What Do Progressives Really Stand For?

[travelinman67]

Most pure malbecs have an unsatisfying finish, but when blended with the right cabs and other varietals, the effect can be quite wonderful.

Check out the Argentinian malbecs. Tried several this past year and they were all magnificient. Not like American or French that tend to be singular and lacking complexity. Just found a Mendosa region one in a goofy blue bottle a few weeks ago at a local wholesaler/outlet for $8.99...was spectacular. Tannic, yet great fruit, chocolate, cedar, etc. 2004 but opened up and didn't really show until it had 1+ hr air time. Grand Cru quality. Went back a few days later to buy up the remaining stock and it was already sold out.

Pitched the bottle so I don't even know the name.

[kalm]

And corporatism doesn't seek control? You're painting with a rather broad brush. There are many progressives that have a libertarian streak as well.

Sorry you don't like my brush, but the fact is that the Obama Administration is the engineer driving the "Progressive" train off the cliff. They are running the show, please brighten my day and name me one "progressive" on Obama's team who has even a hint of a libertarian streak in them.

I won't hold my breath.

Please brighten my day and name one progressive on Obama's team.

[Baldy]

Sorry you don't like my brush, but the fact is that the Obama Administration is the engineer driving the "Progressive" train off the cliff. They are running the show, please brighten my day and name me one "progressive" on Obama's team who has even a hint of a libertarian streak in them.

I won't hold my breath.

Please brighten my day and name one progressive on Obama's team.

That's right, you're one of those who think that Obama isn't Leftist enough.

He's a freakin' Neo-Stalinist, what else do you want?

[houndawg]

Please brighten my day and name one progressive on Obama's team.

That's right, you're one of those who think that Obama isn't Leftist enough.

He's a freakin' Neo-Stalinist, what else do you want?

Single payer.

[Baldy]

That's right, you're one of those who think that Obama isn't Leftist enough.

He's a freakin' Neo-Stalinist, what else do you want?

Single payer.

We know, you want the government to make virtually every decision in your life.

Still trying to figure out why you think Obama and his Gangsters aren't "progressives".

[kalm]

Please brighten my day and name one progressive on Obama's team.

That's right, you're one of those who think that Obama isn't Leftist enough.

He's a freakin' Neo-Stalinist, what else do you want?

I can't help it that you conflate authoritarian communist regimes of the mid 20th century with modern European style democratic socialism or contemporary American left/center and mixed economy politics.

In many respects I think Obama is way too left when it comes to economics. But I favored a public option for healthcare reform, not because I believe in laziness, but I think that would best support small businesses domestically and attract large industry from abroad.

BTW, Larry Summers would be one example of a libertarian on the Obama team.

[houndawg]

Single payer.

We know, you want the government to make virtually every decision in your life.

Still trying to figure out why you think Obama and his Gangsters aren't "progressives".

I didn't say they weren't "progressives".

Hell, everybody is progressive compared to what we just got over.

[Baldy]

I can't help it that you conflate authoritarian communist regimes of the mid 20th century with modern European style democratic socialism or contemporary American left/center and mixed economy politics.

In many respects I think Obama is way too left when it comes to economics. But I favored a public option for healthcare reform, not because I believe in laziness, but I think that would best support small businesses domestically and attract large industry from abroad.

BTW, Larry Summers would be one example of a libertarian on the Obama team.

I can't help it that you don't know what a Neo-Stalinist is.

Obama came clean in his books and stated that he gravitated towards Marxist professors and student organizations when he was in college. Even admitted that "I chose my friends carefully".

It's as plain as the nose on your face what Obama's ideology is. If you choose not to admit the connection, that's your choice.

BTW, Larry Summers is NOT a Libertarian...not even close.

[89Hen]

to use the government to help those who can't help themselves, the problem is that the taxes raised to do so make more people that can't help themselves and each new generation wants to help people in a new way

The problem is the programs for what the taxes raised are spent on make it so more people don't want to help themselves. If we really only needed to take care of the people that can't... that would be easy.

[free7694]

Sorry, you're gonna have to do better than that.

Personally, I couldn't give a rats ass about abortion, gay marriage, etc....

BUT:
One of the main tenets of Conservatism is personal responsibility. The VAST majority of people who get abortions are using it as a means of birth control. If you are going to have sex, you should better be prepared for the consequences.

I love your "plant" analogy BTW, because it is so similar to the PROGRESSIVE proposed salt ban in NYC restaurants and the current law on the books in NYC that bans transfatty acids. Do you really want to compare marijuana, cocaine, and heroin (yes those come from "plants" too), to salt and trans fats?

It's not just our salt and trans fat intake that the PROGRESSIVES want to control. They just took the first step tonight in the government taking over our health care system. Don't forget that the legislation passed tonight also nationalized the student loan industry. They also want to control what we drive....hello GM an Chrysler. The same thing goes to education, universal preschool, commercial banking industry, cap and trade, card check, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.......

And corporatism doesn't seek control? You're painting with a rather broad brush. There are many progressives that have a libertarian streak as well.

Progressives with a libertarian streak, that's a good one...

It's like saying there are Red Sox fans that root for the Yankees in their spare time. It doesn't happen...and if it does that person is a total effing moron.

[kalm]

I can't help it that you conflate authoritarian communist regimes of the mid 20th century with modern European style democratic socialism or contemporary American left/center and mixed economy politics.

In many respects I think Obama is way too left when it comes to economics. But I favored a public option for healthcare reform, not because I believe in laziness, but I think that would best support small businesses domestically and attract large industry from abroad.

BTW, Larry Summers would be one example of a libertarian on the Obama team.

I can't help it that you don't know what a Neo-Stalinist is.

Obama came clean in his books and stated that he gravitated towards Marxist professors and student organizations when he was in college. Even admitted that "I chose my friends carefully".

It's as plain as the nose on your face what Obama's ideology is. If you choose not to admit the connection, that's your choice.

BTW, Larry Summers is NOT a Libertarian...not even close.

Look at the Time magazine cover and who Summers is standing next to. Summers and Rubin were the deregulators and that third guy is the king of magical free market principles.

So is Obama a neo-stalinist or a neo-marxist?

Be careful with your answer, we might be sending you to the Gulag first.

[free7694]

I can't help it that you don't know what a Neo-Stalinist is.

Obama came clean in his books and stated that he gravitated towards Marxist professors and student organizations when he was in college. Even admitted that "I chose my friends carefully".

It's as plain as the nose on your face what Obama's ideology is. If you choose not to admit the connection, that's your choice.

BTW, Larry Summers is NOT a Libertarian...not even close.

Look at the Time magazine cover and who Summers is standing next to. Summers and Rubin were the deregulators and that third guy is the king of magical free market principles.

So is Obama a neo-stalinist or a neo-marxist?

Be careful with your answer, we might be sending you to the Gulag first.

Actually, Obama reminds me more of Mussolini and Nero.

[Baldy]

I can't help it that you don't know what a Neo-Stalinist is.

Obama came clean in his books and stated that he gravitated towards Marxist professors and student organizations when he was in college. Even admitted that "I chose my friends carefully".

It's as plain as the nose on your face what Obama's ideology is. If you choose not to admit the connection, that's your choice.

BTW, Larry Summers is NOT a Libertarian...not even close.

Look at the Time magazine cover and who Summers is standing next to. Summers and Rubin were the deregulators and that third guy is the king of magical free market principles.

So is Obama a neo-stalinist or a neo-marxist?

Be careful with your answer, we might be sending you to the Gulag first.

Ok, gotcha....Larry Summers is a Libertarian because Time Magazine says so...

Neo-Stalinism and Neo-Marxism are the same ideology, the only real difference is the application of the theory.

[Skjellyfetti]

Actually, Obama reminds me more of Mussolini and Nero.

Do you just pick out random dictators or is there some reason behind your comparisons?


JOHN BOEHNER REMINDS ME OF VLAD THE IMPALER!!! AND ALSO IDI AMIN!!!

[native]

Most pure malbecs have an unsatisfying finish, but when blended with the right cabs and other varietals, the effect can be quite wonderful.

Check out the Argentinian malbecs. Tried several this past year and they were all magnificient. Not like American or French that tend to be singular and lacking complexity. Just found a Mendosa region one in a goofy blue bottle a few weeks ago at a local wholesaler/outlet for $8.99...was spectacular. Tannic, yet great fruit, chocolate, cedar, etc. 2004 but opened up and didn't really show until it had 1+ hr air time. Grand Cru quality. Went back a few days later to buy up the remaining stock and it was already sold out.

Pitched the bottle so I don't even know the name.

Don't know that I've ever had anything but an Argentinian malbec. I have found them to be interesting to start but not so much on the finish. I will try giving it more air time. Another trick I use is to chill a red a little more than normal and experience the different flavors as the wine warmes to room temperature.

I will look for the Mendosa in the blue bottle. Did the finish retain the excitement and/or satisfaction of your original impression?

I like malbecs fine, I just don't think they as interesting or robust as a decent cabernet. How much, if any, cab was in the malbec that you liked?

[kalm]

Look at the Time magazine cover and who Summers is standing next to. Summers and Rubin were the deregulators and that third guy is the king of magical free market principles.

So is Obama a neo-stalinist or a neo-marxist?

Be careful with your answer, we might be sending you to the Gulag first.

Ok, gotcha....Larry Summers is a Libertarian because Time Magazine says so...

Neo-Stalinism and Neo-Marxism are the same ideology, the only real difference is the application of the theory.

And the application makes all the difference in the world. One is an economic theory, the other killed millions. It's kind of like your confusion between studying Marxism in college and applying mixed economy principles as POTUS.

So again, which conspiracy theory do you subscribe to? Obama as a Marxist, or your original statement that he's a neo-Stalinist?

Larry Summers libertarian streak was on display when he pushed for the repeal of Glass-Steagal and ignored Brooksly Born's warnings about regulating the derivatives markets, and Alan Greenspan and Robert Rubin went like this

There's a reason Time put them all on the cover.

It's been apparent for some time that the neo-con economic theory of history doesn't pre-date Reagan, I didn't realize it only goes back 10 years.

But I give you a for obfuscation.

[native]

Ok, gotcha....Larry Summers is a Libertarian because Time Magazine says so...

Neo-Stalinism and Neo-Marxism are the same ideology, the only real difference is the application of the theory.

And the application makes all the difference in the world. One is an economic theory, the other killed millions. It's kind of like your confusion between studying Marxism in college and applying mixed economy principles as POTUS.

So again, which conspiracy theory do you subscribe to? Obama as a Marxist, or your original statement that he's a neo-Stalinist?

Larry Summers libertarian streak was on display when he pushed for the repeal of Glass-Steagal and ignored Brooksly Born's warnings about regulating the derivatives markets, and Alan Greenspan and Robert Rubin went like this

There's a reason Time put them all on the cover.

It's been apparent for some time that the neo-con economic theory of history doesn't pre-date Reagan, I didn't realize it only goes back 10 years.

But I give you a for obfuscation.

There is a big difference between studying marxism in college and embracing marxism in college.

Until marxism is completely dead, you and all your intentional and unintentional Alinskyite fellow travelers deserve first prize for obfuscation, kalm.

[kalm]

And the application makes all the difference in the world. One is an economic theory, the other killed millions. It's kind of like your confusion between studying Marxism in college and applying mixed economy principles as POTUS.

So again, which conspiracy theory do you subscribe to? Obama as a Marxist, or your original statement that he's a neo-Stalinist?

Larry Summers libertarian streak was on display when he pushed for the repeal of Glass-Steagal and ignored Brooksly Born's warnings about regulating the derivatives markets, and Alan Greenspan and Robert Rubin went like this

There's a reason Time put them all on the cover.

It's been apparent for some time that the neo-con economic theory of history doesn't pre-date Reagan, I didn't realize it only goes back 10 years.

But I give you a for obfuscation.

There is a big difference between studying marxism in college and embracing marxism in college.

Until marxism is completely dead, you and all your intentional and unintentional Alinskyite fellow travelers deserve first prize for obfuscation, kalm.

1) What is marxist about bailing out Wall Street while striking a deal with private insurance corporations and big pharma to get health reform passed?

2) Can you provide a link to Obama stating that he embraced Marxism in college?

3) Is Alinksy the new Kaiser Souzay?

4) The dude who compared Obama to Mussolini is far closer than either you or Baldy have gotten.

But at least we've established that it wasn't Stalinism that he embraced in college, so we're getting somewhere.

[native]

...But at least we've established that it wasn't Stalinism that he embraced in college, so we're getting somewhere.

True dat! ...but there's still that slippery slope thang...

[kalm]

...But at least we've established that it wasn't Stalinism that he embraced in college, so we're getting somewhere.

True dat! ...but there's still that slippery slope thang...

I know Nate, I'm just fuckin' with ya.

[native]

True dat! ...but there's still that slippery slope thang...

I know Nate, I'm just ****' with ya.

[native]

...the new Kaiser Souzay? ...

The first time you saw the movie, did you see that "surprise" ending coming? I had a sneaking suspicion, but couldn't quite put my finger on it until the very end...

[native]

That's right, you're one of those who think that Obama isn't Leftist enough.

He's a freakin' Neo-Stalinist, what else do you want?

I can't help it that you conflate authoritarian communist regimes of the mid 20th century with modern European style democratic socialism or contemporary American left/center and mixed economy politics.

In many respects I think Obama is way too left when it comes to economics. But I favored a public option for healthcare reform, not because I believe in laziness, but I think that would best support small businesses domestically and attract large industry from abroad.

BTW, Larry Summers would be one example of a libertarian on the Obama team.

Kalm, I have tried to imagine how we could establish some kind of public option baseline without destroying the goose that lays the golden egg. The Catholic bishops have some ideas.

Assuming just for a moment that you accept the proposition that the goose does indeed lay golden eggs, any ideas?

[houndawg]

Check out the Argentinian malbecs. Tried several this past year and they were all magnificient. Not like American or French that tend to be singular and lacking complexity. Just found a Mendosa region one in a goofy blue bottle a few weeks ago at a local wholesaler/outlet for $8.99...was spectacular. Tannic, yet great fruit, chocolate, cedar, etc. 2004 but opened up and didn't really show until it had 1+ hr air time. Grand Cru quality. Went back a few days later to buy up the remaining stock and it was already sold out.

Pitched the bottle so I don't even know the name.

Don't know that I've ever had anything but an Argentinian malbec. I have found them to be interesting to start but not so much on the finish. I will try giving it more air time. Another trick I use is to chill a red a little more than normal and experience the different flavors as the wine warmes to room temperature.

I will look for the Mendosa in the blue bottle. Did the finish retain the excitement and/or satisfaction of your original impression?

I like malbecs fine, I just don't think they as interesting or robust as a decent cabernet. How much, if any, cab was in the malbec that you liked?

The finish was both exciting and satisfying, I hope you didn't get it on your chin.

[native]

Don't know that I've ever had anything but an Argentinian malbec. I have found them to be interesting to start but not so much on the finish. I will try giving it more air time. Another trick I use is to chill a red a little more than normal and experience the different flavors as the wine warmes to room temperature.

I will look for the Mendosa in the blue bottle. Did the finish retain the excitement and/or satisfaction of your original impression?

I like malbecs fine, I just don't think they as interesting or robust as a decent cabernet. How much, if any, cab was in the malbec that you liked?

The finish was both exciting and satisfying, I hope you didn't get it on your chin.

Doesn't sound like you're talking about a malbec, dawg, but after all, you're more of a kool-aid drinker... I DO sometimes dribble a bit on that handy-dandy shelf about 12 inches below my chin...