Energy Crisis

[houndawg]

Just Texas.

Yes, because the OTHER parts of the grid have performed SO admirably in recent years.

they haven't - except when compared to Texas.

....a new grid, small decentarlized nukes, and hydrogen. That's the ticket.

[kalm]

Yet here we are with decreasing resources, decreasing affordable land but increasing growth…still living in large cities.

Conflicts require resolution. “Fringe” is a subjective term.

Do you deny that the appeal of city living has dropped? I love cities and 3 years ago I would have enjoyed living in downtown Portland. Not anymore. The homeless camps, the risk of my car being broken into, the increased possibility that as a middle-aged white male I could be threatened and attacked because of my "privilege", etc. outweigh by walkability and proximity to restaurants, shows, etc.

FTR, I used our light rail system on a regular basis before the pandemic. I don't think I've used it since and don't plan to.

Yes, conflicts require resolution but resolution frequently requires compromise. The all-or-nothing approach taken by the fringes doesn't allow for compromise. They're absorbed in the righteousness of their cause and will brook no compromise.

"Fringe" is a subjective term just like "centrist" and "center". IMO you have left your post-partisan center and moved to the fringe.

Of course the allure of city living has taken a hit. It ain’t a secret. Spokane has big city problems as well. Yet here we are…still having big cities and mass transit needs.

Of course you think I’m fringe. I’m ok with you thinking that.

[UNI88]

Do you deny that the appeal of city living has dropped? I love cities and 3 years ago I would have enjoyed living in downtown Portland. Not anymore. The homeless camps, the risk of my car being broken into, the increased possibility that as a middle-aged white male I could be threatened and attacked because of my "privilege", etc. outweigh by walkability and proximity to restaurants, shows, etc.

FTR, I used our light rail system on a regular basis before the pandemic. I don't think I've used it since and don't plan to.

Yes, conflicts require resolution but resolution frequently requires compromise. The all-or-nothing approach taken by the fringes doesn't allow for compromise. They're absorbed in the righteousness of their cause and will brook no compromise.

"Fringe" is a subjective term just like "centrist" and "center". IMO you have left your post-partisan center and moved to the fringe.

Of course the allure of city living has taken a hit. It ain’t a secret. Spokane has big city problems as well. Yet here we are…still having big cities and mass transit needs.

Of course you think I’m fringe. I’m righteous like that.

FYP ...

[SDHornet]

Our legislature just passed a law to ban sales of gasoline cars after 2035. Something tells me the grid won't be ready for that influx of EVs hitting the system.

It can if we make wiser choices regarding mass transit, urban planning, lifestyle, etc.

If CA was transitioning to clean nuke power, then sure...but we're not.

[SDHornet]

Yet here we are with decreasing resources, decreasing affordable land but increasing growth…still living in large cities.

Conflicts require resolution. “Fringe” is a subjective term.

Do you deny that the appeal of city living has dropped? I love cities and 3 years ago I would have enjoyed living in downtown Portland. Not anymore. The homeless camps, the risk of my car being broken into, the increased possibility that as a middle-aged white male I could be threatened and attacked because of my "privilege", etc. outweigh by walkability and proximity to restaurants, shows, etc.

FTR, I used our light rail system on a regular basis before the pandemic. I don't think I've used it since and don't plan to.

Yes, conflicts require resolution but resolution frequently requires compromise. The all-or-nothing approach taken by the fringes doesn't allow for compromise. They're absorbed in the righteousness of their cause and will brook no compromise.

"Fringe" is a subjective term just like "centrist" and "center". IMO you have left your post-partisan center and moved to the fringe.

"Fringe" is now being thrown around by the current admin to vilify those that don't follow the group think/narratives. Shit gonna get wild soon.

[UNI88]

Do you deny that the appeal of city living has dropped? I love cities and 3 years ago I would have enjoyed living in downtown Portland. Not anymore. The homeless camps, the risk of my car being broken into, the increased possibility that as a middle-aged white male I could be threatened and attacked because of my "privilege", etc. outweigh by walkability and proximity to restaurants, shows, etc.

FTR, I used our light rail system on a regular basis before the pandemic. I don't think I've used it since and don't plan to.

Yes, conflicts require resolution but resolution frequently requires compromise. The all-or-nothing approach taken by the fringes doesn't allow for compromise. They're absorbed in the righteousness of their cause and will brook no compromise.

"Fringe" is a subjective term just like "centrist" and "center". IMO you have left your post-partisan center and moved to the fringe.

"Fringe" is now being thrown around by the current admin to vilify those that don't follow the group think/narratives. Shit gonna get wild soon.

I think fringe is accurate but 1) it also applies to leftists like AOChe, Omar, kalm, etc. and 2) is not a small percentage of people. All these whackos buying or selling the trump is a victim BS are part of the growing fringe.

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[HI54UNI]

So when you moving to town from your home in the country?

Oh these rules don’t to apply to me, silly.

I’m a privileged gentleman farmer with two gas guzzling cars.

So you're Algore and like 99% of other people preaching this crap.

[kalm]

"Fringe" is now being thrown around by the current admin to vilify those that don't follow the group think/narratives. Shit gonna get wild soon.

I think fringe is accurate but 1) it also applies to leftists like AOChe, Omar, kalm, etc. and 2) is not a small percentage of people. All these whackos buying or selling the trump is a victim BS are part of the growing fringe.

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You forgot Nina Turner…

[kalm]

Do you deny that the appeal of city living has dropped? I love cities and 3 years ago I would have enjoyed living in downtown Portland. Not anymore. The homeless camps, the risk of my car being broken into, the increased possibility that as a middle-aged white male I could be threatened and attacked because of my "privilege", etc. outweigh by walkability and proximity to restaurants, shows, etc.

FTR, I used our light rail system on a regular basis before the pandemic. I don't think I've used it since and don't plan to.

Yes, conflicts require resolution but resolution frequently requires compromise. The all-or-nothing approach taken by the fringes doesn't allow for compromise. They're absorbed in the righteousness of their cause and will brook no compromise.

"Fringe" is a subjective term just like "centrist" and "center". IMO you have left your post-partisan center and moved to the fringe.

"Fringe" is now being thrown around by the current admin to vilify those that don't follow the group think/narratives. Shit gonna get wild soon.

You’re kind of proving his point.

[HI54UNI]

Thousands of Xcel Energy rewards customers were hot after losing control of thermostats

An energy emergency prompted a lockdown, the company says

Thousands of metro area Xcel Energy customers were unable to control their home thermostats earlier this week when temperatures climbed into the 90s.

Voluntary participants in the company’s AC Rewards program allow Xcel to control their “smart” home thermostats during hot summer days when demand for electricity and air conditioning is at a peak.

Typically, program participants “have the ability to opt out of control events at any time,” according to an Xcel description on its website.

On Tuesday, as temperatures rose into the lower 90s in the metro area, Xcel took complete control and locked thermostats because of an “emergency situation.”

“This was a very unique circumstance where we had to call this,” said Emmett Romine, vice president of customer solutions and innovation with Xcel.

More than 22,000 Xcel AC Rewards customers were locked out of their smart thermostats for hours on Tuesday, according to Denver7. On social media, dozens of Xcel customers complained about the experience, with some reporting home temperatures as high as 88 degrees.

Impacted thermostats on Tuesday were locked in a “plus four-degree offset,” Romine said. So, if a customer had the thermostat set turn on air conditioning at 78 degrees, it locked at 82 degrees.

https://www.denverpost.com/2022/09/01/x ... ermostats/

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/c ... -emergency

[HI54UNI]

California grid operator (CAISO) warning of rolling blackouts today and tomorrow.

[houndawg]

Yet here we are with decreasing resources, decreasing affordable land but increasing growth…still living in large cities.

Conflicts require resolution. “Fringe” is a subjective term.

Do you deny that the appeal of city living has dropped? I love cities and 3 years ago I would have enjoyed living in downtown Portland. Not anymore. The homeless camps, the risk of my car being broken into, the increased possibility that as a middle-aged white male I could be threatened and attacked because of my "privilege", etc. outweigh by walkability and proximity to restaurants, shows, etc.

FTR, I used our light rail system on a regular basis before the pandemic. I don't think I've used it since and don't plan to.

Yes, conflicts require resolution but resolution frequently requires compromise. The all-or-nothing approach taken by the fringes doesn't allow for compromise. They're absorbed in the righteousness of their cause and will brook no compromise.

"Fringe" is a subjective term just like "centrist" and "center". IMO you have left your post-partisan center and moved to the fringe.

We have lots of cities, don't give up.

[houndawg]

"Fringe" is now being thrown around by the current admin to vilify those that don't follow the group think/narratives. Shit gonna get wild soon.

I think fringe is accurate but 1) it also applies to leftists like AOChe, Omar, kalm, etc. and 2) is not a small percentage of people. All these whackos buying or selling the trump is a victim BS are part of the growing fringe.

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Looks like a case of tertiary AOCD ....

[BDKJMU]

California grid operator (CAISO) warning of rolling blackouts today and tomorrow.

Also said din’t charge your electroc cars. So the CA grid can’t handle what, 3% of the cars being electric. Yet they want to make 100% of the cars electric. Liberals..

[SDHornet]

Thousands of Xcel Energy rewards customers were hot after losing control of thermostats

An energy emergency prompted a lockdown, the company says

Thousands of metro area Xcel Energy customers were unable to control their home thermostats earlier this week when temperatures climbed into the 90s.

Voluntary participants in the company’s AC Rewards program allow Xcel to control their “smart” home thermostats during hot summer days when demand for electricity and air conditioning is at a peak.

Typically, program participants “have the ability to opt out of control events at any time,” according to an Xcel description on its website.

On Tuesday, as temperatures rose into the lower 90s in the metro area, Xcel took complete control and locked thermostats because of an “emergency situation.”

“This was a very unique circumstance where we had to call this,” said Emmett Romine, vice president of customer solutions and innovation with Xcel.

More than 22,000 Xcel AC Rewards customers were locked out of their smart thermostats for hours on Tuesday, according to Denver7. On social media, dozens of Xcel customers complained about the experience, with some reporting home temperatures as high as 88 degrees.

Impacted thermostats on Tuesday were locked in a “plus four-degree offset,” Romine said. So, if a customer had the thermostat set turn on air conditioning at 78 degrees, it locked at 82 degrees.

https://www.denverpost.com/2022/09/01/x ... ermostats/

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/c ... -emergency

Saw that. Justified my decision to not get a thermostat connected to wifi. Check off another "conspiracy theory" that turned out to come true.

[SDHornet]

California grid operator (CAISO) warning of rolling blackouts today and tomorrow.

Also said din’t charge your electroc cars. So the CA grid can’t handle what, 3% of the cars being electric. Yet they want to make 100% of the cars electric. Liberals..

Leftists are also working on closing the few remaining nuke plants in the state as well. Complete brilliance.

[SDHornet]

Ruh roh, another curve to flatten. Worked out great last time.

[HI54UNI]

Switzerland considers JAILING anyone who heats rooms above 19C (66.2 F) for up to three years if the country is forced to ration gas due to Ukraine war

The country could also give fines of up to 3,000 Swiss Francs (£2,667)
In gas-heated buildings, water could not be heated to more than 60C (140F)
Radiant heaters would be banned and saunas and swimming pools would have to be cold
Likely that the proposed measures will be subject to challenges and disputes

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... n-gas.html

[GannonFan]

Switzerland considers JAILING anyone who heats rooms above 19C (66.2 F) for up to three years if the country is forced to ration gas due to Ukraine war

The country could also give fines of up to 3,000 Swiss Francs (£2,667)
In gas-heated buildings, water could not be heated to more than 60C (140F)
Radiant heaters would be banned and saunas and swimming pools would have to be cold
Likely that the proposed measures will be subject to challenges and disputes

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... n-gas.html

Just what you have to do if you don't do a good job of diversifying your power and heating needs.

[HI54UNI]

Switzerland considers JAILING anyone who heats rooms above 19C (66.2 F) for up to three years if the country is forced to ration gas due to Ukraine war

The country could also give fines of up to 3,000 Swiss Francs (£2,667)
In gas-heated buildings, water could not be heated to more than 60C (140F)
Radiant heaters would be banned and saunas and swimming pools would have to be cold
Likely that the proposed measures will be subject to challenges and disputes

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... n-gas.html

Just what you have to do if you don't do a good job of diversifying your power and heating needs.

And buy energy from a nation that is not your friend.

[Winterborn]

It can if we make wiser choices regarding mass transit, urban planning, lifestyle, etc.

If CA was transitioning to clean nuke power, then sure...but we're not.

In the next 5-10 or so years, life in CA is going to get real interesting (and funny to those not living in CA).

[Winterborn]

Just what you have to do if you don't do a good job of diversifying your power and heating needs.

And buy energy from a nation that is not your friend.

It is what happens when a particular belief enters the realm of quacky religious dogma. Critical thinking goes out the window.

[BDKJMU]

If CA was transitioning to clean nuke power, then sure...but we're not.

In the next 5-10 or so years, life in CA is going to get real interesting (and funny to those not living in CA).

After gaining population for 170 straight years (1850-2019) CA has now lost population for 2 years in a row (2020 & 2021). I bet that continues...

[Winterborn]

Thousands of Xcel Energy rewards customers were hot after losing control of thermostats

An energy emergency prompted a lockdown, the company says

Thousands of metro area Xcel Energy customers were unable to control their home thermostats earlier this week when temperatures climbed into the 90s.

Voluntary participants in the company’s AC Rewards program allow Xcel to control their “smart” home thermostats during hot summer days when demand for electricity and air conditioning is at a peak.

Typically, program participants “have the ability to opt out of control events at any time,” according to an Xcel description on its website.

On Tuesday, as temperatures rose into the lower 90s in the metro area, Xcel took complete control and locked thermostats because of an “emergency situation.”

“This was a very unique circumstance where we had to call this,” said Emmett Romine, vice president of customer solutions and innovation with Xcel.

More than 22,000 Xcel AC Rewards customers were locked out of their smart thermostats for hours on Tuesday, according to Denver7. On social media, dozens of Xcel customers complained about the experience, with some reporting home temperatures as high as 88 degrees.

Impacted thermostats on Tuesday were locked in a “plus four-degree offset,” Romine said. So, if a customer had the thermostat set turn on air conditioning at 78 degrees, it locked at 82 degrees.

https://www.denverpost.com/2022/09/01/x ... ermostats/

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/c ... -emergency

Saw that. Justified my decision to not get a thermostat connected to wifi. Check off another "conspiracy theory" that turned out to come true.

Step one: Don't sign up for the load control program. (was a $25/year savings)

Step two: Hack/Wire a bypass.

[AZGrizFan]

Saw that. Justified my decision to not get a thermostat connected to wifi. Check off another "conspiracy theory" that turned out to come true.

Step one: Don't sign up for the load control program. (was a $25/year savings)

Step two: Hack/Wire a bypass.

Lol. Sold their souls for $25 a year.