2025 and Beyond Domestic Rightist Violence Thread

[Caribbean Hen]

Why they showed up is irrelevant - they were exercising their Constitutional rights (speech, assembly, bear arms, etc.) and have a right to be there. Arguing that it was Pretti's fault for being there and being armed is a red herring akin to blaming a rape victim because of what they were wearing.

How do you know the agents were conducting an enforcement opp against "criminal illegal aliens"? They could have been looking to detain an immigrant who only had a civil infraction.

Regardless, anyone with a functioning brainstem can see that this could lead to curfews, armed checkpoints and detaining citizens for exercising their Constitutional rights. It's not a pretty future and we should all be stepping up to prevent the possibility from becoming reality.

All of this.

ICE doesn’t own the streets. The people own the streets.

You don’t know the streets Sonny

[∞∞∞]

Gotta stop calling them "law enforcement". They're thugs. They're neither knowledgeable of the law nor enforcing it.

It's funny (and sad) that nurses have more dangerous jobs than ICE, yet we're taught how to de-escalate tense (sometimes violent) situations without hurting anyone. It's really not a difficult concept, but I know ICE agents are made up of the dredges of society.

This woman - a known, left-wing reporter - with published articles easily found online, was able to become an ICE agent with one informal interview at a job fair, no drug screening, and no background check:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/202 ... oting.html

[Caribbean Hen]

I'm not sure I'd call that interfering. If it is then I've interfered with law enforcement in the past by having the temerity to speak to them and ask questions while they were engaged in law enforcement activity. Fortunately, rather than shooting me dead, the officers took no offense and answered my questions while proceeding with their activity. As a citizen I should have the ability if not the right to address law enforcement and to question their actions. Their job first and foremost, is to serve and protect me and other citizens.

More importantly, focusing on whether he interfered with the officers is a rabbit hole that DHS wants us to go down to shift the focus away from the bigger question of was the shooting and the agents other actions justified?

Talking is different than an officer removing you from a street. When you own a gun, you need to be responsible for your actions when you carry. Having a gun in an area of Minneapolis with high tension is not on my list of places to bring a fire arm. Tragedy can happen, and it did.

Truth

[UNI88]

Talking is different than an officer removing you from a street. When you own a gun, you need to be responsible for your actions when you carry. Having a gun in an area of Minneapolis with high tension is not on my list of places to bring a fire arm. Tragedy can happen, and it did.

Truth

You are correct, focusing on whether he interfered with the officers is a rabbit hole that DHS wants us to go down is the truth.

We should be focusing on the bigger question - was the shooting and the agents other actions justified ?

[Gil Dobie]

Truth

You are correct, focusing on whether he interfered with the officers is a rabbit hole that DHS wants us to go down is the truth.

We should be focusing on the bigger question - was the shooting and the agents other actions justified ?

It's documented that he was removed from the street by an agent prior to the final scuffle. Where is the rabbit hole?

[kalm]

You are correct, focusing on whether he interfered with the officers is a rabbit hole that DHS wants us to go down is the truth.

We should be focusing on the bigger question - was the shooting and the agents other actions justified ?

It's documented that he was removed from the street by an agent prior to the final scuffle. Where is the rabbit hole?

That’s not what happened.

[Gil Dobie]

Truth

You are correct, focusing on whether he interfered with the officers is a rabbit hole that DHS wants us to go down is the truth.

We should be focusing on the bigger question - was the shooting and the agents other actions justified ?

From CNN

About three minutes before the shooting, two officers walk across the street, confronting Pretti and other observers in nearly the same spot where he was later shot dead.

One officer, wearing a dark-colored jacket and light-brown beanie, is seen placing a hand on Pretti’s torso and pushing him backwards out of the street as Pretti records with his phone. “Do not touch me,” Pretti shouts at the officer, adding, “I am out of the traffic… you are the one who is in the traffic.”

[kalm]

All of this.

ICE doesn’t own the streets. The people own the streets.

You don’t know the streets Sonny

Pipe down.

[kalm]

Gotta stop calling them "law enforcement". They're thugs. They're neither knowledgeable of the law nor enforcing it.

It's funny (and sad) that nurses have more dangerous jobs than ICE, yet we're taught how to de-escalate tense (sometimes violent) situations without hurting anyone. It's really not a difficult concept, but I know ICE agents are made up of the dredges of society.

This woman - a known, left-wing reporter - with published articles easily found online, was able to become an ICE agent with one informal interview at a job fair, no drug screening, and no background check:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/202 ... oting.html

I heard her story on a podcast. It’s as suspected. Very little screening. These are not professional LE. They were quickly deputized by Sheriff Trump or Chief constable Miller.

[Caribbean Hen]

You are correct, focusing on whether he interfered with the officers is a rabbit hole that DHS wants us to go down is the truth.

We should be focusing on the bigger question - was the shooting and the agents other actions justified ?

From CNN

About three minutes before the shooting, two officers walk across the street, confronting Pretti and other observers in nearly the same spot where he was later shot dead.

One officer, wearing a dark-colored jacket and light-brown beanie, is seen placing a hand on Pretti’s torso and pushing him backwards out of the street as Pretti records with his phone. “Do not touch me,” Pretti shouts at the officer, adding, “I am out of the traffic… you are the one who is in the traffic.”

Klamdami believes he has seen everything that has happened only because of the videos he has watched …

It’s almost like the nurse had a death wish behaving like he did while carrying a gun

[UNI88]

You are correct, focusing on whether he interfered with the officers is a rabbit hole that DHS wants us to go down is the truth.

We should be focusing on the bigger question - was the shooting and the agents other actions justified ?

From CNN

About three minutes before the shooting, two officers walk across the street, confronting Pretti and other observers in nearly the same spot where he was later shot dead.

One officer, wearing a dark-colored jacket and light-brown beanie, is seen placing a hand on Pretti’s torso and pushing him backwards out of the street as Pretti records with his phone. “Do not touch me,” Pretti shouts at the officer, adding, “I am out of the traffic… you are the one who is in the traffic.”

Even if that qualifies as "interfering" (which is debatable because it can be argued that the agent who pushed him was the one who was out of line) it doesn't justify shooting him.

If you're focused on his supposed "interfering" and not whether the shooting was justified then you are down the rabbit hole and furthering the trump/noem/DHS agenda.

The shooting needs to be investigated not swept under the rug or buried under a much less relevant debate about whether he interfered with an LE operation.

[UNI88]

Alex Pretti was definitely more of a real alpha male then the agent who shoved the woman.

[Caribbean Hen]

China Tims staff on signal chat coordinating with the radical protesters

This is all about TDS

The radicals have access to Law Enforcement data bases and track license plates ,,,, inside job

But nobody should be surprised

[Gil Dobie]

From CNN

About three minutes before the shooting, two officers walk across the street, confronting Pretti and other observers in nearly the same spot where he was later shot dead.

One officer, wearing a dark-colored jacket and light-brown beanie, is seen placing a hand on Pretti’s torso and pushing him backwards out of the street as Pretti records with his phone. “Do not touch me,” Pretti shouts at the officer, adding, “I am out of the traffic… you are the one who is in the traffic.”

Even if that qualifies as "interfering" (which is debatable because it can be argued that the agent who pushed him was the one who was out of line) it doesn't justify shooting him.

If you're focused on his supposed "interfering" and not whether the shooting was justified then you are down the rabbit hole and furthering the trump/noem/DHS agenda.

The shooting needs to be investigated not swept under the rug or buried under a much less relevant debate about whether he interfered with an LE operation.

Interfering with law enforcement has no bearing on whether the shooting was justified. You are using Trump/Noem or partisian logic trying to explain what you just admitted. The agent was dealing with a person that wasn't part of the operation, aka interfering. And I agree, it doesn't justify shooting him. He was shot several minutes later in a 2nd confrontation that is or will be investigated.

[BDKJMU]

The so-called "Press" are the ones who can't be trusted. The NYT, CNN, this ridiculous article ALL failed to report that the man was armed and threatening ICE agents.

The barely-trained bounty hunters had already taken his gun before they pistol whipped and executed him. He threatened nobody and was legally carrying. You can see the bounty hunter walking away with the gun before the other bounty-hunters shoot him in the back several times. Need to start throwing gasoline at these pigs - they're sitting ducks out in the street when patriotic Americans start rising up against the tyrannical federal gubmint

Pretti was not legally carrying based on 2 factors:
Went to a violent protest while armed. According to Google AI, in MN it is ILLEGAL to participate in a violent protest while armed.

Also in MN if carrying you are required by law to have both your ID and CCW permit with you. He reportedly had neither.

[BDKJMU]

Lawl no. They are using Signal Chats to try to follow, harass, interfere, obstruct, assault, fight with the enforcement ops of ICE/CBP. No different if you and others did that to your local police department to try to keep them from enforcing the law and arresting criminals and lawbreakers

Nope- they aren’t looking to detain immigrants. Those would be folks who are here legally. They are looking to detain illegal aliens.

And anyone with a functioning brain stem could see that if MN opened their jails to ICE like every red state had done. Minneapolis wouldn’t be in this mess now. A few dozen agents could do what is taking a couple thousand now.

You're moving the goalposts - you originally posted that they're conducting opps against "criminal illegal aliens" now you've changed to simply "illegal aliens".

So what if they're using Signal Chats. Protesters have every right to communicate and coordinate their efforts. Doing so isn't automatically nefarious. I'm pretty sure you dismissed the proud boy/oath keepers coordination for January 6 when they stashed guns around DC as them just being "yahoos" (and that's when MAQA yahoos was born). Are you going to twist yourself into logical pretzels trying to explain how that was harmless and what's happening in Minneapolis is dangerous?

So I left off ‘criminal’ before illegal alien Doesn’t matter either way.

[BDKJMU]

This is why you don't bring a gun when you interfere with law enforcement. Just having a gun can lead to tragedy.

AP reported a voice is heard saying "gun, gun" right before the first shot.

I will ask again (and again if needed) ...

How did Pretti interfere with / obstruct law enforcement?
- By being there? No
- By filming? No
- By helping a woman who had been shoved to the ground up? No
- By carrying a weapon with a valid permit? No

So tell us, what exactly did he do to interfere / obstruct law enforcement?

More importantly, what threat did he actually pose to the agents at the time that he was shot?
- Was he still armed? No
- Could he have lunged for his weapon? Doesn't look like it
- Could he have physically overpowered the 7 or so agents who were standing over him? No
- Was he even facing the agents or was his back to the agents?

How do you justify shooting an unarmed man?


The state/local prosecutor is likely to ask and/or consider these questions as is the federal judge assigned to the case.

-Went to a violent protest while armed. According to Google AI, in MN it is ILLEGAL to participate in a violent protest while armed.
-Got physically involved in direct action against law enforcement. ILLEGAL.
-Didn’t inform law enforcement he had a weapon/CCW. According to Google AI ILLEGAL under Minnesota law.
-Resisted law enforcement. ILLEGAL. It took a bunch of agents to subdue him because he was a big, strong guy.

[UNI88]

Even if that qualifies as "interfering" (which is debatable because it can be argued that the agent who pushed him was the one who was out of line) it doesn't justify shooting him.

If you're focused on his supposed "interfering" and not whether the shooting was justified then you are down the rabbit hole and furthering the trump/noem/DHS agenda.

The shooting needs to be investigated not swept under the rug or buried under a much less relevant debate about whether he interfered with an LE operation.

Interfering with law enforcement has no bearing on whether the shooting was justified. You are using Trump/Noem or partisian logic trying to explain what you just admitted. The agent was dealing with a person that wasn't part of the operation, aka interfering. And I agree, it doesn't justify shooting him. He was shot several minutes later in a 2nd confrontation that is or will be investigated.

Being at that location, filming the agents, etc. is not interfering. Helping a woman up who was violently shoved by an agent is being a good person, and isn't necessarily interfering.

From what I could tell it was the agents who were standing in the street while Pretti and the women were in an area where cars could park.They weren't blocking traffic. Why were the agents attempting to push them back. You're assuming that Pretti and the women were interfering but we don't know that for sure. They might not have been in the way but the agents took exception to their presence and/or filming and decided to use unnecessary force in an attempt to push them back.

greg "Don Knotts" bovino will go down in history as a modern incarnation of Bull Connor.

[BDKJMU]

Even if that qualifies as "interfering" (which is debatable because it can be argued that the agent who pushed him was the one who was out of line) it doesn't justify shooting him.

If you're focused on his supposed "interfering" and not whether the shooting was justified then you are down the rabbit hole and furthering the trump/noem/DHS agenda.

The shooting needs to be investigated not swept under the rug or buried under a much less relevant debate about whether he interfered with an LE operation.

Interfering with law enforcement has no bearing on whether the shooting was justified. You are using Trump/Noem or partisian logic trying to explain what you just admitted. The agent was dealing with a person that wasn't part of the operation, aka interfering. And I agree, it doesn't justify shooting him. He was shot several minutes later in a 2nd confrontation that is or will be investigated.

That’s a fair take Gil. Pretti did some illegal stuff as I mentioned in my above post.

Not been mentioned on here yet, because there aren’t any gun nuts left in here. Pretti had an Sig 320. A lot of people in the gun world claim the Sig 320 (within a certain serial # range at least) is prone to ADs. There are other people in the gun world who claim that’s a bunch of BS. Regardless, there’s a lot of stuff online about the 320 having ADs. It reportedly has a very light trigger pull.

Here’s what might have happened (other armchair analysts have put out similar:

One agent yells GUN! while that agent (or another) grabbs Pretti’s gun to disarm him. As he’s stepping away the gun goes off (Again Sig 320).

Regardless, if the agent(s) who fired
-Heard some one yell ‘GUN!’
-Saw a hand removing the Sig from Pretti’s waist.
-Heard a BANG!.
All in the space a couple of seconds, he/they could have reacted as if they thought they/their fellow agents were being shot at. Call it a natural reaction. Call it panicked. Whatever.

Optics might not look good, but optics is one thing, reasonable officer standard in that situation is another. That’s what this will come down to.

[kalm]

The vast majority of Somalis are legal citizens. The main fraud perp was a white woman. Minneapolis has an extremely low shooting rate. As in a couple a year.

This whole thing is complete Stephen Miller fascist wannabe bullshit.

[Skjellyfetti]

Here’s what might have happened (other armchair analysts have put out similar:

One agent yells GUN! while that agent (or another) grabbs Pretti’s gun to disarm him. As he’s stepping away the gun goes off (Again Sig 320).

Regardless, if the agent(s) who fired
-Heard some one yell ‘GUN!’
-Saw a hand removing the Sig from Pretti’s waist.
-Heard a BANG!.
All in the space a couple of seconds, he/they could have reacted as if they thought they/their fellow agents were being shot at. Call it a natural reaction. Call it panicked. Whatever.

Optics might not look good, but optics is one thing, reasonable officer standard in that situation is another. That’s what this will come down to.

So, you agree it's worthy of a full and complete investigation, right?

That grey hoody guy that ran off with the gun should be questioned whether there was an accidental/negligent discharge.

In your scenario - it might not amount to 2nd degree murder. But, it could amount to manslaughter. But, credibility is important and for DHS / Border Patrol officials to instantly label him a domestic terrorist or assassin does not help create the sense that this is going to be credibly and thoroughly investigated by the feds.

[kalm]

Bovino is being moved out.

[Gil Dobie]

Interfering with law enforcement has no bearing on whether the shooting was justified. You are using Trump/Noem or partisian logic trying to explain what you just admitted. The agent was dealing with a person that wasn't part of the operation, aka interfering. And I agree, it doesn't justify shooting him. He was shot several minutes later in a 2nd confrontation that is or will be investigated.

Being at that location, filming the agents, etc. is not interfering. Helping a woman up who was violently shoved by an agent is being a good person, and isn't necessarily interfering.

From what I could tell it was the agents who were standing in the street while Pretti and the women were in an area where cars could park.They weren't blocking traffic. Why were the agents attempting to push them back. You're assuming that Pretti and the women were interfering but we don't know that for sure. They might not have been in the way but the agents took exception to their presence and/or filming and decided to use unnecessary force in an attempt to push them back.

greg "Don Knotts" bovino will go down in history as a modern incarnation of Bull Connor.

You are going off track again. The agent getting Pretti off the street happened prior to the incident with the woman. That is interfering and illegal. Not justification for getting shot, but reckless behavior for a person that is carrying.

[UNI88]

Being at that location, filming the agents, etc. is not interfering. Helping a woman up who was violently shoved by an agent is being a good person, and isn't necessarily interfering.

From what I could tell it was the agents who were standing in the street while Pretti and the women were in an area where cars could park.They weren't blocking traffic. Why were the agents attempting to push them back. You're assuming that Pretti and the women were interfering but we don't know that for sure. They might not have been in the way but the agents took exception to their presence and/or filming and decided to use unnecessary force in an attempt to push them back.

greg "Don Knotts" bovino will go down in history as a modern incarnation of Bull Connor.

You are going off track again. The agent getting Pretti off the street happened prior to the incident with the woman. That is interfering and illegal. Not justification for getting shot, but reckless behavior for a person that is carrying.

How? How was Pretti being in the street interfering with the LE operation? What about the situation justified the agent "getting Pettri off the street"?

I'm all for respecting LE but this was a protest and people are allowed to observe, film, etc. Where they stand should only matter if they're actually in the way of the operation. ICE/CBP not liking where they're standing shouldn't automatically be considered interfering. Assisting a woman who was violently shoved to the ground by an ICE/CBP agent also shouldn't automatically be considered interfering.

Why should I trust the words and actions of ICE/CBP agents? They were caught on video telling a physician who wanted to help Renee Good - "I don’t care.” They have demonstrated a callous disregard for the rights and lives of US citizens.

You can believe them if you choose to but don't expect me to and don't think that I'm going to buy the "he was interfering" argument without questioning the agents' words and actions. ICE/CBP through their own words and actions has lost the credibility that I give to reputable law enforcement officers.

[Gil Dobie]

You are going off track again. The agent getting Pretti off the street happened prior to the incident with the woman. That is interfering and illegal. Not justification for getting shot, but reckless behavior for a person that is carrying.

How? How was Pretti being in the street interfering with the LE operation? What about the situation justified the agent "getting Pettri off the street"?

I'm all for respecting LE but this was a protest and people are allowed to observe, film, etc. Where they stand should only matter if they're actually in the way of the operation. ICE/CBP not liking where they're standing shouldn't automatically be considered interfering. Assisting a woman who was violently shoved to the ground by an ICE/CBP agent also shouldn't automatically be considered interfering.

Why should I trust the words and actions of ICE/CBP agents? They were caught on video telling a physician who wanted to help Renee Good - "I don’t care.” They have demonstrated a callous disregard for the rights and lives of US citizens.

You can believe them if you choose to but don't expect me to and don't think that I'm going to buy the "he was interfering" argument without questioning the agents' words and actions. ICE/CBP through their own words and actions has lost the credibility that I give to reputable law enforcement officers.

Really nothing to discuss. Reckless behavior in a high tension area with a conceal carry. The investigation will determine everything else.

1. Border Patrol removed Pretti from street with words exchanged
2. Shortly after, officers have a person detained on street as Pretti yells leave her alone
3. Pretti back on street directing traffic
4. Encounter leading to shooting

https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/25/us/alex- ... esses-invs