Roe v Wade Anniversary

[houndawg]

I'd rather row than wade, my feet stay dry that way.

[ASUMountaineer]

a fetus grows into a human being we all know that. arms form, legs form, toes, eyes, heart, mind............abortion wipes this out. If something is growing, it's living. Yes, abortion is murder. I don't see any argument here. pro-choice people endorse it because, for the most part, the majority of pro-choice people believe in no God, believe that a woman is much better off without a man, the days of a sound family unit, one mother and one father are archaic and oppressive, and that nobody other than white conservatives should bear the brunt of responsibility while everybody else, gets to suck off of the gravy train. I'm sorry, the truth hurts.

This "one way view" is hard for me to comprehend...because life isn't the same for everyone. If my wife (and I know, it's VERY RARE) is pregnant and having the child could seriously endanger her life, that little baby is going bye bye. If you think that makes me a murderer, so be it. But, in my house, with my family, and my life...my wife is more important. And, as a libertarian, I don't want some POS politician telling me what kind of medical decisions my wife and I can make.

Look, I'm not supporting "convenience" abortions and I will concede that Roe v. Wade was a bad decision, in that there's no "right to privacy." However, I don't think the government has the right to tell my family how we will handle medical procedures, especially when it comes to a life and death situation for my family.

I suppose Terri Schiavo was murdered too, if only the government could have intervened even more!

[youngterrier]

a fetus grows into a human being we all know that. arms form, legs form, toes, eyes, heart, mind............abortion wipes this out. If something is growing, it's living. Yes, abortion is murder. I don't see any argument here. pro-choice people endorse it because, for the most part, the majority of pro-choice people believe in no God, believe that a woman is much better off without a man, the days of a sound family unit, one mother and one father are archaic and oppressive, and that nobody other than white conservatives should bear the brunt of responsibility while everybody else, gets to suck off of the gravy train. I'm sorry, the truth hurts.

This "one way view" is hard for me to comprehend...because life isn't the same for everyone. If my wife (and I know, it's VERY RARE) is pregnant and having the child could seriously endanger her life, that little baby is going bye bye. If you think that makes me a murderer, so be it. But, in my house, with my family, and my life...my wife is more important. And, as a libertarian, I don't want some POS politician telling me what kind of medical decisions my wife and I can make.

Look, I'm not supporting "convenience" abortions and I will concede that Roe v. Wade was a bad decision, in that there's no "right to privacy." However, I don't think the government has the right to tell my family how we will handle medical procedures, especially when it comes to a life and death situation for my family.

I suppose Terri Schiavo was murdered too, if only the government could have intervened even more!

My thoughts exactly...I'm Pro-Privacy

[Purple For Life]

So intriguing to watch a bunch of men, physically incapable of being pregnant, hen peck each other over something they never personally have to worry about.

[catamount man]

So intriguing to watch a bunch of men, physically incapable of being pregnant, hen peck each other over something they never personally have to worry about.

If I impregnate a woman and she aborts it without consulting me, you bet your ass I have a right to " hen peck" toots!

[D1B]

So intriguing to watch a bunch of men, physically incapable of being pregnant, hen peck each other over something they never personally have to worry about.

Oh noooooo. All the the women confide in Joltin Joe about their abortions.

[D1B]

So intriguing to watch a bunch of men, physically incapable of being pregnant, hen peck each other over something they never personally have to worry about.

If I impregnate a woman and she aborts it without consulting me, you bet your ass I have a right to " hen peck" toots!

Dream on Phillip. You have NO say in the matter, other than to pay for it.

[SeattleGriz]

Abortion is a womens health issue. I don't give a fuck what you think.

Out of curiosity, what health issue does pregnancy cause? Unexplained death in women? High blood pressure?

[SeattleGriz]

As always, I'm pro life and believe in a woman's right to choose.

My friend...you can not be both...

Sure you can. I am pro choice for those who choose to be responsible and use protection and pro life that they bring the baby to term!!

While I understand the issue with the Catholic church and contraception, there are many more that choose to be irresponsible and not take adequate prevention methods. Abortion is for the lazy and selfish.

[catamount man]

If I impregnate a woman and she aborts it without consulting me, you bet your ass I have a right to " hen peck" toots!

Dream on Phillip. You have NO say in the matter, other than to pay for it.

you kiss my ass you fat fucking piece of shit. That LIVING, GROWING CHILD is mine and neither you or any other goddamned God hating athiest liberal sack of shit have a right to say what happens to it.

[D1B]

Abortion is a womens health issue. I don't give a fuck what you think.

Out of curiosity, what health issue does pregnancy cause? Unexplained death in women? High blood pressure?

Poverty, suffering, lost potential, disempowerment and reliance on men and government, depression, loss of education and quality of life.... 9 months of discomfort, horrendous pain of child birth thanks to your fucking god...

SG, why does god abort so many babies?

[D1B]

Dream on Phillip. You have NO say in the matter, other than to pay for it.

you kiss my ass you fat fucking piece of shit. That LIVING, GROWING CHILD is mine and neither you or any other goddamned God hating athiest liberal sack of shit have a right to say what happens to it.

No shit cunt stain. I don't have a say. Again, the woman does. It's HER choice if she wants you involved or not. It's also her choice whether to acknowledge your opinion on the matter. Women are in charge, Buster.

[CID1990]

I believe that abortion is the heinous elective killing of a human being...

If a woman wants to go have an abortion, then have at it.

A very strange position IMO.

Not strange at all.

Do you think that it is not possible to be against something on moral or ethical grounds, yet simultaneously of the mind that the government should not be in the business of prohibiting it? I don't like cock$uckers who burn the flag, but I don't think we should have a law that prevents cock$uckers from being cock$uckers.

There are plenty of things in this country that are perfectly legal that I do not agree with, but I don't call on the government to prohibit them just because I think they are repulsive. I just prefer to treat other people as I would have them treat me. In other words, leave me the fvck alone, and I'll leave you the fvck alone. I think it is personally pretty asinine that so many people of ALL political persuasions like to use the government as their personal bludgeon to shape behavior.

[CID1990]

you kiss my ass you fat **** piece of ****. That LIVING, GROWING CHILD is mine and neither you or any other goddamned God hating athiest liberal sack of **** have a right to say what happens to it.

No **** kitty stain. I don't have a say. Again, the woman does. It's HER choice if she wants you involved or not. It's also her choice whether to acknowledge your opinion on the matter. Women are in charge, Buster.

So how many nights did you spend on your couch until you figured that one out, D?

[JayJ79]

While I understand the issue with the Catholic church and contraception,

I'll never understand that issue in the slightest.
In that, I will never understand the Catholic Church's choice to be anti-contraception.
But then, there is much about churches (especially the Catholics) that I'll never understand.

[SeattleGriz]

Out of curiosity, what health issue does pregnancy cause? Unexplained death in women? High blood pressure?

Poverty, suffering, lost potential, disempowerment and reliance on men and government, depression, loss of education and quality of life.... 9 months of discomfort, horrendous pain of child birth thanks to your fucking god...

SG, why does god abort so many babies?

I already told you. God does not abort babies. Over 50% of spontaneous abortions are due to genetic defects. If someone has an issue with spontaneous abortion, we now have testing that will pinpoint the genetic fault.

That is not God, that is either faulty DNA passed down through the lineage, or due to environmental factors that cause DNA damage.

As much as you try to paint God into a corner, I don't believe He interferes with our free will. What a petty God you portray. Believe in me or I shall kill your baby.

[D1B]

No **** kitty stain. I don't have a say. Again, the woman does. It's HER choice if she wants you involved or not. It's also her choice whether to acknowledge your opinion on the matter. Women are in charge, Buster.

So how many nights did you spend on your couch until you figured that one out, D?

A few more than catman. obviously.

[D1B]

Poverty, suffering, lost potential, disempowerment and reliance on men and government, depression, loss of education and quality of life.... 9 months of discomfort, horrendous pain of child birth thanks to your fucking god...

SG, why does god abort so many babies?

I already told you. God does not abort babies. Over 50% of spontaneous abortions are due to genetic defects. If someone has an issue with spontaneous abortion, we now have testing that will pinpoint the genetic fault.

That is not God, that is either faulty DNA passed down through the lineage, or due to environmental factors that cause DNA damage.

As much as you try to paint God into a corner, I don't believe He interferes with our free will. What a petty God you portray. Believe in me or I shall kill your baby.

What happens to those fetuses?

[JayJ79]

I already told you. God does not abort babies. Over 50% of spontaneous abortions are due to genetic defects. If someone has an issue with spontaneous abortion, we now have testing that will pinpoint the genetic fault.

That is not God, that is either faulty DNA passed down through the lineage, or due to environmental factors that cause DNA damage.

As much as you try to paint God into a corner, I don't believe He interferes with our free will. What a petty God you portray. Believe in me or I shall kill your baby.

So God has no control over genetics?

And does that make people that get pregnant, even though they have that genetic fault, murderers?

[SeattleGriz]

What happens to those fetuses?

Well, if you look at the story of King David, he wept and prayed for days while his child was ill. When his child died, he stopped crying and carrying on, and it confused everyone. Finally someone asked him why he made such a big deal when his child was alive, only to act like nothing happened when he did die.

King Davids response was that his child was in heaven, and therefore no reason to carry on anymore. While I can't point to any specific passage in regards to "proof" kids get a free pass, I always took that story to mean God "grandfathers" children into heaven.

I happen to believe life on Earth is all about us learning about the consequences of our choices. A fetus didn't even have a chance, so how could it be held accountable?

I wish I had a better answer than this, but that is always what I have believed. I also will say that I came to God later in life and didn't have anyone to "force" certain beliefs down my throat. I choose to believe that God is caring. What more could God ask of me other than treating others well and taking my lumps when I make stupid choices.

[SeattleGriz]

I already told you. God does not abort babies. Over 50% of spontaneous abortions are due to genetic defects. If someone has an issue with spontaneous abortion, we now have testing that will pinpoint the genetic fault.

That is not God, that is either faulty DNA passed down through the lineage, or due to environmental factors that cause DNA damage.

As much as you try to paint God into a corner, I don't believe He interferes with our free will. What a petty God you portray. Believe in me or I shall kill your baby.

So God has no control over genetics?

And does that make people that get pregnant, even though they have that genetic fault, murderers?

God has control over everything, but how does his manipulating your DNA bring you to accept Him as God? I have said it before. Forcing others to bow down to you is not free will, it is coercion. God wants you to choose on your own. Not make you choose Him.

And no, it does not make those who spontaneously abort murderers. That is life on Earth.

[D1B]

So God has no control over genetics?

And does that make people that get pregnant, even though they have that genetic fault, murderers?

God has control over everything, but how does his manipulating your DNA bring you to accept Him as God? I have said it before. Forcing others to bow down to you is not free will, it is coercion. God wants you to choose on your own. Not make you choose Him.

And no, it does not make those who spontaneously abort murderers. That is life on Earth.

You havent read the bible have you?

[native]

So God has no control over genetics?

And does that make people that get pregnant, even though they have that genetic fault, murderers?

God has control over everything, but how does his manipulating your DNA bring you to accept Him as God? I have said it before. Forcing others to bow down to you is not free will, it is coercion. God wants you to choose on your own. Not make you choose Him.

And no, it does not make those who spontaneously abort murderers. That is life on Earth.

Articulate answer, SeattleGriz, but don't take the left-wing-nuts seriously. They don't really give a shit about abortion. They only bring it up to drive a wedge between social conservatives and libertarians.

[D1B]

What happens to those fetuses?

Well, if you look at the story of King David, he wept and prayed for days while his child was ill. When his child died, he stopped crying and carrying on, and it confused everyone. Finally someone asked him why he made such a big deal when his child was alive, only to act like nothing happened when he did die.

King Davids response was that his child was in heaven, and therefore no reason to carry on anymore. While I can't point to any specific passage in regards to "proof" kids get a free pass, I always took that story to mean God "grandfathers" children into heaven.

I happen to believe life on Earth is all about us learning about the consequences of our choices. A fetus didn't even have a chance, so how could it be held accountable?

I wish I had a better answer than this, but that is always what I have believed. I also will say that I came to God later in life and didn't have anyone to "force" certain beliefs down my throat. I choose to believe that God is caring. What more could God ask of me other than treating others well and taking my lumps when I make stupid choices.

Fair enough SG. I respect your opinion. Who the fuck knows what's up....

[catamount man]

I love how the God haters want no part of God, yet when bad shit happens to the world, they want to blame God first and foremost. You can't have it both ways Francis!