Just sent troops to Kazakhstan a couple of months ago to save the President's ass.... and, then Putin gets cucked.

Kazakhstan, one of Russia's closest allies and a southern neighbor, is denying a request for its troops to join the offensive in Ukraine, officials said Friday.

Such a savvy move by Putin.

[Ivytalk]

StWronge is in retreat faster than Tucker Carlson.

[Ivytalk]

Kazakhstan denies Russia's request for assistance.

Russia more and more isolated. Just sent troops to Kazakhstan a couple of months ago to save the President's ass.... and, then Putin gets cucked.

Kazakhstan, one of Russia's closest allies and a southern neighbor, is denying a request for its troops to join the offensive in Ukraine, officials said Friday.

Such a savvy move by Putin.

And Borat.

[BDKJMU]

That was Hillary..

Hilary was doing her own criminal shit. This was separate. I'm referring to the misinformation campaign by Russian trolls. I'm glad Hillary lost - she should've been locked up long ago.

as a side note - Trump had 4 years and the DOJ at his beck and call and they STILL couldn't lock her up.

It was Hillary and the rest of the left that were running around saying the Russians has gotten Trump elected, which was a bunch if BS. The troll farms din’t affect the outcome.

[BDKJMU]

I disagree in that I believe the Biden administration is the VAST major reason this is happening now.

Really - Biden is the reason that Vlad Putin is invading Ukraine right now? C'mon. He chose to go during the presidency of a pro-NATO President vs one who praises him and is for weaking NATO? Where's the blame on all of NATO and the EU?

If NATO countries to paid more for their defense, which is what Trump was browbeating them to do, that would strengthen NATO.

[BDKJMU]

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Trump: right about wiretapping in Trump Tower. Right about Russiagate. Right about the border and securing the border. Right about NATO needing to spend more on defense. Right about the sanctions on the Russian pipeline. Right about European countries needing to get off the Russian oil teet…

For an idiot, he sure has ended up being right about a lot of shit…as opposed to the current octagenarian in the White House who is a smooth O-fer on being right about literally anything.

Might this Ukraine thing be different if Trump were President? Maybe. But the main reason is that Trump was Putin's bitch. Putin wants to weaken NATO and destroy Ukraine and Trump was on his side with respect to both of those things. Just a couple of more reasons why Putin, who is no friend of the United States, wanted Trump to be our President.

Yeah Trump wouldn’t have slow rolled arms to Ukraine because he didn’t want to antagonize Putin.

Yeah, Trump was Putin’s bitch. That’s why the Trump admin sold arms to Ukraine.

Yeah, Trump wanted to weaken NATO. Thats why Trump was trying to get NATO countries to spend more for defense.

[BDKJMU]

I doubt Biden's ineffectiveness was a primary reason behind the invasion but it could certainly be argued that it emboldened Putin and impacted the timeline.

Putin started amassing troops within several weeks of Biden’s failed withdrawal from Afghanistan.

Yep. Here’s what Biden armed the Taliban with:

I’m sure Ukraine would have loved a fraction of that.