Team Trump v/s Everyone

[kalm]

Yes, Don Quixote, you are quite skilled at taking down sources that ruffle your feathers while rarely if ever providing your own.

But feel free to take apart the factcheck piece and don’t forget to provide your sources.

There are no facts to the fact check, it's all story telling. No links to any actual documents to back up the claims, etc. You bought onto an extension of the debunked Russia collusion debacle, another story.

These are the sorts of people and stories you keep believing.

MSNBC conservative host interviewing a MM guy who got it wrong is the best you can do? The lefties I follow were calling out Biden’s decline long before the establishment press even sniffed it.

Do you ever get tired of losing all the time?

[UNI88]

Gabbard and White House 'lying' about intel on Russian interference in 2016, ex-CIA official says

Susan Miller, a retired CIA officer who helped lead the team that produced the report about Russia’s actions during the 2016 campaign, told NBC News it was based on credible information that showed Moscow sought to help Trump win the election, but that there was no sign of a conspiracy between the Kremlin and the Trump campaign.

“The director of national intelligence and the White House are lying, again,” Miller said. “We definitely had the intel to show with high probability that the specific goal of the Russians was to get Trump elected.”

She added: “At the same time, we found no two-way collusion between Trump or his team with the Russians at that time.”

Before anyone makes the allegation, Susan Miller was NOT one of the 51 intelligence officials who signed the Hunter Biden laptop - Russian misinformation letter.

Why should I believe the Obama/russia, russia, russia conspiracy isn't an attempt to distract attention from the Epstein files?

[SeattleGriz]

There are no facts to the fact check, it's all story telling. No links to any actual documents to back up the claims, etc. You bought onto an extension of the debunked Russia collusion debacle, another story.

These are the sorts of people and stories you keep believing.

MSNBC conservative host interviewing a MM guy who got it wrong is the best you can do? The lefties I follow were calling out Biden’s decline long before the establishment press even sniffed it.

Do you ever get tired of losing all the time?

Well I guess you were a dutiful Leftist and kept it to yourself, heck, even defended Pedo Joe.

In regards to Russia collusion, the summary is that IC manufactured evidence was used to start the investigation, when it never should have started. All information past that point is narrative building. We are now finally seeing how Obama and his IC shoehorned a fake investigation upon Trump.

This was always a hit job on Trump.

[UNI88]

MSNBC conservative host interviewing a MM guy who got it wrong is the best you can do? The lefties I follow were calling out Biden’s decline long before the establishment press even sniffed it.

Do you ever get tired of losing all the time?

Well I guess you were a dutiful Leftist and kept it to yourself, heck, even defended Pedo Joe.

In regards to Russia collusion, the summary is that IC manufactured evidence was used to start the investigation, when it never should have started. All information past that point is narrative building. We are now finally seeing how Obama and his IC shoehorned a fake investigation upon Trump.

This was always a hit job on Trump.

Did Obama direct Clapper to:
1) "shoehorn a fake investigation upon trump"/hit job on trump? or
2) conduct a review of intelligence concerning russian interference in the 2016 election?

[SeattleGriz]

Well I guess you were a dutiful Leftist and kept it to yourself, heck, even defended Pedo Joe.

In regards to Russia collusion, the summary is that IC manufactured evidence was used to start the investigation, when it never should have started. All information past that point is narrative building. We are now finally seeing how Obama and his IC shoehorned a fake investigation upon Trump.

This was always a hit job on Trump.

Did Obama direct Clapper to:
1) "shoehorn a fake investigation upon trump"/hit job on trump? or
2) conduct a review of intelligence concerning russian interference in the 2016 election?

It was Brennan

#2 by overriding current intelligence and handpicking a select group of people who did not follow standard operating procedures by rushing and skipping required reviews. In other words, it was slapped together.

The "evidence" used to launch was:
1) the unverified Steele Dossier
2) Carter Page FISA which had 17 errors in the process and the fact Carter Page was a known IC informant
3) George Papadopoulos telling Downer that the Russians had dirt on Hillary. Heard that from known Western IC asset Joseph Mifsud, who mysteriously disappeared in 2017.
4) Alleged but unproven DNC hacking

Sketchy as hell and totally contradicting all the previous IC assessments. As lame as Durham was, this was his conclusion as well. Never should have started.

[kalm]

MSNBC conservative host interviewing a MM guy who got it wrong is the best you can do? The lefties I follow were calling out Biden’s decline long before the establishment press even sniffed it.

Do you ever get tired of losing all the time?

Well I guess you were a dutiful Leftist and kept it to yourself, heck, even defended Pedo Joe.

In regards to Russia collusion, the summary is that IC manufactured evidence was used to start the investigation, when it never should have started. All information past that point is narrative building. We are now finally seeing how Obama and his IC shoehorned a fake investigation upon Trump.

This was always a hit job on Trump.

Fine…it’s all possible. And no collusion was found. But interference that benefitted Trump was. Just look at Manafort’s history alone or Trump’s nut fondling of Putin oaths Mueller convictions (34 IIRC?).

[UNI88]

Did Obama direct Clapper to:
1) "shoehorn a fake investigation upon trump"/hit job on trump? or
2) conduct a review of intelligence concerning russian interference in the 2016 election?

#2 by overriding current intelligence and handpicking a select group of people who did not follow standard operating procedures by rushing and skipping required reviews. In other words, it was slapped together.

The "evidence" used to launch was:
1) the unverified Steele Dossier
2) Carter Page FISA which had 17 errors in the process and the fact Carter Page was a known IC informant
3) George Papadopoulos telling Downer that the Russians had dirt on Hillary. Heard that from known Western IC asset Joseph Mifsud, who mysteriously disappeared in 2017.

Sketchy as hell and totally contradicting all the previous IC assessments. As lame as Durham was, this was his conclusion as well. Never should have started.

If it's #2 then Obama wasn't involved and gabbard was at best wildly exaggerating about Obama's alleged treason. At worst, she was outright lying.

There is no doubt that the investigations were shoddy and biased and some of their conclusions were questionable. That doesn't mean that all of the conclusions were invalid. russia did attempt to undermine faith in the US democratic process and to interfere in the US election (hacking the DNC servers, RT paying influencers to spread misinformation, etc.).

[SeattleGriz]

Well I guess you were a dutiful Leftist and kept it to yourself, heck, even defended Pedo Joe.

In regards to Russia collusion, the summary is that IC manufactured evidence was used to start the investigation, when it never should have started. All information past that point is narrative building. We are now finally seeing how Obama and his IC shoehorned a fake investigation upon Trump.

This was always a hit job on Trump.

Fine…it’s all possible. And no collusion was found. But interference that benefitted Trump was. Just look at Manafort’s history alone or Trump’s nut fondling of Putin oaths Mueller convictions (34 IIRC?).

What about Manafort's history? He was a political sleazebag who worked for Dems as much as Reps. He worked with Tony Podesta, who is John Podesta's brother (Hillary campaign manager).

His crime was one the FBI had previously waived off as small potatoes and had nothing to do with Russia. It had to do with him not declaring he was advocated for Ukrainian officials while being paid so.

[kalm]

Fine…it’s all possible. And no collusion was found. But interference that benefitted Trump was. Just look at Manafort’s history alone or Trump’s nut fondling of Putin oaths Mueller convictions (34 IIRC?).

What about Manafort's history? He was a political sleazebag who worked for Dems as much as Reps. He worked with Tony Podesta, who is John Podesta's brother (Hillary campaign manager).

His crime was one the FBI had previously waived off as small potatoes and had nothing to do with Russia. It had to do with him not declaring he was advocated for Ukrainian officials while being paid so.

Manafort worked for Yanukovych who was a Putin puppet and was paid $60 million for his services. He was knee deep in Russian-UKR politics.

[BDKJMU]

#2 by overriding current intelligence and handpicking a select group of people who did not follow standard operating procedures by rushing and skipping required reviews. In other words, it was slapped together.

The "evidence" used to launch was:
1) the unverified Steele Dossier
2) Carter Page FISA which had 17 errors in the process and the fact Carter Page was a known IC informant
3) George Papadopoulos telling Downer that the Russians had dirt on Hillary. Heard that from known Western IC asset Joseph Mifsud, who mysteriously disappeared in 2017.

Sketchy as hell and totally contradicting all the previous IC assessments. As lame as Durham was, this was his conclusion as well. Never should have started.

If it's #2 then Obama wasn't involved and gabbard was at best wildly exaggerating about Obama's alleged treason. At worst, she was outright lying.

There is no doubt that the investigations were shoddy and biased and some of their conclusions were questionable. That doesn't mean that all of the conclusions were invalid. russia did attempt to undermine faith in the US democratic process and to interfere in the US election (hacking the DNC servers, RT paying influencers to spread misinformation, etc.).

transparent step of declassifying a December 2016 draft of the President’s Daily Brief or PDB.

This highly classified record, which is a daily national security analysis for the President, assessed that “Russian and criminal actors did not impact recent US election results by conducting malicious cyber activities against (election) infrastructure.”

But after push back from the FBI, then led by James Comey, the PDB was spiked “based on new guidance.”

After a White House Principals meeting, a new intelligence assessment was commissioned, and media leaks followed, reinforcing a new narrative that “Russia intervened in the 2016 election to help Donald Trump win the presidency, rather than undermine confidence in the U.S. electoral system.”

TIMELINE

December 8, 2016
Draft PDB - Russia “did not impact US election results”

Hours later, FBI withdraws support

PDB is killed “based on new guidance”

December 9, 2016 Obama White House Gathers Top Cabinet Officials including Clapper, Brennan, Susan Rice, Andrew McCabe and others.

New Intelligence Assessment is commissioned

January 6, 2017 New Intel Assessment : Russia interfered to help Trump

FULL READ
@ODNIgov

[UNI88]

If it's #2 then Obama wasn't involved and gabbard was at best wildly exaggerating about Obama's alleged treason. At worst, she was outright lying.

There is no doubt that the investigations were shoddy and biased and some of their conclusions were questionable. That doesn't mean that all of the conclusions were invalid. russia did attempt to undermine faith in the US democratic process and to interfere in the US election (hacking the DNC servers, RT paying influencers to spread misinformation, etc.).

transparent step of declassifying a December 2016 draft of the President’s Daily Brief or PDB.

This highly classified record, which is a daily national security analysis for the President, assessed that “Russian and criminal actors did not impact recent US election results by conducting malicious cyber activities against (election) infrastructure.”

But after push back from the FBI, then led by James Comey, the PDB was spiked “based on new guidance.”

After a White House Principals meeting, a new intelligence assessment was commissioned, and media leaks followed, reinforcing a new narrative that “Russia intervened in the 2016 election to help Donald Trump win the presidency, rather than undermine confidence in the U.S. electoral system.”

TIMELINE

December 8, 2016
Draft PDB - Russia “did not impact US election results”

Hours later, FBI withdraws support

PDB is killed “based on new guidance”

December 9, 2016 Obama White House Gathers Top Cabinet Officials including Clapper, Brennan, Susan Rice, Andrew McCabe and others.

New Intelligence Assessment is commissioned

January 6, 2017 New Intel Assessment : Russia interfered to help Trump

FULL READ
@ODNIgov

DNC servers are not considered election infrastructure but they’re still relevant to attempted russian interference in the election.


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[Caribbean Hen]

The horrible thing about what happened was some TDS infected assholes who never suffer the consequences of being wrong and self-appointed geniuses are wrong a lot, decided it was in the best interest of the United States that Donald Trump was not president.

And then, after he won, despite their treasonous efforts, they decided they were going to interfere and distract his presidency with Bull shit

The media played right along

[BDKJMU]

https://www.factcheck.org/2025/07/gabba ... oup-claim/

Even if gabbard was accurate (she isn't), Obama would be immune because of the Supreme Court's ruling in Trump v. United States decided July 1, 2024. trump's own SCOTUS ruling would bite him in the ass ...

Gabbard is accurate.

Yes Obama is immune because of Trump. That’s not biting Trump in the ass, but it is saving Obama. Berry owes Trump a big thank you. Maybe that’s what they were talking about at Carter’s funeral.

[kalm]

Just trust us!

[kalm]

Clown show…

[kalm]

[kalm]

Never trust a man named MarkWayne.

Desperate to find any story that sticks.

[UNI88]

Never trust a man named MarkWayne.

Desperate to find any story that sticks.

Redneck mothers use 2 first names when they aren't sure who the father is and they want to honor the 2 most likely possibilities.

Next MAQA yahoo loyalists, who regularly post crap from libs of tik tok, end wokeness, rapid response, etc., will attack wu tang is for the children in another "look a a squirrel" attempt at distraction.

Release the epstein files!

[Caribbean Hen]

Never trust a man named MarkWayne.

Desperate to find any story that sticks.

Redneck mothers use 2 first names when they aren't sure who the father is and they want to honor the 2 most likely possibilities.

Next MAQA yahoo loyalists, who regularly post crap from libs of tik tok, end wokeness, rapid response, etc., will attack wu tang is for the children in another "look a a squirrel" attempt at distraction.

Release the epstein files!

It’s the Hail Mary for get Trump

He’s in the files. He never visited the island.

[SeattleGriz]

What about Manafort's history? He was a political sleazebag who worked for Dems as much as Reps. He worked with Tony Podesta, who is John Podesta's brother (Hillary campaign manager).

His crime was one the FBI had previously waived off as small potatoes and had nothing to do with Russia. It had to do with him not declaring he was advocated for Ukrainian officials while being paid so.

Manafort worked for Yanukovych who was a Putin puppet and was paid $60 million for his services. He was knee deep in Russian-UKR politics.

And he was charged for what in regards to Russia collusion? Why did the FBI drop the FARA case and then pick it up almost 4 years later during Mueller?

Why wasn't Tony Podesta, who worked with Manafort and was the brother of Hillary's campaign manager charged with FARA?

[kalm]

Manafort worked for Yanukovych who was a Putin puppet and was paid $60 million for his services. He was knee deep in Russian-UKR politics.

And he was charged for what in regards to Russia collusion? Why did the FBI drop the FARA case and then pick it up almost 4 years later during Mueller?

Why wasn't Tony Podesta, who worked with Manafort and was the brother of Hillary's campaign manager charged with FARA?

Why would he be charged with FARA for his work in Russians UKR?

If Podesata committed a crime he should be charged too. As well as Hillary and any other Democrat that they gather evidence on.

It’s like the omygosh what if Bill or other Dems are in the Epstein list?!? thing.

Charge them. Disqualify them politically. Not all of us are partisans, SG.

Trump’s association with Russia simply ain’t a stretch.

[SeattleGriz]

And he was charged for what in regards to Russia collusion? Why did the FBI drop the FARA case and then pick it up almost 4 years later during Mueller?

Why wasn't Tony Podesta, who worked with Manafort and was the brother of Hillary's campaign manager charged with FARA?

Why would he be charged with FARA for his work in Russians UKR?

If Podesata committed a crime he should be charged too. As well as Hillary and any other Democrat that they gather evidence on.

It’s like the omygosh what if Bill or other Dems are in the Epstein list?!? thing.

Charge them. Disqualify them politically. Not all of us are partisans, SG.

Trump’s association with Russia simply ain’t a stretch.

Trump's association is normal for a guy with international business goals.

You keep hand waving off the extreme unlikelihood and malfeasance of the IC and how far they went.

You should be pissed at the illegal searches and 4th amendment violations that occurred, but you aren't. Why? Because you think Donald Trump deserves this. The people in our government you most idolize were pieces of shit and it doesn't compute with you.

[kalm]

Why would he be charged with FARA for his work in Russians UKR?

If Podesata committed a crime he should be charged too. As well as Hillary and any other Democrat that they gather evidence on.

It’s like the omygosh what if Bill or other Dems are in the Epstein list?!? thing.

Charge them. Disqualify them politically. Not all of us are partisans, SG.

Trump’s association with Russia simply ain’t a stretch.

Trump's association is normal for a guy with international business goals.

You keep hand waving off the extreme unlikelihood and malfeasance of the IC and how far they went.

You should be pissed at the illegal searches and 4th amendment violations that occurred, but you aren't. Why? Because you think Donald Trump deserves this. The people in our government you most idolize were pieces of shit and it doesn't compute with you.

He’s not running a a crooked business. He’s running a country who’s had an adversarial relationship with Russia. And besides, Russia is not the kind of entity you want to do business with.

You are full of IC conspiracy theories but short on evidence and facts. But yes…I agree, they aren’t to be trusted either.

I’ve criticized 4A violations for years on this board. Just like I’ve criticized establishment Dems like Obama, Biden, Blinken, Pelosi, Schumer, Jefferies, Manchin, etc. Butvgou already knew that which makes you a bad faith debater. Still clearly nowhere near Trump’s level.

So yes…Trump deserves this scrutiny and mistrust. He’s an ignorant and narcissistic leader at the top of his game. Which is threats and intimidation to get his way.

This all sounds like a you problem.

[SeattleGriz]

Trump's association is normal for a guy with international business goals.

You keep hand waving off the extreme unlikelihood and malfeasance of the IC and how far they went.

You should be pissed at the illegal searches and 4th amendment violations that occurred, but you aren't. Why? Because you think Donald Trump deserves this. The people in our government you most idolize were pieces of shit and it doesn't compute with you.

He’s not running a a crooked business. He’s running a country who’s had an adversarial relationship with Russia. And besides, Russia is not the kind of entity you want to do business with.

You are full of IC conspiracy theories but short on evidence and facts. But yes…I agree, they aren’t to be trusted either.

I’ve criticized 4A violations for years on this board. Just like I’ve criticized establishment Dems like Obama, Biden, Blinken, Pelosi, Schumer, Jefferies, Manchin, etc. Butvgou already knew that which makes you a bad faith debater. Still clearly nowhere near Trump’s level.

So yes…Trump deserves this scrutiny and mistrust. He’s an ignorant and narcissistic leader at the top of his game. Which is threats and intimidation to get his way.

This all sounds like a you problem.

So frothing unhinged, can't even type straight. Wut?

[Caribbean Hen]

Good Lord,
trying to blame the Russian actions for having any influence on the election is just stupid

Hillary was offensive enough all by herself to ensuring she would never be the president

The Hillary collusion scandal
she couldn’t get out of her own way