The Ukraine Crisis

[BDKJMU]

It’s in the video.

Yeah, it's Trump recalling his negotiations with our deadbeat NATO friends that can't even be bothered to put their fair share into the pot.

They've been a huge help in providing weaponry to Ukraine. Pfft. Heaven forbid they actually pay their bill.

Yep. I have no problem saying we aren’t going to defend deadbeat nations who have the American taxpayer subsize their welfare states by paying for their defense because they refuse to do it themselves.

[BDKJMU]

You get summoned to Russia to conduct an "interview" and then, just like Trump in Helsinki, you sit there doing nothing for like 30 minutes while Putin talks about Russian history from its beginning. After which he turns to you and stresses how lucky US Intelligence community was that they rejected Tucker's attempt to join them...

One journalist described Putin's demeanor as that of "..somebody trying to explain Algebra to a goat.."

[kalm]

This is highly accurate. Thank you.

[UNI88]

Yeah, it's Trump recalling his negotiations with our deadbeat NATO friends that can't even be bothered to put their fair share into the pot.

They've been a huge help in providing weaponry to Ukraine. Pfft. Heaven forbid they actually pay their bill.

Yep. I have no problem saying we aren’t going to defend deadbeat nations who have the American taxpayer subsize their welfare states by paying for their defense because they refuse to do it themselves.

I know it isn't NATO funding but this is the Ukraine thread ..



The nations most concerned about future russian aggression are contributing the most as a % of their GDP

[UNI88]

What does this have to do with Trump threatening to break treaties and openly side with the fellow neo-fascists?

At this point, why would anyone listen to anything said by someone using “Bidenwins” as a username… embarrassing

I believe that SG would call this an ad hominem attack.

[UNI88]

Some solid dot connecting here.

At stake behind this fight is not only control of the Republican Party, but also the role of the U.S. in the world—and, for that matter, its standing. And much of that fight comes down to Ukraine’s attempt to resist Russia’s invasions of 2014 and 2022.

Russian president Vladimir Putin is intent on dismantling the rules-based international order of norms and values developed after World War II. Under this system, international organizations such as the United Nations provide places to resolve international disputes, prevent territorial wars, and end no-holds-barred slaughter through a series of agreements, including the United Nations Charter, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the U.N. Genocide Convention, and the Geneva Conventions on the laws of war.

Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, deliberate targeting of civilian populations, and war crimes are his way of thumbing his nose at the established order and demanding a different one, in which men like him dominate the globe.

Trump’s ties to Russia are deep and well documented, including by the Senate Intelligence Committee, which was dominated by Republicans when it concluded that Trump’s 2016 campaign team had worked with Russian operatives. In November 2022, in the New York Times Magazine, Jim Rutenberg pulled together testimony given both to Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation and the Senate Intelligence Committee, transcripts from the impeachment hearings, and recent memoirs.

Rutenberg showed that in 2016, Russian operatives had presented to Trump advisor and later campaign manager Paul Manafort a plan “for the creation of an autonomous republic in Ukraine’s east, giving Putin effective control of the country’s industrial heartland, where Kremlin-armed, -funded, and -directed ‘separatists’ were waging a two-year-old shadow war that had left nearly 10,000 dead.”

But they were concerned that the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) might stand in their way. Formed in 1947 to stand against Soviet expansion and now standing against Russian aggression, NATO is a collective security alliance of 31 states that have agreed to consider an attack on any member to be an attack on all.

In exchange for weakening NATO, undermining the U.S. stance in favor of Ukraine in its attempt to throw off the Russians who had invaded in 2014, and removing U.S. sanctions from Russian entities, Russian operatives were willing to put their finger on the scales to help Trump win the White House.

When he was in office, Trump did, in fact, try to weaken NATO—as well as other international organizations like the World Health Organization—and promised he would pull the U.S. out of NATO in a second term, effectively killing it. Rutenberg noted that Russia’s February 2022 invasion of Ukraine looks a lot like an attempt to achieve the plan it suggested in 2016. But because there was a different president in the U.S., that invasion did not yield the results Putin expected.

https://open.substack.com/pub/heatherco ... paign=post

How is substack different from some of the sites that SG likes to quote from?

It might be a good idea when quoting from such sites to give a little info about the author to help demonstrate their bonafides. Heather Cox Richardson is a professor of history at Boston College.

[BDKJMU]

Yep. I have no problem saying we aren’t going to defend deadbeat nations who have the American taxpayer subsize their welfare states by paying for their defense because they refuse to do it themselves.

I know it isn't NATO funding but this is the Ukraine thread ..



The nations most concerned about future russian aggression are contributing the most as a % of their GDP

https://app.23degrees.io/view/tAuBi41Lx ... _csv_final
https://www.statista.com/statistics/130 ... o-ukraine/

[kalm]

Some solid dot connecting here.



https://open.substack.com/pub/heatherco ... paign=post

How is substack different from some of the sites that SG likes to quote from?

It might be a good idea when quoting from such sites to give a little info about the author to help demonstrate their bonafides. Heather Cox Richardson is a professor of history at Boston College.

Substack is a platform for writers. Substack articles should be regarded with healthy skepticism like everything else.

HCR is a well known writer and very active on Twitter as well. I didn’t think she’d require an introduction. My bad.

[UNI88]

I know it isn't NATO funding but this is the Ukraine thread ..



The nations most concerned about future russian aggression are contributing the most as a % of their GDP

https://app.23degrees.io/view/tAuBi41Lx ... _csv_final
https://www.statista.com/statistics/130 ... o-ukraine/

I used % of GDP because it gives a better idea of how much a country is giving. No rational person would expect Estonia to give nearly as much as the US but the fact that they're giving nearly 4 times as much as the US as a percentage of their GDP demonstrates their commitment.

[SeattleGriz]

Some solid dot connecting here.



https://open.substack.com/pub/heatherco ... paign=post

How is substack different from some of the sites that SG likes to quote from?

It might be a good idea when quoting from such sites to give a little info about the author to help demonstrate their bonafides. Heather Cox Richardson is a professor of history at Boston College.

Yes, your Leftist media sources are so spot on and have impeccable bonafides! Puhleaze.

[Caribbean Hen]

How is substack different from some of the sites that SG likes to quote from?

It might be a good idea when quoting from such sites to give a little info about the author to help demonstrate their bonafides. Heather Cox Richardson is a professor of history at Boston College.

Substack is a platform for writers. Substack articles should be regarded with healthy skepticism like everything else.

HCR is a well known writer and very active on Twitter as well. I didn’t think she’d require an introduction. My bad.

Hipster Kalm thinks everyone spends all day at Starbucks scrolling Twitter No

[UNI88]

How is substack different from some of the sites that SG likes to quote from?

It might be a good idea when quoting from such sites to give a little info about the author to help demonstrate their bonafides. Heather Cox Richardson is a professor of history at Boston College.

Yes, your Leftist media sources are so spot on and have impeccable bonafides! Puhleaze.

My "leftist" media sources?

I'm not a leftist, I read a variety of sources and I focus on credibility rather than ideology. You should try it sometime.

[Caribbean Hen]

https://app.23degrees.io/view/tAuBi41Lx ... _csv_final
https://www.statista.com/statistics/130 ... o-ukraine/

I used % of GDP because it gives a better idea of how much a country is giving. No rational person would expect Estonia to give nearly as much as the US but the fact that they're giving nearly 4 times as much as the US as a percentage of their GDP demonstrates their commitment.

Or no Dem plantations that keep people down

And

More to lose

[kalm]

Yes, your Leftist media sources are so spot on and have impeccable bonafides! Puhleaze.

My "leftist" media sources?

I'm not a leftist, I read a variety of sources and I focus on credibility rather than ideology. You should try it sometime.

Liar! We know you get all your info from Utne Reader and Democracy Now!

[BDKJMU]

https://app.23degrees.io/view/tAuBi41Lx ... _csv_final
https://www.statista.com/statistics/130 ... o-ukraine/

I used % of GDP because it gives a better idea of how much a country is giving. No rational person would expect Estonia to give nearly as much as the US but the fact that they're giving nearly 4 times as much as the US as a percentage of their GDP demonstrates their commitment.

The more fair way would be per capita.

[houndawg]

It’s in the video.

Well I won’t be watching it and I’m pretty sure I mentioned the reason why

Because you got all "C"s in school?


I kid, I kid...

[houndawg]

Some solid dot connecting here.

At stake behind this fight is not only control of the Republican Party, but also the role of the U.S. in the world—and, for that matter, its standing. And much of that fight comes down to Ukraine’s attempt to resist Russia’s invasions of 2014 and 2022.

Russian president Vladimir Putin is intent on dismantling the rules-based international order of norms and values developed after World War II. Under this system, international organizations such as the United Nations provide places to resolve international disputes, prevent territorial wars, and end no-holds-barred slaughter through a series of agreements, including the United Nations Charter, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the U.N. Genocide Convention, and the Geneva Conventions on the laws of war.

Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, deliberate targeting of civilian populations, and war crimes are his way of thumbing his nose at the established order and demanding a different one, in which men like him dominate the globe.

Trump’s ties to Russia are deep and well documented, including by the Senate Intelligence Committee, which was dominated by Republicans when it concluded that Trump’s 2016 campaign team had worked with Russian operatives. In November 2022, in the New York Times Magazine, Jim Rutenberg pulled together testimony given both to Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation and the Senate Intelligence Committee, transcripts from the impeachment hearings, and recent memoirs.

Rutenberg showed that in 2016, Russian operatives had presented to Trump advisor and later campaign manager Paul Manafort a plan “for the creation of an autonomous republic in Ukraine’s east, giving Putin effective control of the country’s industrial heartland, where Kremlin-armed, -funded, and -directed ‘separatists’ were waging a two-year-old shadow war that had left nearly 10,000 dead.”

But they were concerned that the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) might stand in their way. Formed in 1947 to stand against Soviet expansion and now standing against Russian aggression, NATO is a collective security alliance of 31 states that have agreed to consider an attack on any member to be an attack on all.

In exchange for weakening NATO, undermining the U.S. stance in favor of Ukraine in its attempt to throw off the Russians who had invaded in 2014, and removing U.S. sanctions from Russian entities, Russian operatives were willing to put their finger on the scales to help Trump win the White House.

When he was in office, Trump did, in fact, try to weaken NATO—as well as other international organizations like the World Health Organization—and promised he would pull the U.S. out of NATO in a second term, effectively killing it. Rutenberg noted that Russia’s February 2022 invasion of Ukraine looks a lot like an attempt to achieve the plan it suggested in 2016. But because there was a different president in the U.S., that invasion did not yield the results Putin expected.

https://open.substack.com/pub/heatherco ... paign=post

Called this one a long time ago right here....hey SG ....in yo face

[BDKJMU]

You get summoned to Russia to conduct an "interview" and then, just like Trump in Helsinki, you sit there doing nothing for like 30 minutes while Putin talks about Russian history from its beginning. After which he turns to you and stresses how lucky US Intelligence community was that they rejected Tucker's attempt to join them...

One journalist described Putin's demeanor as that of "..somebody trying to explain Algebra to a goat.."

[BDKJMU]

You get summoned to Russia to conduct an "interview" and then, just like Trump in Helsinki, you sit there doing nothing for like 30 minutes while Putin talks about Russian history from its beginning. After which he turns to you and stresses how lucky US Intelligence community was that they rejected Tucker's attempt to join them...

One journalist described Putin's demeanor as that of "..somebody trying to explain Algebra to a goat.."

As opposed to this ‘journalism’?

[kalm]

As opposed to this ‘journalism’?

I’m not sure you realize this, but the Russians are the baddies here. As are those who support them.

[UNI88]

It’s in the video.

Yeah, it's Trump recalling his negotiations with our deadbeat NATO friends that can't even be bothered to put their fair share into the pot.

They've been a huge help in providing weaponry to Ukraine. Pfft. Heaven forbid they actually pay their bill.

trump ...

"You don't pay your bills, you get no protection. It's very simple,"

Also trump ...

Hundreds allege Donald Trump doesn’t pay his bills

At least 60 lawsuits, along with hundreds of liens, judgments, and other government filings reviewed by the USA TODAY NETWORK, document people who have accused Trump and his businesses of failing to pay them for their work. Among them: a dishwasher in Florida. A glass company in New Jersey. A carpet company. A plumber. Painters. Forty-eight waiters. Dozens of bartenders and other hourly workers at his resorts and clubs, coast to coast. Real estate brokers who sold his properties. And, ironically, several law firms that once represented him in these suits and others.

Game recognizes game, deadbeat recognizes deadbeat.

[BDKJMU]

Yeah, it's Trump recalling his negotiations with our deadbeat NATO friends that can't even be bothered to put their fair share into the pot.

They've been a huge help in providing weaponry to Ukraine. Pfft. Heaven forbid they actually pay their bill.

trump ...

"You don't pay your bills, you get no protection. It's very simple,"

Also trump ...

Hundreds allege Donald Trump doesn’t pay his bills

At least 60 lawsuits, along with hundreds of liens, judgments, and other government filings reviewed by the USA TODAY NETWORK, document people who have accused Trump and his businesses of failing to pay them for their work. Among them: a dishwasher in Florida. A glass company in New Jersey. A carpet company. A plumber. Painters. Forty-eight waiters. Dozens of bartenders and other hourly workers at his resorts and clubs, coast to coast. Real estate brokers who sold his properties. And, ironically, several law firms that once represented him in these suits and others.

Game recognizes game, deadbeat recognizes deadbeat.

[SeattleGriz]

trump ...


Also trump ...

Hundreds allege Donald Trump doesn’t pay his bills


Game recognizes game, deadbeat recognizes deadbeat.

No shit. Frothing at the mouth Joe Biden extremism. Can't even put out a cogent sentence.

The third rule is incoherency.

[UNI88]

No shit. Frothing at the mouth Joe Biden extremism. Can't even put out a cogent sentence.

The third rule is incoherency.

I'm sorry you refuse to open your eyes and see the Irony (i.e. hypocrisy) of trump criticizing anyone for not paying their bills.

[SeattleGriz]

No shit. Frothing at the mouth Joe Biden extremism. Can't even put out a cogent sentence.

The third rule is incoherency.

I'm sorry you refuse to open your eyes and see the Irony (i.e. hypocrisy) of trump criticizing anyone for not paying their bills.

Holy shit. When specifically called out, you keep going back. Lazy ass. Absolutely no intellectual curiosity.