THE GRIZ REIGN IS OFFICIALLY OVER!

[89Hen]

anybody providing and intelligent reason and he did provide one.

Don't worry, I won't let it go to my head.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

anybody providing and intelligent reason and he did provide one.

Don't worry, I won't let it go to my head.

With an avatar like that I don't see how you couldn't. You are living the dream.

[canyoncat]

Okay I'll give it a shot.

New coach who hasn't been a head coach at this level. Will he try to change the offense to a more wide open style of offense? Does the have the players to run the system he wants to run? If he is going to change the offense to a different system than what Hauck recruited for, will it take a couple of months or weeks to get it together? If you get the griz early in the season, I think you have the better chance of beating them.

This however doesn't mean the "reign" is officially over. Just a one year bump in the road. MSU, EWU and Weber need to become more consistant year in and year out and beat them more than once every 4 or 5 years.

[BlackFalkin]

1. If the old coach (BH) left and got promoted to a higher level & the new coach step up from a lower level to this (fcs head coach) level. We can safely assume the old coach is better than the new coach.

2. Its very likely that the Griz will have a 'down' year bc of the Head Coach change. Fact.

[Col Hogan]

1. If the old coach (BH) left and got promoted to a higher level & the new coach step up from a lower level to this (fcs head coach) level. We can safely assume the old coach is better than the new coach.

2. Its very likely that the Griz will have a 'down' year bc of the Head Coach change. Fact.

How the hell do you use "very likely" and "fact" to make the same point...

It's either likely (which means it might not happen) or its a fact which means it will happen...

Which is it???

[BlackFalkin]

1. If the old coach (BH) left and got promoted to a higher level & the new coach step up from a lower level to this (fcs head coach) level. We can safely assume the old coach is better than the new coach.

2. Its very likely that the Griz will have a 'down' year bc of the Head Coach change. Fact.

How the hell do you use "very likely" and "fact" to make the same point...
It's either likely (which means it might not happen) or its a fact which means it will happen...
Which is it???

Point is... you can make an educated guess about Montana's fate next year. And the most educated guess is that they wont win the conf in 2010. Check my Sig.

[grizzaholic]

1997 Eastern Washington
1998 Montana
1999 Montana
2000 Montana
2002 Montana St, Idaho St., Montana
2003 Montana St, N. Arizona, Montana
2004 E. Washington, Montana
2005 Montana St, E. Washington, Montana

So like I said, the 2 teams with the best shot at takin over in 2010 are EWU & MSU.

SO by using results from 4 years ago when none of the players that played then are on current teams you are basing your argument? ummmmm......yeah....

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Okay I'll give it a shot.

New coach who hasn't been a head coach at this level. Will he try to change the offense to a more wide open style of offense? Does the have the players to run the system he wants to run? If he is going to change the offense to a different system than what Hauck recruited for, will it take a couple of months or weeks to get it together? If you get the griz early in the season, I think you have the better chance of beating them.

This however doesn't mean the "reign" is officially over. Just a one year bump in the road. MSU, EWU and Weber need to become more consistent year in and year out and beat them more than once every 4 or 5 years.

I said that our most likely losses were gonna be Cal Poly, EWU, and then Montana State. The first two are road games with a new coach in the first few games of the season and it is in that kind of an environment that a new coach can make a couple of mistakes and lose a close game. If you are getting the Griz in the latter 1/2 of the season I don't feature your chances nearly as high as the early games but I think Montana State is a very rugged bunch of individuals with a lot of heart and they will give us a real game if not take us out.

The offense will be changing a little but the talent that is there now is the same kind of talent that I'm pretty sure Pflugrad would have taken if he had been in that position a couple of years ago.

[Catattack]

1. If the old coach (BH) left and got promoted to a higher level & the new coach step up from a lower level to this (fcs head coach) level. We can safely assume the old coach is better than the new coach.

2. Its very likely that the Griz will have a 'down' year bc of the Head Coach change. Fact.

How the hell do you use "very likely" and "fact" to make the same point...

It's either likely (which means it might not happen) or its a fact which means it will happen...

Which is it???

Gale: All right, ya hayseeds, it's a stick-up. Everybody freeze. Everybody down on the ground.
Feisty Hayseed: Well, which is it, young feller? You want I should freeze or get down on the ground? Mean to say, if'n I freeze, I can't rightly drop. And if'n I drop, I'm a-gonna be in motion. You see...
Gale: Shut up!
Feisty Hayseed: Okay then.
Gale: Everybody down on the ground!
Evelle: Y'all can just forget that part about freezin' now.
Gale: Better still to get down there.
Evelle: Yeah, y'all hear that, don't ya?
[Everybody lays down. Gale looks at the now-empty teller windows]
Gale: Shit! Where'd all the tellers go?
Teller's voices: We're down here, sir.
Evelle: They're on the floor as you commanded, Gale.

[kemajic]

Most educated guesses come with historical backing. Montana's history is dominating and there is not a single reason to believe they will miss a step in 2010. The last time Montana did not win the BSC was four HC's ago. Pflugrad has assembled an outstanding staff and excellent first recruiting class. Montana will be better than ever.

11 consecutive BSC titles
17 straight appearances in the playoffs
Solid returning core, including Chase Reynolds and experienced depth at QB

With that on your side, the monkey is on the back of the detractor to show otherwise; I've read nothing of credibility. So EWU is historically second best in the BSC over the last several years. That does not mean they are even close to Montana. So MSU is getting better; they were still dominated in Bozeman last year by Montana.

EWU has won but 3 of the last 17 games vs. Montana.
MSU has won but 3 of the last 24 games vs. Montana.

This thread isn't even smack; it's wishful thinking.

[SouthDakotaGrizzly]

How about these facts:

1 - Chase Reynolds is back.
2 - Andrew Selle is back.
3 - Pflugrad restocked the O-line.
4 - Breske (from the Joe Glenn staff) is back as DC and will NOT run the vanilla scheme that Paulson loved so much.
5 - Bobby Hauck is not God (despite what he may think ).
6 - The Griz have had 4 head coaches (not counting Pflugrad, who is number five) since the current streak began. The streak still exists.
7 - To say that MSU should beat the Griz in Missoula is ridiculous. In Bozeman, maybe, but in Missoula, no. The 2010 game is in Missoula.

Will there be a transition period? Yeah, it's called the Western St. game. So maybe they'll win it by 30 instead of 60. Keep in mind that the very first game of the Joe Glenn era was a 10-9 loss at home to Hofstra.

Don't worry, things will work out for the Griz. They always do .

[dbackjon]

Mariani is gone. Best chance for other teams to beat the Griz.

[SeriousKev]

I’ve been reading this board for a long time, and in general tend to stay away from discussions like this. But, I’ve definitely bit on this one. The only facts pertinent to your argument are: (1) Bobby Hauck no longer coaches at Montana, and (2) Robin Pflugrad is now the head coach. Everything after that is pure speculation. Could Montana suffer next year because of this? Sure, it could happen. But it is certainly not a fact. There have been two other coaching changes during Montana’s current conference streak, and neither prevented Montana from at least sharing the conference title. And while Bobby Hauck’s first year was not as successful as the previous year, the same cannot be said for Joe Glenn’s first year.

Your discussion also fails to factor in returning players, or mention the fact that Pflugrad is not new to the team. He is a first time head coach, but we are not exactly dealing with a guy lacking in experience, or familiarity with Montana. Plus, he’s got a staff that is extremely understanding of the system at Montana.

[MrTitleist]

252-72-6

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

I’ve been reading this board for a long time, and in general tend to stay away from discussions like this. But, I’ve definitely bit on this one. The only facts pertinent to your argument are: (1) Bobby Hauck no longer coaches at Montana, and (2) Robin Pflugrad is now the head coach. Everything after that is pure speculation. Could Montana suffer next year because of this? Sure, it could happen. But it is certainly not a fact. There have been two other coaching changes during Montana’s current conference streak, and neither prevented Montana from at least sharing the conference title. And while Bobby Hauck’s first year was not as successful as the previous year, the same cannot be said for Joe Glenn’s first year.

Your discussion also fails to factor in returning players, or mention the fact that Pflugrad is not new to the team. He is a first time head coach, but we are not exactly dealing with a guy lacking in experience, or familiarity with Montana. Plus, he’s got a staff that is extremely understanding of the system at Montana.

Heck, it looks like you've avoided ALL discussions of any type Serkey!

Welcome to the board.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Mariani is gone. Best chance for other teams to beat the Griz.

Except that we have a guy or two that are gonna take up most of the slack there.

[dbackjon]

Mariani is gone. Best chance for other teams to beat the Griz.

Except that we have a guy or two that are gonna take up most of the slack there.

No, you don't. Marc Mariani was a once in a lifetime player for a team - a true game changer. You may have guys that are good, but they are not Mariani. When Villanova shut down Mariani in the second half of the NC, the Griz were toast.

Without Mariani, you lose 2-3 games last season.

[BlackFalkin]

I’ve been reading this board for a long time, and in general tend to stay away from discussions like this. But, I’ve definitely bit on this one. The only facts pertinent to your argument are: (1) Bobby Hauck no longer coaches at Montana, and (2) Robin Pflugrad is now the head coach. Everything after that is pure speculation. Could Montana suffer next year because of this? Sure, it could happen. But it is certainly not a fact. There have been two other coaching changes during Montana’s current conference streak, and neither prevented Montana from at least sharing the conference title. And while Bobby Hauck’s first year was not as successful as the previous year, the same cannot be said for Joe Glenn’s first year.

Your discussion also fails to factor in returning players, or mention the fact that Pflugrad is not new to the team. He is a first time head coach, but we are not exactly dealing with a guy lacking in experience, or familiarity with Montana. Plus, he’s got a staff that is extremely understanding of the system at Montana.

All you did was repeat what bandl said, sit down & shut up.

Spoiler: show

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All you bandwagon griz fans need to realize a few things
1. That new coach is gonna drop the ball the first year (like most new coaches do)
2. Taiwan Jones is the real deal.
3. Montana State is much better than you think.
4. Weber State really won the Big Sky in '08
5. That red turf is gonna change things in Cheney.
6. The Griz Reign is Officially over.

[bandl]

This is quite possibly the biggest flaming piece of poo thread of started on this forum that actually isn't about shit.

[uofmman1122]

All you bandwagon griz fans need to realize a few things
1. That new coach is gonna drop the ball the first year (like most new coaches do)
2. Taiwan Jones is the real deal.
3. Montana State is much better than you think.
4. Weber State really won the Big Sky in '08
5. That red turf is gonna change things in Cheney.
6. The Griz Reign is Officially over.

1. The difference between first year coaches dropping the ball at other school, and new Griz coaches dropping the ball means that we have a good chance to go 8-3, rather than 11-0.
2. Being the #2 RB in the Big Sky is nice, I guess.
3. You're right, they are pretty darn good. But we have them in Missoula this year, and unless we lay an egg, I don't see another BSC team beating us. Not saying that I guarantee we'll go 8-0 again, but I don't think the Pflugrad change will be for the worse.
4. lol, no.
5. Yes, your school has already turned into a laughing stock.
6. We had a much bigger chance of losing our reign in 2008, and you see how that ended up.

If any team knocks us off this year, it will be MSU. It WON'T be EWU.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Except that we have a guy or two that are gonna take up most of the slack there.

No, you don't. Marc Mariani was a once in a lifetime player for a team - a true game changer. You may have guys that are good, but they are not Mariani. When Villanova shut down Mariani in the second half of the NC, the Griz were toast.

Without Mariani, you lose 2-3 games last season.

Ok Jon. You know some things but you are completely out you fucking league with Griz history on this shit brother.

Marc Mariani is a special sort of player of that there is no doubt. Joe Douglass, Mike Trevathan, Marvin Turk, Matt Well, Jimmy Farris,& Scott Gurnsey were all guys that had an impact on our team the same way Mariani has had. They all had different skill sets but brought the same kind of production that Mariani did.

You can dream about whatever you want to as far as what the Griz would or would not have done without Mariani last year but I for one would not have wanted to find out and we didn't have to BECAUSE WE DID HAVE HIM so wtf is your point? We beat you, I know it suck, but Mariani was a part of that.

We seem to have what you term "once in a lifetime" players on a pretty regular basis.

Sambrano may be that next "once in a lifetimer" that you can talk about in a few years.

We would have won all the games we did, we just would have done it in a different fashion.

[BlackFalkin]

No, you don't. Marc Mariani was a once in a lifetime player for a team - a true game changer. You may have guys that are good, but they are not Mariani. When Villanova shut down Mariani in the second half of the NC, the Griz were toast.

Without Mariani, you lose 2-3 games last season.

Ok Jon. You know some things but you are completely out you **** league with Griz history on this **** brother.

Marc Mariani is a special sort of player of that there is no doubt. Joe Douglass, Mike Trevathan, Marvin Turk, Matt Well, Jimmy Farris,& Scott Gurnsey were all guys that had an impact on our team the same way Mariani has had. They all had different skill sets but brought the same kind of production that Mariani did.

You can dream about whatever you want to as far as what the Griz would or would not have done without Mariani last year but I for one would not have wanted to find out and we didn't have to BECAUSE WE DID HAVE HIM so wtf is your point? We beat you, I know it suck, but Mariani was a part of that.

We seem to have what you term "once in a lifetime" players on a pretty regular basis.

Sambrano may be that next "once in a lifetimer" that you can talk about in a few years.

We would have won all the games we did, we just would have done it in a different fashion.

Dback has got you there, as soon as Nova shut down Mariani, it was a wrap. It sucks to admit it bc UM lost to a CAA team but its TRUE. Ursus eat that humble pie bud.

[SeriousKev]

All you did was repeat what bandl said, sit down & shut up.

All you bandwagon griz fans need to realize a few things
1. That new coach is gonna drop the ball the first year (like most new coaches do)
2. Taiwan Jones is the real deal.
3. Montana State is much better than you think.
4. Weber State really won the Big Sky in '08
5. That red turf is gonna change things in Cheney.
6. The Griz Reign is Officially over.

Thanks for the cute youtube video, that was a nice, yet ineffective touch. You actually failed to address two points I made all by myself: Pflugrad is not new to the system, the actual team is going to have an impact, not just the coaching staff. As to your points:

1. You accused me of recycling an argument made by someone else, yet you have yet to actually address the fact that there have been coaching changes at Montana and the streak has continued.
2. Taiwan Jones played against Montana last year, and he did not win the game. Chase Reynolds is also the real deal.
3. You don't know how good I think Montana State is.
4. Except they shared it. Don't let facts get in the way of your argument.
5. You are really clinging to hope if you think changing the color of a field is going to propel a team to greatness. If it were that easy, I'm sure every team in the country would be doing it.
6. Just because you use the word "official" doesn't mean it has happened yet, or that it is true.

[Ursus A. Horribilis]

Ok Jon. You know some things but you are completely out you **** league with Griz history on this **** brother.

Marc Mariani is a special sort of player of that there is no doubt. Joe Douglass, Mike Trevathan, Marvin Turk, Matt Well, Jimmy Farris,& Scott Gurnsey were all guys that had an impact on our team the same way Mariani has had. They all had different skill sets but brought the same kind of production that Mariani did.

You can dream about whatever you want to as far as what the Griz would or would not have done without Mariani last year but I for one would not have wanted to find out and we didn't have to BECAUSE WE DID HAVE HIM so wtf is your point? We beat you, I know it suck, but Mariani was a part of that.

We seem to have what you term "once in a lifetime" players on a pretty regular basis.

Sambrano may be that next "once in a lifetimer" that you can talk about in a few years.

We would have won all the games we did, we just would have done it in a different fashion.

Dback has got you there, as soon as Nova shut down Mariani, it was a wrap. It sucks to admit it bc UM lost to a CAA team but its TRUE. Ursus eat that humble pie bud.

I would BF but I didn't dispute the Nova game at all because that is a great deal of the reason we lost that one so I didn't put myself in line for any humble pie there. I disputed the other points that were inaccurate. At the end there you'll see that I said "We would have won all the games we did, we just would have done it in a different fashion." If there is some confusion there I meant "we did" as in all the games that we did win. The Nova game fall outside of that statement obviously.

[CrunchGriz]

All you did was repeat what bandl said, sit down & shut up.

All you bandwagon griz fans need to realize a few things
1. That new coach is gonna drop the ball the first year (like most new coaches do)
2. Taiwan Jones is the real deal.
3. Montana State is much better than you think.
4. Weber State really won the Big Sky in '08
5. That red turf is gonna change things in Cheney.
6. The Griz Reign is Officially over.

Thanks for the cute youtube video, that was a nice, yet ineffective touch. You actually failed to address two points I made all by myself: Pflugrad is not new to the system, the actual team is going to have an impact, not just the coaching staff. As to your points:

1. You accused me of recycling an argument made by someone else, yet you have yet to actually address the fact that there have been coaching changes at Montana and the streak has continued.
2. Taiwan Jones played against Montana last year, and he did not win the game. Chase Reynolds is also the real deal.
3. You don't know how good I think Montana State is.
4. Except they shared it. Don't let facts get in the way of your argument.
5. You are really clinging to hope if you think changing the color of a field is going to propel a team to greatness. If it were that easy, I'm sure every team in the country would be doing it.
6. Just because you use the word "official" doesn't mean it has happened yet, or that it is true.

Taiwan Jones is a very good, very fast back. Yet the fact remains that, when the chips were down last year, he flat dropped a simple fourth down screen pass that would have kept EWU's fading hopes alive, thus putting a dagger in the Eagles. He may be 'the real deal', but I'll take Chase, thanks. He flat knows how to win, and often puts his team on his back to get there.