Then state what you believe. Here's your chance.UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 12:07 amStrawman. That isn’t what I said at all.SeattleGriz wrote:
I've already explained this. No one gets to heaven through works, and that is not in dispute. That is the ONE version I speak of. You keep pulling the judgmental version of Christianity, which no one agrees with, by acting like any one persons salvation may be at risk because they are "especially" evil. You pass judgement like a champ bro, when you yourself are just as guilty of commiting sin. There are no "levels".
I consider myself Protestant and that's all. Do you know who Paul is in the New Testament? His messages pretty much excoriate the churches of the time because they kept focusing on the law, which you keep doing.
You are simply wrong and too uninformed to know any better StUni.
You have decided that you know what I believe better than I do. That’s pretty judgmental.
How do you know that what you’ve been taught and believe came from god and not man? What if the gnostics, cathari or some other oppressed sect were correct but their teachings were oppressed by men in the early church because they threatened their power?
I’ll make it simple for you OSgBF - what does a despicable person like trump have to do to get into heaven?
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Missed the question on the first post. In what is well accepted, researched by Biblical scholars and agreed across the denominations, is that Trump will get into Heaven if he admits he is a sinner and accepts that Jesus's blood atones for his sins past, present and future. Admitting Jesus died for his sins is what gets Trump and EVERYONE into Heaven. It's a really low bar, but wouldn't you expect that from a good God?UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 12:07 amStrawman. That isn’t what I said at all.SeattleGriz wrote:
I've already explained this. No one gets to heaven through works, and that is not in dispute. That is the ONE version I speak of. You keep pulling the judgmental version of Christianity, which no one agrees with, by acting like any one persons salvation may be at risk because they are "especially" evil. You pass judgement like a champ bro, when you yourself are just as guilty of commiting sin. There are no "levels".
I consider myself Protestant and that's all. Do you know who Paul is in the New Testament? His messages pretty much excoriate the churches of the time because they kept focusing on the law, which you keep doing.
You are simply wrong and too uninformed to know any better StUni.
You have decided that you know what I believe better than I do. That’s pretty judgmental.
How do you know that what you’ve been taught and believe came from god and not man? What if the gnostics, cathari or some other oppressed sect were correct but their teachings were oppressed by men in the early church because they threatened their power?
I’ll make it simple for you OSgBF - what does a despicable person like trump have to do to get into heaven?
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SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 11:05 pmI've already explained this. No one gets to heaven through works, and that is not in dispute. That is the ONE version I speak of. You keep pulling the judgmental version of Christianity, which no one agrees with, by acting like any one persons salvation may be at risk because they are "especially" evil. You pass judgement like a champ bro, when you yourself are just as guilty of commiting sin. There are no "levels".UNI88 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 10:55 pm
There is only one true version of Christianity. The question is - is anyone on earth actually practicing that version? Is it the catholic version? The baptist protestant version? The mormon version? The russian orthodox version? Is it the gnostic version? Is it the cathari version? Or is it some version that no one on earth is actually practicing because humankind is flawed and might have misinterpreted God's words when they first wrote them down thousands of years ago or the leaders of the church bastardized them in their pursuit of power.
The God is tallying up sins and ranking is a strawman argument but keep pushing it if it makes you feel better. I don't think trump is going to burn in hell because he's a sinner. I think he's going to burn in hell because he is incapable of 1) admitting that he has sinned and 2) accepting that God or any other being is greater than himself.
I consider myself Protestant and that's all. Do you know who Paul is in the New Testament? His messages pretty much excoriate the churches of the time because they kept focusing on the law, which you keep doing.
You are simply wrong and too uninformed to know any better StUni.
...highlighted above is the kernel of truth in yet another of your half-witted bloviations. It's like this, Mildred: when they put you in the ground, that's where you stay. And no hardware => no software.
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Who asked you to embarrass yourself.houndawg wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 2:06 amSeattleGriz wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 11:05 pm
I've already explained this. No one gets to heaven through works, and that is not in dispute. That is the ONE version I speak of. You keep pulling the judgmental version of Christianity, which no one agrees with, by acting like any one persons salvation may be at risk because they are "especially" evil. You pass judgement like a champ bro, when you yourself are just as guilty of commiting sin. There are no "levels".
I consider myself Protestant and that's all. Do you know who Paul is in the New Testament? His messages pretty much excoriate the churches of the time because they kept focusing on the law, which you keep doing.
You are simply wrong and too uninformed to know any better StUni.
...highlighted above is the kernel of truth in yet another of your half-witted bloviations. It's like this, Mildred: when they put you in the ground, that's where you stay. And no hardware => no software.
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.....you're the one selling fairy tales
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.....and backed up by zero first-hand information (just like the rest of the recycled Egyptian sun god myth). Thats the slick part: can't fact-check the middleman because what he's pushing never existed.SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 1:06 amMissed the question on the first post. In what is well accepted, researched by Biblical scholars and agreed across the denominations, is that Trump will get into Heaven if he admits he is a sinner and accepts that Jesus's blood atones for his sins past, present and future. Admitting Jesus died for his sins is what gets Trump and EVERYONE into Heaven. It's a really low bar, but wouldn't you expect that from a good God?UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 12:07 am
Strawman. That isn’t what I said at all.
You have decided that you know what I believe better than I do. That’s pretty judgmental.
How do you know that what you’ve been taught and believe came from god and not man? What if the gnostics, cathari or some other oppressed sect were correct but their teachings were oppressed by men in the early church because they threatened their power?
I’ll make it simple for you OSgBF - what does a despicable person like trump have to do to get into heaven?![]()
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So simply accepting Jesus enables you to do anything on earth?SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 1:06 amMissed the question on the first post. In what is well accepted, researched by Biblical scholars and agreed across the denominations, is that Trump will get into Heaven if he admits he is a sinner and accepts that Jesus's blood atones for his sins past, present and future. Admitting Jesus died for his sins is what gets Trump and EVERYONE into Heaven. It's a really low bar, but wouldn't you expect that from a good God?UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 12:07 am
Strawman. That isn’t what I said at all.
You have decided that you know what I believe better than I do. That’s pretty judgmental.
How do you know that what you’ve been taught and believe came from god and not man? What if the gnostics, cathari or some other oppressed sect were correct but their teachings were oppressed by men in the early church because they threatened their power?
I’ll make it simple for you OSgBF - what does a despicable person like trump have to do to get into heaven?![]()
That sounds like enabling god rather than a good god.
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What I posted compared (bolded) to what you posted (italicized) ...SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 1:06 amMissed the question on the first post. In what is well accepted, researched by Biblical scholars and agreed across the denominations, is that Trump will get into Heaven if he admits he is a sinner and accepts that Jesus's blood atones for his sins past, present and future. Admitting Jesus died for his sins is what gets Trump and EVERYONE into Heaven. It's a really low bar, but wouldn't you expect that from a good God?UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 12:07 am Strawman. That isn’t what I said at all.
You have decided that you know what I believe better than I do. That’s pretty judgmental.
How do you know that what you’ve been taught and believe came from god and not man? What if the gnostics, cathari or some other oppressed sect were correct but their teachings were oppressed by men in the early church because they threatened their power?
I’ll make it simple for you OSgBF - what does a despicable person like trump have to do to get into heaven?![]()
I think trump is going to burn in hell because he is incapable of / Trump will get into Heaven if he
1) admitting that he has sinned / admits he is a sinner
2) accepting that God or any other being is greater than himself / accepts that Jesus's blood atones for his sins past, present and future (you left out that he has to accept Jesus as his lord and savior)
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Surgical precision.UNI88 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 8:50 amWhat I posted compared (bolded) to what you posted (italicized) ...SeattleGriz wrote: ↑Thu Dec 14, 2023 1:06 am
Missed the question on the first post. In what is well accepted, researched by Biblical scholars and agreed across the denominations, is that Trump will get into Heaven if he admits he is a sinner and accepts that Jesus's blood atones for his sins past, present and future. Admitting Jesus died for his sins is what gets Trump and EVERYONE into Heaven. It's a really low bar, but wouldn't you expect that from a good God?![]()
I think trump is going to burn in hell because he is incapable of / Trump will get into Heaven if he
1) admitting that he has sinned / admits he is a sinner
2) accepting that God or any other being is greater than himself / accepts that Jesus's blood atones for his sins past, present and future (you left out that he has to accept Jesus as his lord and savior)
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