2025 Schumer Shutdown

[kalm]

Dead weight? We spend less on welfare than almost all other OECD countries.

Producers? Aren’t all who work producers? Are the dead best rich unwilling to pay taxes not replaceable?

Not all lower income producers create tax revenue for the government, but they do provide what Hunter Biden wants them too provide like waiting on him at restaurants

Let’s see your evidence about your claim on welfare spending …. We need to cut it

And even low income workers create tax revenue in the form of payroll taxes, sales taxes, excise taxes, etc. Besides, the working poor not contributing enough is a reflection of wage suppression rather than dead weight.

Consumer spending drives 2/3’s of the economy. As billionaire Nick Hanauer points out, he and his wealthy friends can’t buy enough pairs of blue jeans to sustain it.

What we cut or taxes we collect is a matter of priorities. I prefer benefitting all the people and protecting the commons rather than a handful of wealthy families who are doing just fine and don’t really produce all that much compared to working class.

This is what populism is.

[GannonFan]

Not all lower income producers create tax revenue for the government, but they do provide what Hunter Biden wants them too provide like waiting on him at restaurants

Let’s see your evidence about your claim on welfare spending …. We need to cut it

And even low income workers create tax revenue in the form of payroll taxes, sales taxes, excise taxes, etc. Besides, the working poor not contributing enough is a reflection of wage suppression rather than dead weight.

Consumer spending drives 2/3’s of the economy. As billionaire Nick Hanauer points out, he and his wealthy friends can’t buy enough pairs of blue jeans to sustain it.

What we cut or taxes we collect is a matter of priorities. I prefer benefitting all the people and protecting the commons rather than a handful of wealthy families who are doing just fine and don’t really produce all that much compared to working class.

This is what populism is.

Kind of a weird chart with it being percent of GDP without also showing what each countries GDP is. Government spending, IMO, doesn't need to go up and down depending on overall GDP - it needs to be the spending we need to cover the libertarian wish list (defense, basic needs, etc), and then whatever else we, as a country, make it a priority beyond the libertarian viewpoint to have centrally covered by government spending.

[kalm]

And even low income workers create tax revenue in the form of payroll taxes, sales taxes, excise taxes, etc. Besides, the working poor not contributing enough is a reflection of wage suppression rather than dead weight.

Consumer spending drives 2/3’s of the economy. As billionaire Nick Hanauer points out, he and his wealthy friends can’t buy enough pairs of blue jeans to sustain it.

What we cut or taxes we collect is a matter of priorities. I prefer benefitting all the people and protecting the commons rather than a handful of wealthy families who are doing just fine and don’t really produce all that much compared to working class.

This is what populism is.

Kind of a weird chart with it being percent of GDP without also showing what each countries GDP is. Government spending, IMO, doesn't need to go up and down depending on overall GDP - it needs to be the spending we need to cover the libertarian wish list (defense, basic needs, etc), and then whatever else we, as a country, make it a priority beyond the libertarian viewpoint to have centrally covered by government spending.

I just grabbed one and I agree that GDP is not a great metric. But even defense spending needs breaks.

My point to CH is our debt ain’t just a matter of lazy people who don’t work and that his “producers” ain’t worth squat without demand driven by the working class.

[GannonFan]

Kind of a weird chart with it being percent of GDP without also showing what each countries GDP is. Government spending, IMO, doesn't need to go up and down depending on overall GDP - it needs to be the spending we need to cover the libertarian wish list (defense, basic needs, etc), and then whatever else we, as a country, make it a priority beyond the libertarian viewpoint to have centrally covered by government spending.

I just grabbed one and I agree that GDP is not a great metric. But even defense spending needs breaks.

My point to CH is our debt ain’t just a matter of lazy people who don’t work and that his “producers” ain’t worth squat without demand driven by the working class.

Defense spending is an odd one. On one hand, absolutely, we shouldn't be spending on things that don't make sense or are wasteful. But on the other hand, we clearly are behind in many things. We gave all that weaponry to Ukraine, especially missiles, and then we struggle to replenish the inventory. China, still on its timeline to take Taiwan back by force by 2027, has a bigger navy than we do. Because of our lack of shipyards and know-how, we can't even build the things we have already planned for (like more nuclear subs for instance) that give us the technological edge against China, let alone complete the already backlogged maintenance we have to keep ships and boats operational. And as we've seen with Iran, and China, and Russia, this isn't a completely peaceful world. What happens if we can't project force to respond to those actors?

And of course, CH's interpretation of our debt and how we got here is completely warped. We didn't get 30 some trillion in the hole just based on too many SNAP benefits. That's crazy.

[kalm]

I just grabbed one and I agree that GDP is not a great metric. But even defense spending needs breaks.

My point to CH is our debt ain’t just a matter of lazy people who don’t work and that his “producers” ain’t worth squat without demand driven by the working class.

Defense spending is an odd one. On one hand, absolutely, we shouldn't be spending on things that don't make sense or are wasteful. But on the other hand, we clearly are behind in many things. We gave all that weaponry to Ukraine, especially missiles, and then we struggle to replenish the inventory. China, still on its timeline to take Taiwan back by force by 2027, has a bigger navy than we do. Because of our lack of shipyards and know-how, we can't even build the things we have already planned for (like more nuclear subs for instance) that give us the technological edge against China, let alone complete the already backlogged maintenance we have to keep ships and boats operational. And as we've seen with Iran, and China, and Russia, this isn't a completely peaceful world. What happens if we can't project force to respond to those actors?

And of course, CH's interpretation of our debt and how we got here is completely warped. We didn't get 30 some trillion in the hole just based on too many SNAP benefits. That's crazy.

Yup. Defense including borders is necessary.

[GannonFan]

Defense spending is an odd one. On one hand, absolutely, we shouldn't be spending on things that don't make sense or are wasteful. But on the other hand, we clearly are behind in many things. We gave all that weaponry to Ukraine, especially missiles, and then we struggle to replenish the inventory. China, still on its timeline to take Taiwan back by force by 2027, has a bigger navy than we do. Because of our lack of shipyards and know-how, we can't even build the things we have already planned for (like more nuclear subs for instance) that give us the technological edge against China, let alone complete the already backlogged maintenance we have to keep ships and boats operational. And as we've seen with Iran, and China, and Russia, this isn't a completely peaceful world. What happens if we can't project force to respond to those actors?

And of course, CH's interpretation of our debt and how we got here is completely warped. We didn't get 30 some trillion in the hole just based on too many SNAP benefits. That's crazy.

Yup. Defense including borders is necessary.

That's what's hard. We of course spend more than anyone else on defense, but that goes along with being pretty much one of the only countries that can really project significant force anywhere in the world. And we generally do that for the good, although there are plenty of examples of us using that for less than good. But, if it gives pause to Russia (they don't appear willing to attack a NATO country), if it gives pause to China (they would've attacked Taiwan a long time ago if we couldn't respond), if it gives pause to Iran (the Middle East would be far bloodier than it is today) then it's probably money well spent. But yes, that does mean we are going to spend exponentially more than others to help keep the world relatively peaceful. Trump is Trump about this topic (i.e. clumsy, inarticulate, brash) but he's been right all along that other countries need to acknowledge this and help out more.

With all that said, I'm sure there's some pruning in the budget to de done relative to defense to cut out waste and only spend on what we need. But we are behind in spending for what we need so that needs to be corrected soon.

[kalm]

[Caribbean Hen]

CH is on a word diet because people keep putting them in my mouth

[BDKJMU]

The quiet part said out loud.

[BDKJMU]

Democrats don‘t want to pay the military or essential govt workers.

[UNI88]

[kalm]

Democrats don‘t want to pay the military or essential govt workers.

Thune could use the nuclear option and temporarily suspend the filibuster, kick it back to the house for reconciliation and end it right now.

Both sides have used the process before.

Republicans don’t want to pay the military or essential workers at the expense of massive healthcare cost increases.

[BDKJMU]

[BDKJMU]

Another reason why the temporary Obamacare subsidies should be allowed to expire. One billion identified so far going to illegal aliens from only 6 states investigated so far by the Centers For Medicare and Medicaid Services.

[Caribbean Hen]

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2025/10/25/tru ... tdown.html

Thank you Timothy Mellon and Thank you Donald Trump

Timothy Mellon is Trump's $130 million mystery military donor: NYT

[UNI88]

Republicans grapple with shutdown – and why more are blaming the GOP

Yet poll after poll finds that slightly more Americans think Republicans are to blame for the shutdown than who think Democrats are at fault.
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That public sentiment has only encouraged Democrats to dig in on the stalemate.
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Johnson has kept the House out of session during the shutdown, arguing the chamber has already done its job. He has repeatedly rebuffed suggestions that the House could be doing other work, saying that appropriators are still working to prepare regular funding bills even though the House is not in session. Democrats, meanwhile, accuse Republicans of being on “vacation” during the shutdown.

The Speaker has refused to swear in Rep.-elect Adelita Grijalva (D-Ariz.) while the House is out of session during the shutdown, leading to accusations that he is doing so to block a discharge petition to force a vote on a bill to release files about the late sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, which Johnson has denied. Arizona’s Attorney General Kris Mayes (D) filed a lawsuit over Grijalva’s swearing-in thisweek.

[Caribbean Hen]

Chucky the evil bad seed has no plan on how to fix healthcare, but is shutting the government down due to the massive failures of Obama care …

[kalm]

Chucky the evil bad seed has no plan on how to fix healthcare, but is shutting the government down due to the massive failures of Obama care …

The establishment Dems, Republicans nor Trump know how to fix.

Schumer is playing one of the few cards Dems have but would revert right back to for-profit insurance and care if given the chance.

Obamacare is a stop-gap measure at best. Still better than what’s about to happen.

[kalm]

[Caribbean Hen]

Just looking at it from a health aspect, I see kids going into the Deli every morning and come out with a pack of chips or Twinkies for breakfast… payed for with mama’s snap card

We need to get healthier and that would help reduce healthcare spending

Parents should be more responsible, I’m not sure how to make that happen

But when the USS America is sinking beneath the waves of debt, you will be on the fantail playing your violin

[BDKJMU]

Someone should explain to the moron Wutang nothing was said about race.

[Caribbean Hen]

Someone should explain to the moron Wutang nothing was said about race.

40 million people on SNAP cards

I think about that. Wow

Who knows who and how they came up with that number though

[kalm]

Someone should explain to the moron Wutang nothing was said about race.

Triggered.

[kalm]

Just looking at it from a health aspect, I see kids going into the Deli every morning and come out with a pack of chips or Twinkies for breakfast… payed for with mama’s snap card

We need to get healthier and that would help reduce healthcare spending

Parents should be more responsible, I’m not sure how to make that happen

But when the USS America is sinking beneath the waves of debt, you will be on the fantail playing your violin

Yes. We should get healthier. That requires available healthy food, time to exercise, and education.

Our system isn’t set up for the working poor to eat healthy.

[Caribbean Hen]

Just looking at it from a health aspect, I see kids going into the Deli every morning and come out with a pack of chips or Twinkies for breakfast… payed for with mama’s snap card

We need to get healthier and that would help reduce healthcare spending

Parents should be more responsible, I’m not sure how to make that happen

But when the USS America is sinking beneath the waves of debt, you will be on the fantail playing your violin

Yes. We should get healthier. That requires available healthy food, time to exercise, and education.

Our system isn’t set up for the working poor to eat healthy.

You’re right! the government system is no good…

People should find a way to go around it and eat healthy food and stop making excuses

But you always want us to rely on the government