Trump vs Harris

[BDKJMU]

[SeattleGriz]

Pence is not running for President

Pulled the rug right out from underneath Klan.

[kalm]

Pence is not running for President

Pulled the rug right out from underneath Klan.

CH level perceptive right here. ^

[kalm]

For those offended at Trump being considered a fascist….

In her discussion with host Anderson Cooper, Harris focused on the reiteration yesterday by Trump’s longest-serving White House chief of staff, retired U.S. Marine Corps general John Kelly, that Trump had spoken admiringly of Adolf Hitler and expressed a desire to have generals like Hitler’s. In an interview with the New York Times, Kelly said Trump “met the definition of a fascist, would govern like a dictator if allowed, and had no understanding of the Constitution or the concept of rule of law.”

The ideology of fascism is associated with Italian journalist and politician Benito Mussolini, who articulated a new political ideology in the 1920s. Mussolini had been a socialist as a young man and had grown frustrated at how hard it was to organize people. No matter what socialists tried, they seemed unable to convince their neighbors that they must rise up and take over the country’s means of production. The efficiency of World War I inspired Mussolini to give up on socialism and develop a new political theory.

Mussolini rejected the equality that defined democracy and came to believe that some men were better than others. Those few must lead, taking a nation forward by directing the actions of the rest. They must organize the people as they had during wartime, ruthlessly suppressing all opposition and directing the economy so that business and politicians worked together. Logically, that select group of leaders would elevate a single man, who would become an all-powerful dictator. To weld their followers into an efficient machine, they demonized opponents into an “other” that their followers could hate.

This hierarchical system of government was called “fascism” after the bundle of rods tied around an axe that was the ancient Roman symbol of authority and power. Italy adopted it, and Mussolini’s ideas inspired others, notably Germany’s Adolf Hitler. These leaders believed that their new system would reclaim a glorious past with the ideology of the future, welding pure men into a military and social machine that moved all as one, while pure women supported society as mothers. They set out to eliminate those who didn’t fit their model and to destroy the messy, inefficient democracy that stood in their way.

But while today we associate fascism with this European movement, its foundational principle—that some men are better than others and have the right and even the duty to rule over the majority—runs parallel to that same strand in United States history. Indeed, Nazi lawyers and judges turned to America’s Jim Crow laws for inspiration, and Hitler looked to America’s Indigenous reservations as a way to rid a country of “unwanted” people.

For retired Marine general John Kelly to have spoken out against Trump before the 2024 election was a huge deal. As Secretary Buttigieg put it: “It’s one thing for some leftist group to call you a fascist. Quite another when it’s a fellow Republican. And absolutely astonishing when it’s your own chief of staff.” But Kelly was not alone. Former chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley told veteran journalist Bob Woodward that Trump is “fascist to the core.”

In tonight’s CNN town hall, Vice President Harris told Cooper that she agreed that Trump is a fascist. She noted that when a four-star Marine general comes out two weeks before an election to warn Americans that one of the candidates is a fascist, we should see this as “a 911 call to the American people.”

Trump is “increasingly unstable,” Harris said, “and unfit to serve…. [T]he people who know Donald Trump best, the people who worked with him in the White House, in the Situation Room, in the Oval Office, all Republicans by the way, who served in his administration, his former chief of staff, his national security advisor, former secretaries of defense, and his vice president have all called him unfit and dangerous. They have said explicitly he has contempt for the Constitution of the United States. They have said he should never again serve as President of the United States,” she said.

When Trump talks about “the enemy within,” Harris said, “ [h]e's talking about the American people. He's talking about journalists, judges, nonpartisan election officials…. And he's going to sit there unstable, unhinged, plotting his revenge, plotting his retribution. Creating an enemies list.” In contrast, she said, she would have a “to-do list” to work on the things that matter to the American people.

When Trump responded to Kelly’s claims, he appeared to confuse Kelly, who was retired when Trump chose him to serve as White House chief of staff, and Mark Milley, the active-duty chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Trump referred to four-star general Kelly, whose son died in Afghanistan, as “tough and dumb,” a “LOWLIFE, and a bad General,” but then went on to talk of him as active duty and to say he stopped seeking his advice in the White House.

Forced to comment on Kelly’s comment about Trump’s embracing fascism, Republican leaders are either ducking the question or acting as if it is not a big deal. On CNN this morning, New Hampshire governor Chris Sununu said the news that Trump has praised Hitler will not affect Sununu’s support. “If we can get a Republican mindset out of Washington,” he said, “we need that culture change.”

At a rally tonight in Macon, Georgia, Trump agreed with the audience as it chanted: “Lock him up.” “You should lock them up,” Trump said. “Lock up the Bidens. Lock up Hillary. Lock ‘em up.”

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[UNI88]

Pence is not running for President

Pulled the rug right out from underneath Klan.

[Caribbean Hen]

She's just as dumb as the people voting for her

good grief, some kid who I can't remember his name right now, was in Philly yesterday asking random people who they were voting for

several think the assassination attempt on Trump was staged and too many other doozies to post, he asked so where do you get your news? MSNBC and CNN

[UNI88]

For those offended at Trump being considered a fascist….

In her discussion with host Anderson Cooper, Harris focused on the reiteration yesterday by Trump’s longest-serving White House chief of staff, retired U.S. Marine Corps general John Kelly, that Trump had spoken admiringly of Adolf Hitler and expressed a desire to have generals like Hitler’s. In an interview with the New York Times, Kelly said Trump “met the definition of a fascist, would govern like a dictator if allowed, and had no understanding of the Constitution or the concept of rule of law.”

The ideology of fascism is associated with Italian journalist and politician Benito Mussolini, who articulated a new political ideology in the 1920s. Mussolini had been a socialist as a young man and had grown frustrated at how hard it was to organize people. No matter what socialists tried, they seemed unable to convince their neighbors that they must rise up and take over the country’s means of production. The efficiency of World War I inspired Mussolini to give up on socialism and develop a new political theory.

Mussolini rejected the equality that defined democracy and came to believe that some men were better than others. Those few must lead, taking a nation forward by directing the actions of the rest. They must organize the people as they had during wartime, ruthlessly suppressing all opposition and directing the economy so that business and politicians worked together. Logically, that select group of leaders would elevate a single man, who would become an all-powerful dictator. To weld their followers into an efficient machine, they demonized opponents into an “other” that their followers could hate.

This hierarchical system of government was called “fascism” after the bundle of rods tied around an axe that was the ancient Roman symbol of authority and power. Italy adopted it, and Mussolini’s ideas inspired others, notably Germany’s Adolf Hitler. These leaders believed that their new system would reclaim a glorious past with the ideology of the future, welding pure men into a military and social machine that moved all as one, while pure women supported society as mothers. They set out to eliminate those who didn’t fit their model and to destroy the messy, inefficient democracy that stood in their way.

But while today we associate fascism with this European movement, its foundational principle—that some men are better than others and have the right and even the duty to rule over the majority—runs parallel to that same strand in United States history. Indeed, Nazi lawyers and judges turned to America’s Jim Crow laws for inspiration, and Hitler looked to America’s Indigenous reservations as a way to rid a country of “unwanted” people.

For retired Marine general John Kelly to have spoken out against Trump before the 2024 election was a huge deal. As Secretary Buttigieg put it: “It’s one thing for some leftist group to call you a fascist. Quite another when it’s a fellow Republican. And absolutely astonishing when it’s your own chief of staff.” But Kelly was not alone. Former chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley told veteran journalist Bob Woodward that Trump is “fascist to the core.”

In tonight’s CNN town hall, Vice President Harris told Cooper that she agreed that Trump is a fascist. She noted that when a four-star Marine general comes out two weeks before an election to warn Americans that one of the candidates is a fascist, we should see this as “a 911 call to the American people.”

Trump is “increasingly unstable,” Harris said, “and unfit to serve…. [T]he people who know Donald Trump best, the people who worked with him in the White House, in the Situation Room, in the Oval Office, all Republicans by the way, who served in his administration, his former chief of staff, his national security advisor, former secretaries of defense, and his vice president have all called him unfit and dangerous. They have said explicitly he has contempt for the Constitution of the United States. They have said he should never again serve as President of the United States,” she said.

When Trump talks about “the enemy within,” Harris said, “ [h]e's talking about the American people. He's talking about journalists, judges, nonpartisan election officials…. And he's going to sit there unstable, unhinged, plotting his revenge, plotting his retribution. Creating an enemies list.” In contrast, she said, she would have a “to-do list” to work on the things that matter to the American people.

When Trump responded to Kelly’s claims, he appeared to confuse Kelly, who was retired when Trump chose him to serve as White House chief of staff, and Mark Milley, the active-duty chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Trump referred to four-star general Kelly, whose son died in Afghanistan, as “tough and dumb,” a “LOWLIFE, and a bad General,” but then went on to talk of him as active duty and to say he stopped seeking his advice in the White House.

Forced to comment on Kelly’s comment about Trump’s embracing fascism, Republican leaders are either ducking the question or acting as if it is not a big deal. On CNN this morning, New Hampshire governor Chris Sununu said the news that Trump has praised Hitler will not affect Sununu’s support. “If we can get a Republican mindset out of Washington,” he said, “we need that culture change.”

At a rally tonight in Macon, Georgia, Trump agreed with the audience as it chanted: “Lock him up.” “You should lock them up,” Trump said. “Lock up the Bidens. Lock up Hillary. Lock ‘em up.”

https://open.substack.com/pub/heatherco ... dium=email

doneOLD will try to defuse this by discrediting Kelly and others and he'll mention that the majority of his staffers still support him. The fact that so many don't and that many of those were in key roles is mind-blowing. The statements they've made when discussing DONEold's unfitness for office is mind-blowing.

[GannonFan]

For those offended at Trump being considered a fascist….

I don't understand this as a campaign move. Whether Trump is a fascist or not doesn't in anyway help advance Harris's position as the candidate. It moves the conversation and attention to Trump, which is where he wants it, it invigorates his supporters who see collusion and conspiracy everywhere, and it pushes Harris and any ideas she may have out of the picture. When she should be making the closing arguments over abortion and women's health care, for instance, she's abandoning that to say that Trump is Hitler. It's a losing strategy and reeks of desperation. If you can't run on who you are then you won't get enough people to vote for you. It's a strange and likely defeatist approach in the last days of a campaign.

As for the fascism, it's two questions, 1) is he, and 2) does it matter? As for the first one, sure if you want to bend the definition of fascism, which itself isn't even very well defined, you could tag him as such. But on the big things of fascism, i.e. government control of the economy, push for racial purity, and at least under Hitler, the systematic eradication/genocide of an entire race of people, the marshalling of the military to be beholden to the one leader, the desire to push beyond our borders militarily to expand our power, I don't see it. Is he a good guy? Absolutely not. Would he take on the mantle of a fascist dictator if he could? Maybe. Seems like a lot of heavy lifting for a guy not known for ideological pursuits. As for the second one, the beauty of this country, with our Constitution, with our rule of law, with our federalism (i.e. 50 states), with our volunteer and professional armed forces, and with our checks and balances, there really isn't a great possibility of someone ascending to dictator status. If Trump wins in a couple of weeks, come January 2029, he'll leave the White House and only ever come back on the public tour. Nothing he can do while in office will change that. While he's in power, just like his first term, he'll be limited by the scope of the office, and by the other branches of government, courts, and states, that limited him the first time. Heck, in two years the attention will shift away from the lame-duck status that Trump will have, made even more so by his advancing age, and we'll be talking about all the contenders for the office in the 2028 election. He may win in a couple of weeks, but the clock is already ticking on moving past Trump.

[Caribbean Hen]

in a way, Harris should be the one that has to clean up her own mess.... and it's a big ugly mess. Can this nervous wreck be the Commander and Chief? Biden has been wrong about everything foreign policy going back 4 decades and the bad guys of the world saw him for exactly what he was, a weak clown and they will certainly see Scamala as one. I've told my son to be prepared to deploy because something is going to break.

[UNI88]

in a way, Harris should be the one that has to clean up her own mess.... and it's a big ugly mess. Can this nervous wreck be the Commander and Chief? Biden has been wrong about everything foreign policy going back 4 decades and the bad guys of the world saw him for exactly what he was, a weak clown and they will certainly see Scamala as one. I've told my son to be prepared to deploy because something is going to break.

In that same way, biden inherited a mess from doneOLD.

[UNI88]

For those offended at Trump being considered a fascist….

I don't understand this as a campaign move. Whether Trump is a fascist or not doesn't in anyway help advance Harris's position as the candidate. It moves the conversation and attention to Trump, which is where he wants it, it invigorates his supporters who see collusion and conspiracy everywhere, and it pushes Harris and any ideas she may have out of the picture. When she should be making the closing arguments over abortion and women's health care, for instance, she's abandoning that to say that Trump is Hitler. It's a losing strategy and reeks of desperation. If you can't run on who you are then you won't get enough people to vote for you. It's a strange and likely defeatist approach in the last days of a campaign.

As for the fascism, it's two questions, 1) is he, and 2) does it matter? As for the first one, sure if you want to bend the definition of fascism, which itself isn't even very well defined, you could tag him as such. But on the big things of fascism, i.e. government control of the economy, push for racial purity, and at least under Hitler, the systematic eradication/genocide of an entire race of people, the marshalling of the military to be beholden to the one leader, the desire to push beyond our borders militarily to expand our power, I don't see it. Is he a good guy? Absolutely not. Would he take on the mantle of a fascist dictator if he could? Maybe. Seems like a lot of heavy lifting for a guy not known for ideological pursuits. As for the second one, the beauty of this country, with our Constitution, with our rule of law, with our federalism (i.e. 50 states), with our volunteer and professional armed forces, and with our checks and balances, there really isn't a great possibility of someone ascending to dictator status. If Trump wins in a couple of weeks, come January 2029, he'll leave the White House and only ever come back on the public tour. Nothing he can do while in office will change that. While he's in power, just like his first term, he'll be limited by the scope of the office, and by the other branches of government, courts, and states, that limited him the first time. Heck, in two years the attention will shift away from the lame-duck status that Trump will have, made even more so by his advancing age, and we'll be talking about all the contenders for the office in the 2028 election. He may win in a couple of weeks, but the clock is already ticking on moving past Trump.

Calling doneOLD a fascist might be red meat to many in the progressive wing of the party but I'm not sure if it appeals to moderate/independent voters in the swing states. And I'm not sure it overcomes any reluctance by pro-hamas type progressives to get out and vote for harris.

As far as DONEold being a fascist. He definitely has fascist tendencies:
- wanting generals who are loyal to him not the Constitution
- threatening to use the military against American citizens/the enemy within
- dictator for one day
- many elements of project 2025
- weird focus on genetics ("we got a lot of bad genes in our country right now")

There is no doubt in my mind that he would take the mantle of a dictator if he could. I don't know if it would be a fully fascist dictatorship or just a cult of personality.

If elected, he will challenge those checks and balances and rage against them when they prevent him from doing what he wants.

[kalm]

For those offended at Trump being considered a fascist….

I don't understand this as a campaign move. Whether Trump is a fascist or not doesn't in anyway help advance Harris's position as the candidate. It moves the conversation and attention to Trump, which is where he wants it, it invigorates his supporters who see collusion and conspiracy everywhere, and it pushes Harris and any ideas she may have out of the picture. When she should be making the closing arguments over abortion and women's health care, for instance, she's abandoning that to say that Trump is Hitler. It's a losing strategy and reeks of desperation. If you can't run on who you are then you won't get enough people to vote for you. It's a strange and likely defeatist approach in the last days of a campaign.

As for the fascism, it's two questions, 1) is he, and 2) does it matter? As for the first one, sure if you want to bend the definition of fascism, which itself isn't even very well defined, you could tag him as such. But on the big things of fascism, i.e. government control of the economy, push for racial purity, and at least under Hitler, the systematic eradication/genocide of an entire race of people, the marshalling of the military to be beholden to the one leader, the desire to push beyond our borders militarily to expand our power, I don't see it. Is he a good guy? Absolutely not. Would he take on the mantle of a fascist dictator if he could? Maybe. Seems like a lot of heavy lifting for a guy not known for ideological pursuits. As for the second one, the beauty of this country, with our Constitution, with our rule of law, with our federalism (i.e. 50 states), with our volunteer and professional armed forces, and with our checks and balances, there really isn't a great possibility of someone ascending to dictator status. If Trump wins in a couple of weeks, come January 2029, he'll leave the White House and only ever come back on the public tour. Nothing he can do while in office will change that. While he's in power, just like his first term, he'll be limited by the scope of the office, and by the other branches of government, courts, and states, that limited him the first time. Heck, in two years the attention will shift away from the lame-duck status that Trump will have, made even more so by his advancing age, and we'll be talking about all the contenders for the office in the 2028 election. He may win in a couple of weeks, but the clock is already ticking on moving past Trump.

Does having a fascist leader “matter”?

Now let me go list many of the fascist things Trump and company have literally spoken and aspired to as proof!

[Caribbean Hen]

Pulled the rug right out from underneath Klan.

CH level perceptive right here. ^

Hey Clam Bake

We got your silly point but ignored it just to show you how dumb it was

[GannonFan]

I don't understand this as a campaign move. Whether Trump is a fascist or not doesn't in anyway help advance Harris's position as the candidate. It moves the conversation and attention to Trump, which is where he wants it, it invigorates his supporters who see collusion and conspiracy everywhere, and it pushes Harris and any ideas she may have out of the picture. When she should be making the closing arguments over abortion and women's health care, for instance, she's abandoning that to say that Trump is Hitler. It's a losing strategy and reeks of desperation. If you can't run on who you are then you won't get enough people to vote for you. It's a strange and likely defeatist approach in the last days of a campaign.

As for the fascism, it's two questions, 1) is he, and 2) does it matter? As for the first one, sure if you want to bend the definition of fascism, which itself isn't even very well defined, you could tag him as such. But on the big things of fascism, i.e. government control of the economy, push for racial purity, and at least under Hitler, the systematic eradication/genocide of an entire race of people, the marshalling of the military to be beholden to the one leader, the desire to push beyond our borders militarily to expand our power, I don't see it. Is he a good guy? Absolutely not. Would he take on the mantle of a fascist dictator if he could? Maybe. Seems like a lot of heavy lifting for a guy not known for ideological pursuits. As for the second one, the beauty of this country, with our Constitution, with our rule of law, with our federalism (i.e. 50 states), with our volunteer and professional armed forces, and with our checks and balances, there really isn't a great possibility of someone ascending to dictator status. If Trump wins in a couple of weeks, come January 2029, he'll leave the White House and only ever come back on the public tour. Nothing he can do while in office will change that. While he's in power, just like his first term, he'll be limited by the scope of the office, and by the other branches of government, courts, and states, that limited him the first time. Heck, in two years the attention will shift away from the lame-duck status that Trump will have, made even more so by his advancing age, and we'll be talking about all the contenders for the office in the 2028 election. He may win in a couple of weeks, but the clock is already ticking on moving past Trump.

Calling doneOLD a fascist might be red meat to many in the progressive wing of the party but I'm not sure if it appeals to moderate/independent voters in the swing states. And I'm not sure it overcomes any reluctance by pro-hamas type progressives to get out and vote for harris.

As far as DONEold being a fascist. He definitely has fascist tendencies:
- wanting generals who are loyal to him not the Constitution
- threatening to use the military against American citizens/the enemy within
- dictator for one day
- many elements of project 2025
- weird focus on genetics ("we got a lot of bad genes in our country right now")

There is no doubt in my mind that he would take the mantle of a dictator if he could. I don't know if it would be a fully fascist dictatorship or just a cult of personality.

If elected, he will challenge those checks and balances and rage against them when they prevent him from doing what he wants.

As for the tendencies:
- generals and everyone else in the armed forces swear an oath of allegiance to the Constitution, not to any one person. He may want general loyal to him but that's not the armed services that we have.
- same with threatening to use military force against American citizens. That's by far the biggest reason why his Jan 6th insurrection was never in the vicinity of succeeding - he had no support from the armed forces. Don't see how that's changed this time.
- dictator for a day. What does that even mean? How would that even be accomplished?
- elements of Project 2025. I've read that thing. Not sure how many have. It has zero chance of being accomplished. Again, this whole government thing we have in place today, and in the 50 states, stand in the way of that.
- weird focus on genetics - honestly, I haven't heard much about this. Granted, I try to avoid ever hearing Trump speak, so I may have self-selected myself from that, but I would've thought the voices claiming he's Hitler would've brought that up.

Sure, if we had no country, no Constitution, no rule of law, no federal system of government throughout all 50 states, no other branches of government, and armed forces solely allegiant to the Executive, yeah, Trump would be a huge problem. But, we have all of those things. All of those things held him in restraint over his first 4 years, and they will again for the next 2 years until he's a full-on lame duck and no one pays attention to him anymore. He may rage against all of this. He did before. He'll be gone in January 2029, never to return (thank you 22nd ammendment).

[GannonFan]

I don't understand this as a campaign move. Whether Trump is a fascist or not doesn't in anyway help advance Harris's position as the candidate. It moves the conversation and attention to Trump, which is where he wants it, it invigorates his supporters who see collusion and conspiracy everywhere, and it pushes Harris and any ideas she may have out of the picture. When she should be making the closing arguments over abortion and women's health care, for instance, she's abandoning that to say that Trump is Hitler. It's a losing strategy and reeks of desperation. If you can't run on who you are then you won't get enough people to vote for you. It's a strange and likely defeatist approach in the last days of a campaign.

As for the fascism, it's two questions, 1) is he, and 2) does it matter? As for the first one, sure if you want to bend the definition of fascism, which itself isn't even very well defined, you could tag him as such. But on the big things of fascism, i.e. government control of the economy, push for racial purity, and at least under Hitler, the systematic eradication/genocide of an entire race of people, the marshalling of the military to be beholden to the one leader, the desire to push beyond our borders militarily to expand our power, I don't see it. Is he a good guy? Absolutely not. Would he take on the mantle of a fascist dictator if he could? Maybe. Seems like a lot of heavy lifting for a guy not known for ideological pursuits. As for the second one, the beauty of this country, with our Constitution, with our rule of law, with our federalism (i.e. 50 states), with our volunteer and professional armed forces, and with our checks and balances, there really isn't a great possibility of someone ascending to dictator status. If Trump wins in a couple of weeks, come January 2029, he'll leave the White House and only ever come back on the public tour. Nothing he can do while in office will change that. While he's in power, just like his first term, he'll be limited by the scope of the office, and by the other branches of government, courts, and states, that limited him the first time. Heck, in two years the attention will shift away from the lame-duck status that Trump will have, made even more so by his advancing age, and we'll be talking about all the contenders for the office in the 2028 election. He may win in a couple of weeks, but the clock is already ticking on moving past Trump.

Does having a fascist leader “matter”?

Now let me go list many of the fascist things Trump and company have literally spoken and aspired to as proof!

Waiting on the list, as well as the probability of being able to do any of it.

[Bobcat]

Back in 1989 Kamala Harris groped me on an escalator in Vegas.

It has taken me years to get over it but I thought right now was the exact time to tell everyone about it.

I am white, it was a hate crime, silence is violence. Be Brave

#Kamalagropedme

[Caribbean Hen]

Back in 1989 Kamala Harris groped me on an escalator in Vegas.

It has taken me years to get over it but I thought right now was the exact time to tell everyone about it.

I am white, it was a hate crime, silence is violence. Be Brave

#Kamalagropedme

I can’t remember the details or exactly what year it was about the same thing happened to me

[Caribbean Hen]

in a way, Harris should be the one that has to clean up her own mess.... and it's a big ugly mess. Can this nervous wreck be the Commander and Chief? Biden has been wrong about everything foreign policy going back 4 decades and the bad guys of the world saw him for exactly what he was, a weak clown and they will certainly see Scamala as one. I've told my son to be prepared to deploy because something is going to break.

In that same way, biden inherited a mess from doneOLD.

Not even close, we were going to eventually bounce back from Covid and Kamelas save America act only made inflation worse…

[Bobcat]

Back in 1989 Kamala Harris groped me on an escalator in Vegas.

It has taken me years to get over it but I thought right now was the exact time to tell everyone about it.

I am white, it was a hate crime, silence is violence. Be Brave

#Kamalagropedme

I can’t remember the details or exactly what year it was about the same thing happened to me

You should tell someone about it just a few days before the election. It helps to get it off your chest. You are brave

[Caribbean Hen]

I can’t remember the details or exactly what year it was about the same thing happened to me

You should tell someone about it just a few days before the election. It helps to get it off your chest. You are brave

Aren’t you someone ?

[Bobcat]

I used to be, before the assault.

[kalm]

CH level perceptive right here. ^

Hey Clam Bake

We got your silly point but ignored it just to show you how dumb it was

You were oh so close to getting it at the time. I’m glad you eventually understood.

Progress!

[Bobcat]

CH, I do however appreciate you letting me be unburdened by what has been. I feel like you actually listened to my story and that means a lot to me

[kalm]

Does having a fascist leader “matter”?

Now let me go list many of the fascist things Trump and company have literally spoken and aspired to as proof!

Waiting on the list, as well as the probability of being able to do any of it.

Well I don’t want close to any of it. It’s highly unlikely to see a Night of the Broken Glass or a burning of the capital building however a Orban style takeover is already being attempted through media and the courts.

Here’s a quick hit. I’m sure there are many others. Have fun with the nitpicking.

[Bobcat]

I dont focus on Trumps Rhetoric.

I focus on the conspiracy between Harris campaign and the main stream media to kill president Trump. That is the vile rhetoric that is pouring gas on a situation 9 years in the making.

You cant blame the guy for trying to defend himself after nearly a decade of bullying and harassment.