College Insider Mid-Major poll

[clenz]

1. Butler (28) 1-0 768 1
2. Gonzaga (3) 1-0 730 2
3. Siena 1-0 709 3
4. Northern Iowa 1-0 655 4
5. Western Kentucky 0-0 618 5
6. Old Dominion 1-0 603 6
7. George Mason 2-0 489 12
8. VCU 1-0 456 11
9. Rider 1-0 437 19
10. Cornell 1-0 425 18
11. Creighton 0-1 423 7
12. Portland 1-0 380 15
13. Illinois State 1-0 359 16
14. Wright State 2-1 351 9
15. Northeastern 0-0 307 13
16. Akron 0-1 261 8
17. Niagara 0-1 251 10
18. Long Beach State 1-0 168 20
19. San Diego 1-0 154 NR
20. Oakland 0-1 125 14
21. South Alabama 2-1 124 21
22. St. Mary's 1-0 96 23
23. Radford 1-0 87 25
24. Davidson 0-1 81 24
25. Texas San Antonio 1-0 77 NR


OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: Southern Illinois 62, College of Charleston 59, North Texas 51, Ken State 50, Wisconsin Green Bay 48, IUPUI 47, Morgan State 44, Sam Houston State 43, UC Santa Barbara 42, Coastal Carolina 36, Harvard 35, Boston University 34, Montana 33, Weber State 29, Milwaukee 28, Jacksonville 26, Buffalo 19, Wichita State 19, Murray State 17, Troy 17, Cleveland State 16, Eastern Michigan 16, Mercer 16, Texas A&M Corpus Christi 12, North Dakota State 12, Bradley 10, Mount St Mary's 10, Appalachian State 9, Morehead State 9, Pacific 9, Western Carolina 9, Holy Cross 8, Santa Clara 8, Vermont 8, Norfolk State 7, Princeton 6, Middle Tennessee State 5, East Tennessee State 4, American 3, Detroit 3, Lehigh 3, Chicago State 2, Loyola (Chicago) 2, South Dakota 2, Austin Peay 1, Denver 1, Quinnipiac 1.


VOTING PANEL: Randy Bennett (St. Mary's), Will Brown (Albany), Rick Byrd (Belmont), Dave Calloway (Monmouth), Kermit Davis (Middle Tennessee), Steve Donahue (Cornell), Anthony Evans (Norfolk State), James Fox (Davidson), Mike Gillian (Longwood), Steve Hawkins (Western Michigan), Dick Hunsaker (Utah Valley), Eddie Jackson (American), Kerry Keating (Santa Clara) *, Billy Kennedy (Murray State), Tod Kowalczyk (UW-Green Bay), Jim Larranaga (George Mason), Jim Les (Bradley), Mike Lonergan (Vermont), Bob Marlin (Sam Houston State), Gregg Marshall (Wichita State), Tom Moore (Quinnipiac), Jimmy Patsos (Loyola MD), Tom Pecora (Hofstra), Vann Pettaway (Alabama A&M), Rick Scruggs (Gardner-Webb), John Shulman (Chattanooga), Brad Stevens (Butler), Gary Stewart (UC Davis), Scott Sutton (Oral Roberts), Wayne Tinkle (Montana), Ernie Zeigler (Central Michigan)

UNI plays Siena in December in Cedar Falls...huge match up there.


Tried to bold all the FCS football programs, but I'm sure I missed some

[AZGrizFan]

1. Butler (28) 1-0 768 1
2. Gonzaga (3) 1-0 730 2
3. Siena 1-0 709 3
4. Northern Iowa 1-0 655 4
5. Western Kentucky 0-0 618 5
6. Old Dominion 1-0 603 6
7. George Mason 2-0 489 12
8. VCU 1-0 456 11
9. Rider 1-0 437 19
10. Cornell 1-0 425 18
11. Creighton 0-1 423 7
12. Portland 1-0 380 15
13. Illinois State 1-0 359 16
14. Wright State 2-1 351 9
15. Northeastern 0-0 307 13
16. Akron 0-1 261 8
17. Niagara 0-1 251 10
18. Long Beach State 1-0 168 20
19. San Diego 1-0 154 NR
20. Oakland 0-1 125 14
21. South Alabama 2-1 124 21
22. St. Mary's 1-0 96 23
23. Radford 1-0 87 25
24. Davidson 0-1 81 24
25. Texas San Antonio 1-0 77 NR


OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: Southern Illinois 62, College of Charleston 59, North Texas 51, Ken State 50, Wisconsin Green Bay 48, IUPUI 47, Morgan State 44, Sam Houston State 43, UC Santa Barbara 42, Coastal Carolina 36, Harvard 35, Boston University 34, Montana 33, Weber State 29, Milwaukee 28, Jacksonville 26, Buffalo 19, Wichita State 19, Murray State 17, Troy 17, Cleveland State 16, Eastern Michigan 16, Mercer 16, Texas A&M Corpus Christi 12, North Dakota State 12, Bradley 10, Mount St Mary's 10, Appalachian State 9, Morehead State 9, Pacific 9, Western Carolina 9, Holy Cross 8, Santa Clara 8, Vermont 8, Norfolk State 7, Princeton 6, Middle Tennessee State 5, East Tennessee State 4, American 3, Detroit 3, Lehigh 3, Chicago State 2, Loyola (Chicago) 2, South Dakota 2, Austin Peay 1, Denver 1, Quinnipiac 1.

Tried to bold all the FCS football programs, but I'm sure I missed some

You missed San Diego, Northeastern and SHSU.

[clenz]

They don't really matter though...


Honestly I did pretty good then, I thought I missed more than that. I just did a real quick skim of it.

[AZGrizFan]

They don't really matter though...


Honestly I did pretty good then, I thought I missed more than that. I just did a real quick skim of it.

Oh, and Jacksonville too.

[clenz]

Again...do they really count?

[Franks Tanks]

1. Butler (28) 1-0 768 1
2. Gonzaga (3) 1-0 730 2
3. Siena 1-0 709 3
4. Northern Iowa 1-0 655 4
5. Western Kentucky 0-0 618 5
6. Old Dominion 1-0 603 6
7. George Mason 2-0 489 12
8. VCU 1-0 456 11
9. Rider 1-0 437 19
10. Cornell 1-0 425 18
11. Creighton 0-1 423 7
12. Portland 1-0 380 15
13. Illinois State 1-0 359 16
14. Wright State 2-1 351 9
15. Northeastern 0-0 307 13
16. Akron 0-1 261 8
17. Niagara 0-1 251 10
18. Long Beach State 1-0 168 20
19. San Diego 1-0 154 NR
20. Oakland 0-1 125 14
21. South Alabama 2-1 124 21
22. St. Mary's 1-0 96 23
23. Radford 1-0 87 25
24. Davidson 0-1 81 24
25. Texas San Antonio 1-0 77 NR


OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: Southern Illinois 62, College of Charleston 59, North Texas 51, Ken State 50, Wisconsin Green Bay 48, IUPUI 47, Morgan State 44, Sam Houston State 43, UC Santa Barbara 42, Coastal Carolina 36, Harvard 35, Boston University 34, Montana 33, Weber State 29, Milwaukee 28, Jacksonville 26, Buffalo 19, Wichita State 19, Murray State 17, Troy 17, Cleveland State 16, Eastern Michigan 16, Mercer 16, Texas A&M Corpus Christi 12, North Dakota State 12, Bradley 10, Mount St Mary's 10, Appalachian State 9, Morehead State 9, Pacific 9, Western Carolina 9, Holy Cross 8, Santa Clara 8, Vermont 8, Norfolk State 7, Princeton 6, Middle Tennessee State 5, East Tennessee State 4, American 3, Detroit 3, Lehigh 3, Chicago State 2, Loyola (Chicago) 2, South Dakota 2, Austin Peay 1, Denver 1, Quinnipiac 1.


VOTING PANEL: Randy Bennett (St. Mary's), Will Brown (Albany), Rick Byrd (Belmont), Dave Calloway (Monmouth), Kermit Davis (Middle Tennessee), Steve Donahue (Cornell), Anthony Evans (Norfolk State), James Fox (Davidson), Mike Gillian (Longwood), Steve Hawkins (Western Michigan), Dick Hunsaker (Utah Valley), Eddie Jackson (American), Kerry Keating (Santa Clara) *, Billy Kennedy (Murray State), Tod Kowalczyk (UW-Green Bay), Jim Larranaga (George Mason), Jim Les (Bradley), Mike Lonergan (Vermont), Bob Marlin (Sam Houston State), Gregg Marshall (Wichita State), Tom Moore (Quinnipiac), Jimmy Patsos (Loyola MD), Tom Pecora (Hofstra), Vann Pettaway (Alabama A&M), Rick Scruggs (Gardner-Webb), John Shulman (Chattanooga), Brad Stevens (Butler), Gary Stewart (UC Davis), Scott Sutton (Oral Roberts), Wayne Tinkle (Montana), Ernie Zeigler (Central Michigan)

UNI plays Siena in December in Cedar Falls...huge match up there.


Tried to bold all the FCS football programs, but I'm sure I missed some

You missed Northeastern, San Diego, Davidson, Morgan State, Sam Houston, Jacksonville, Murray State, Morehead State, Norfolk State and Autin Peay---but other than that right on the money.

[wkuhillhound]

The current poll as of 11/23/09

1. Butler (28) 3-0 772 1
2. Gonzaga (3) 2-1 746 2
3. Old Dominion 4-0 637 6
4. Siena 2-1 627 3
5. Western Kentucky 1-1 605 5
6. VCU 2-1 561 8
7. Northern Iowa 2-1 553 4
8. Creighton 2-1 521 11
9. Portland 3-0 467 12
10. Cornell 2-1 456 10
11. George Mason 3-2 444 7
12. Illinois State 2-0 388 13
13. Wright State 2-1 369 14
14. Rider 2-2 311 9
15. Niagara 3-2 234 17
16. Northeastern 1-1 224 15
17. Long Beach State 3-1 187 18
18. Akron 2-2 163 16
19. Ohio 3-0 155 NR
20. Detroit 4-1 153 NR
21. Cal State Fullerton 2-0 142 NR
22. St. Mary's 2-1 115 22
23. Murray State 3-1 103 NR
24. Radford 2-1 100 23
25. Northern Colorado 5-0 99 NR

OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: Texas-San Antonio 91, San Diego 87, Morgan State 69, Missouri State 59, Kent State 53, Southern Illinois 46, North Texas 45, Pacific 41, South Alabama 37, Wichita State 34, Cleveland State 30, Boston University 28, Buffalo 23, Vermont 23, UC Santa Barbara 22, College of Charleston 20, Jacksonville 17, Oakland 17, Wofford 17, Wisconsin Green-Bay 16, Milwaukee 16, IUPUI 15, Indiana State 14, Appalachian State 12, Holy Cross 11, Troy 10, Princeton 9, Davidson 8, Eastern Michigan 8, Campbell 7, Norfolk State 7, Bradley 6, Montana 6, Mount St Mary's 6, Stony Brook 6, Western Carolina 6, Furman 4, Sam Houston State 4, Ball State 3, Denver 3, Morehead State 2, Chicago State 2, Bucknell 1, Robert Morris 1, Western Michigan 1.

All bolded teams are current FCS football programs.

[SuperHornet]

Two beefs with this: how the cr@p is undefeated UOP not in the main poll? They should be in the Top 10. And how the cr@p is a team that beat B(C)$ Oregon State not getting a SINGLE vote?!?

People aren't paying attention to cr@p out west again....

[BlueHen86]

Two beefs with this: how the cr@p is undefeated UOP not in the main poll? They should be in the Top 10. And how the cr@p is a team that beat B(C)$ Oregon State not getting a SINGLE vote?!?

People aren't paying attention to cr@p out west again....

I'm pretty sure that it's okay to say crap on this site.

Also, Oregon St. sucks, I wouldn't use them as the highlight of a resume. They are 1-3 with losses to Texas A&M Corpus Christi, Sacramento St. and Texas Tech. Their only win is against South Dakota.

[Mvemjsunpx]

Two beefs with this: how the cr@p is undefeated UOP not in the main poll? They should be in the Top 10. And how the cr@p is a team that beat B(C)$ Oregon State not getting a SINGLE vote?!?

People aren't paying attention to cr@p out west again....

I'm pretty sure that it's okay to say crap on this site.

Also, Oregon St. sucks, I wouldn't use them as the highlight of a resume. They are 1-3 with losses to Texas A&M Corpus Christi, Sacramento St. and Texas Tech. Their only win is against South Dakota.

Not to mention that Sac State went 2-27 last year.

[SuperHornet]

BlueHen: Corpus Christi isn't too far removed from a dance ticket. They can't be THAT bad.

Venus: Sac already has three wins and looks well on their way to a fourth today. Last year's 2-27 is MEANINGLESS.

[BlueHen86]

BlueHen: Corpus Christi isn't too far removed from a dance ticket. They can't be THAT bad.

Venus: Sac already has three wins and looks well on their way to a fourth today. Last year's 2-27 is MEANINGLESS.

But Oregon St is, and that is the point. If you are 3-3, and your best win is Oregon St, you shouldn't expect to be ranked.

[Mvemjsunpx]

Venus: Sac already has three wins and looks well on their way to a fourth today

No, apparently not.

. Last year's 2-27 is MEANINGLESS.

How is it meaningless in this discussion? My point was that pollsters don't rank teams that won just two games the previous year based on one win over a weak major. It was definitely a good win for Sac, but hardly a great win in the national context.

I will say, however, that the pollsters are jumping on the NoCo bandwagon a little early. The Bears are 6-0, but have only beaten one team that isn't terrible (Texas Southern).

[SuperHornet]

Well, I must say, Venus, you are the only one so far to give us ANY shred of credit for that win, so I guess I'll have to take it for now. I have no pretensions of making the NCAAs (that belongs to MSU this year), but I do believe that Sac will be MUCH improved, despite what those ECBers maintain (they think ANYONE in the Pac-10 is weak).

As for that Riverside game, well, at the time I posted, it looked like Sac had a pretty good shot at it. How they played the game they did and then failed to cover a tip-in play beats me.

Many at SacBuzz were all over Katz last year though he was trying to make do with what was left over from the previous incompetent regime. He's starting to get results now that his own are taking over. World beaters? Not this year. But certainly a whole lot better than in the past.

[AppStateAlumQC]

Watch out for the WCC. It's not just Gonzaga this year as Saint Mary's looks strong again at 4-1. San Diego looks pretty good at 4-2 and Portland is off to a fast start at 5-0.

[odualum08]

You're going to want to unbold northeastern

[Mvemjsunpx]

Well, I must say, Venus, you are the only one so far to give us ANY shred of credit for that win, so I guess I'll have to take it for now. I have no pretensions of making the NCAAs (that belongs to MSU this year), but I do believe that Sac will be MUCH improved, despite what those ECBers maintain (they think ANYONE in the Pac-10 is weak).

As for that Riverside game, well, at the time I posted, it looked like Sac had a pretty good shot at it. How they played the game they did and then failed to cover a tip-in play beats me.

Many at SacBuzz were all over Katz last year though he was trying to make do with what was left over from the previous incompetent regime. He's starting to get results now that his own are taking over. World beaters? Not this year. But certainly a whole lot better than in the past.

Sac is no doubt improved, but that's still a far cry from receiving votes in the mid-major top-25.

[OSBF]

College insider can kiss my ass. Illinois State, or any other MVC mens basketball program is not a fucking "mid major", whatever that means. It's a term invented by the BCS conferences to further draw a line. If you buy into it, only serves to deepen the divide.

[clenz]

College insider can kiss my ass. Illinois State, or any other MVC mens basketball program is not a fucking "mid major", whatever that means. It's a term invented by the BCS conferences to further draw a line. If you buy into it, only serves to deepen the divide.

Agreed. A lot of people actually put the MVC into a High Major Category. This is usually what I see


BCS
ACC
Big 12
Big East
Big Ten
Pac-10
SEC

High-Major
Atlantic 10
Conference USA
MVC
MWC
WAC

Mid-Major
Big West
Colonial
Horizon
MAC
MAAC
Southern
Sun Belt
WCC


I'm assuming if your conference didn't make that list they would be a Low-Major

[OSBF]

We made a small gain this year with ESPN. They are no longer including the MVC or the MWC in their mid-major poll. Stands to reason, they bought the broadcast rights to the MVC-MWC challenge, and ESPN would never want to admit to contractualy jumping into bed with mid-major conferences.

ISU is @ Utah on Dec 19th as part of the MVC/MWC challenge. Rumor is the game will be on the Deuce. Our home game vs Niagra on Dec 13th should also be on the deuce.

[AZGrizFan]

College insider can kiss my ass. Illinois State, or any other MVC mens basketball program is not a fucking "mid major", whatever that means. It's a term invented by the BCS conferences to further draw a line. If you buy into it, only serves to deepen the divide.

Agreed. A lot of people actually put the MVC into a High Major Category. This is usually what I see


BCS
ACC
Big 12
Big East
Big Ten
Pac-10
SEC

High-Major
Atlantic 10
Conference USA
MVC
MWC
WAC

Mid-Major
Big West
Colonial
Horizon
MAC
MAAC
Southern
Sun Belt
WCC


I'm assuming if your conference didn't make that list they would be a Low-Major

Sure are a lot of Big Sky Conference teams getting votes in the Mid Major Poll for not being on the Mid Major list...

[SuperHornet]

Once again, this is hogwash. If you go by individual teams, the classification can change. This is particularly true for the "mid-major" conferences, where the top teams can actually be high-major (read: Gonzaga) and the lesser teams (read: San Fran) could actually be considered low-major. Of course, the B(C)$ and the A-10 won't allow that subclassification for THEIR schools and get away with it because they control the $$. An argument could be made that MVC/MWC/WAC/C-USA are actually mid-major, but that's beside the point. The top members of each conference (UOP, SW MO St, Utah, etc.) would be seen by TRUE fans as better than the bottom half of even B(C)$ conferences and on some days better than the top B(C)$ teams.

But I WILL agree with OSBF that the entire classification scheme exists to keep the B(C)$ and (to a lesser extent) the A-10 in the $$. Perhaps we should investigate the idea of returning from FBS/FCS to I-A/I-AA and extending the designation to hoops. It might be going a bit far to extend it to baseball given the success of the Big West in that sport, but at least a separate tournament for I-AA hoops would generate SOME revenue (even if not the bonanza of the I-A tournament) and these schools would get SOME recognition vice the vast attitude of ignoring them that pervades the bogus media.

[clenz]

Once again, this is hogwash. If you go by individual teams, the classification can change. This is particularly true for the "mid-major" conferences, where the top teams can actually be high-major (read: Gonzaga) and the lesser teams (read: San Fran) could actually be considered low-major. Of course, the B(C)$ and the A-10 won't allow that subclassification for THEIR schools and get away with it because they control the $$. An argument could be made that MVC/MWC/WAC/C-USA are actually mid-major, but that's beside the point. The top members of each conference (UOP, SW MO St, Utah, etc.) would be seen by TRUE fans as better than the bottom half of even B(C)$ conferences and on some days better than the top B(C)$ teams.

But I WILL agree with OSBF that the entire classification scheme exists to keep the B(C)$ and (to a lesser extent) the A-10 in the $$. Perhaps we should investigate the idea of returning from FBS/FCS to I-A/I-AA and extending the designation to hoops. It might be going a bit far to extend it to baseball given the success of the Big West in that sport, but at least a separate tournament for I-AA hoops would generate SOME revenue (even if not the bonanza of the I-A tournament) and these schools would get SOME recognition vice the vast attitude of ignoring them that pervades the bogus media.

1AA basketball? Ha, watch programs fold...and fold fast.

[siuham]

It's funny to be on the side that's getting votes from name recognition and nothing else. lol

[JALMOND]

Lost in the hype of the Oregon-Oregon State football game and also lost here is the fact that U of Portland was ranked #25 in the last AP poll. I say happily that U of Portland WAS ranked. Also lost in the hoopla is that Portland State knocked off Portland and their ranking 86-82 last night. PSU has now won the last five meetings with the Pilots.

"To me, you'll still be the same little ass**** who used to follow me around in the sticks"---Bob Valenzuela, "La Bamba".