GOP Strikes Again. Fuck The Poor

[Ibanez]

The GOP continues to fight to keep tax cuts for the rich in place at a cost of over $700 billion. OK, fine, I understand, the GOP fights for the rich, thats fine, but cant they also fight for the poor?

While fighting for those tax breaks for people rolling around in millions of dollars, the GOP has blocked a move that would give seniors $250 to help offset the lack of social security increase next year. Republicans contend the country cant afford the $14 billion that such a move would cost...

$700 billion cost to government to help the rich stay richer = OK

$14 billion cost to government to help seniors get by with their day to day living = BAD

Travis, you ignorant whore. You need to quit reading the Huffington Post. The GOP wanted to keep ALL the tax cuts in place, even Obama wanted to maintain them. Here's a headline for you

DEMOCRATS STRIKE AGAIN. FUCK AMERICA!

The issue is that both sides SAY they want to curb spending and reduce the deficit but they do not want to CONSIDER any hard sacrifice or decision for fear of losing thier seat.

[89Hen]

$50,000 gross salary (dual income)
-$17,000 taxes (using the same % you did)

Wouldn't that be a novel idea?

[AZGrizFan]

$50,000 gross salary (dual income)
-$17,000 taxes (using the same % you did)

Wouldn't that be a novel idea?

[AZGrizFan]

$210,000 gross salary (dual incomes)
- $70,000 taxes
=$140,000 after taxes
- $42,000 mortgage payment on 2,000 square foot home
=$98,000 remaining
-$24,000 put away for kids college (because I'm "rich", my kids don't qualify for student aid)
=$74,000
-$18,000 - 2 car payments (since both of us must drive lengthy distances)
=$56,000
-$26,000 - savings, since I pretty sure the money I've put into SSI will not be there when I retire
$30,000
-$12,000 - Groceries
$18,000
-$12,000 - gas, phone, power, water, sewer, garbage
$6,000 - remaining.

With that $6,000 I have to fund a 401k, buy braces, clothes, life insurance, entertainment, vacations, etc.

Is there some fluff in there? Sure....I could stop funding my kids college funds. i could get rid of a car payment and risk not making it to work because of a breakdown....I could reduce the amount I put into savings (impacting my FUTURE cash availability)...

point being, clenzy, $200,000 is by no means RICH. Do I have a good life? Sure....but I'm hardly RICH. And I'm not willing to make ANY of those sacrifices mentioned above if the government isn't willing to tighten THEIR belts first.

I thought you were driving a Corolla? What's the other car, a Bentley?

I have a Corolla, a Tundra and a Venza.

[AZGrizFan]

I love how everybody's finances are everybody's else's business.

We're waiting for you to post yours.

[Appaholic]

This sounds like a fun game to play Z...I want to try

I'll assume TBH gets a job making starting wages in her career. I'll just go with requried bills before I get into the extra stuff.

$50,000 gross salary (dual income)
-$17,000 taxes (using the same % you did)
=$34,000 after taxes
-$12,000 mortgage payment on a 1,000 square foot house
=$24,000 remaining
-$12,000 student loan repayments for TBH and I (because our parents were rich too and didn't qualify for aid...my parents make a combined 45K gross) I'd also bet our payments will be higher than this
=$12,000 remaining
-$3,000 for utilities (garbage, sewer, water, internet, cable, electricity)
$9,000 remaining
-$2,160 for cell phone (we don't have a land line)
=$6,840
-6,000 for groceries
=$840 remaining


That is for the "required" things Z. TBH and I still have gas to get to our jobs, car payments we are going to start taking over on TBH's car, and insurance for the both of us since neither of us have jobs that provide insurance, along with other bills for random house maintenance, vet bills, eye care bills, etc...


200K may not be "rich", but 200k will get you a better life anywhere in the country than 50k will.

OK. So let's cut the tax in half to get real. That alone gives you $8500 more in after tax dollars to ge with your $840 you started with.....that gives you $9340 vs AZ's $6000. You're fokking richer at $50k than AZ at $210k...what are you bitching about?

[Appaholic]

$50,000 gross salary (dual income)
-$17,000 taxes (using the same % you did)

Wouldn't that be a novel idea?

No wonder he's crying "poor mouth".....

[death dealer]

This sounds like a fun game to play Z...I want to try

I'll assume TBH gets a job making starting wages in her career. I'll just go with requried bills before I get into the extra stuff.

$50,000 gross salary (dual income)
-$17,000 taxes (using the same % you did)
=$34,000 after taxes
-$12,000 mortgage payment on a 1,000 square foot house
=$24,000 remaining
-$12,000 student loan repayments for TBH and I (because our parents were rich too and didn't qualify for aid...my parents make a combined 45K gross) I'd also bet our payments will be higher than this
=$12,000 remaining
-$3,000 for utilities (garbage, sewer, water, internet, cable, electricity)
$9,000 remaining
-$2,160 for cell phone (we don't have a land line)
=$6,840
-6,000 for groceries
=$840 remaining


That is for the "required" things Z. TBH and I still have gas to get to our jobs, car payments we are going to start taking over on TBH's car, and insurance for the both of us since neither of us have jobs that provide insurance, along with other bills for random house maintenance, vet bills, eye care bills, etc...


200K may not be "rich", but 200k will get you a better life anywhere in the country than 50k will.

Clenzy, I'm gonna say this the only way I know how, and it's gonna come off as harsh, but that's just because reality is pretty harsh. If you wanted to make $200K+/yr. you should have persued a career that pays that kind of dough. I assume that you had some inkling of the payscale associated with your chosen profession?

[death dealer]

This sounds like a fun game to play Z...I want to try

I'll assume TBH gets a job making starting wages in her career. I'll just go with requried bills before I get into the extra stuff.

$50,000 gross salary (dual income)
-$17,000 taxes (using the same % you did)
=$34,000 after taxes
-$12,000 mortgage payment on a 1,000 square foot house
=$24,000 remaining
-$12,000 student loan repayments for TBH and I (because our parents were rich too and didn't qualify for aid...my parents make a combined 45K gross) I'd also bet our payments will be higher than this
=$12,000 remaining
-$3,000 for utilities (garbage, sewer, water, internet, cable, electricity)
$9,000 remaining
-$2,160 for cell phone (we don't have a land line)
=$6,840
-6,000 for groceries
=$840 remaining


That is for the "required" things Z. TBH and I still have gas to get to our jobs, car payments we are going to start taking over on TBH's car, and insurance for the both of us since neither of us have jobs that provide insurance, along with other bills for random house maintenance, vet bills, eye care bills, etc...


200K may not be "rich", but 200k will get you a better life anywhere in the country than 50k will.

OK. So let's cut the tax in half to get real. That alone gives you $8500 more in after tax dollars to ge with your $840 you started with.....that gives you $9340 vs AZ's $6000. You're fokking richer at $50k than AZ at $210k...what are you bitching about?

Actually he can keep the whole ball of wax. A married couple making $50k together in 2010 pays a net $0 in taxes. I guess he may be paying some small amount of state tax depending upon where he lives, and the hidden stuff like gas tax, property tax, sales tax, etc. But definitely no federal.

[AZGrizFan]

This sounds like a fun game to play Z...I want to try

I'll assume TBH gets a job making starting wages in her career. I'll just go with requried bills before I get into the extra stuff.

$50,000 gross salary (dual income)
-$17,000 taxes (using the same % you did)
=$34,000 after taxes
-$12,000 mortgage payment on a 1,000 square foot house
=$24,000 remaining
-$12,000 student loan repayments for TBH and I (because our parents were rich too and didn't qualify for aid...my parents make a combined 45K gross) I'd also bet our payments will be higher than this
=$12,000 remaining
-$3,000 for utilities (garbage, sewer, water, internet, cable, electricity)
$9,000 remaining
-$2,160 for cell phone (we don't have a land line)
=$6,840
-6,000 for groceries
=$840 remaining


That is for the "required" things Z. TBH and I still have gas to get to our jobs, car payments we are going to start taking over on TBH's car, and insurance for the both of us since neither of us have jobs that provide insurance, along with other bills for random house maintenance, vet bills, eye care bills, etc...


200K may not be "rich", but 200k will get you a better life anywhere in the country than 50k will.

Clenzy, I'm gonna say this the only way I know how, and it's gonna come off as harsh, but that's just because reality is pretty harsh. If you wanted to make $200K+/yr. you should have persued a career that pays that kind of dough. I assume that you had some inkling of the payscale associated with your chosen profession?

That's why I laugh at teachers.

And why most teachers are union member/liberals. They chose a profession that pays like shit, so they want wealth redistribution to get more of the pie they didn't earn.

[AZGrizFan]

I love how everybody's finances are everybody's else's business.

We're waiting for you to post yours.

Oh, and CID: I posted my example for illustrative purposes only. I really make MUCH more than that.

[kalm]

Clenzy, I'm gonna say this the only way I know how, and it's gonna come off as harsh, but that's just because reality is pretty harsh. If you wanted to make $200K+/yr. you should have persued a career that pays that kind of dough. I assume that you had some inkling of the payscale associated with your chosen profession?

That's why I laugh at teachers.

And why most teachers are union member/liberals. They chose a profession that pays like ****, so they want wealth redistribution to get more of the pie they didn't earn.

If pie was based on what you earned their be a bunch of different salaries.

[AZGrizFan]

That's why I laugh at teachers.

And why most teachers are union member/liberals. They chose a profession that pays like ****, so they want wealth redistribution to get more of the pie they didn't earn.

If pie was based on what you earned their be a bunch of different salaries.

I have no idea what you just said. Stop talking in code.

[CID1990]

We're waiting for you to post yours.

Oh, and CID: I posted my example for illustrative purposes only. I really make MUCH more than that.

I know.

But you should know that when you give an example of your finances that the libtards and socialists are going to pontificate to you how you make too much money and how many starving Tropicals could be saved if you just gave a fraction of your sh!t away.

[AZGrizFan]

Oh, and CID: I posted my example for illustrative purposes only. I really make MUCH more than that.

I know.

But you should know that when you give an example of your finances that the libtards and socialists are going to pontificate to you how you make too much money and how many starving Tropicals could be saved if you just gave a fraction of your sh!t away.

I do give a fraction away. 36% to be exact.

[Skjellyfetti]

Damn, I'm never having kids.

$12,000 a year on groceries?!? fuck that.

[death dealer]

Damn, I'm never having kids.

For the sake of mankind, that's probably a good idea.

[clenz]

Clenzy, I'm gonna say this the only way I know how, and it's gonna come off as harsh, but that's just because reality is pretty harsh. If you wanted to make $200K+/yr. you should have persued a career that pays that kind of dough. I assume that you had some inkling of the payscale associated with your chosen profession?

I was fully aware going in, and that is why you won't really ever hear me bitch about money.

I'm not one of the greedy assholes that needs a ton of money to be happy, or goes into a profession that I hate just to make some money. If a family can't find a way to live off of 200K that is their own fucking fault. They can learn to live without the 900 channel DTV subscription, the Droid/Blackberry/iPhones that require data plans, eat less steak and more Mac and Cheese, etc...

It isn't my fault they choose to live in a place where $650K will only buy you what $200-300K will buy you else where. I understand the COL and what not. Fuck you if you don't like what it costs to live in your gated HOA area, move.

[travelinman67]

Damn, I'm never having kids.

For the sake of mankind, that's probably a good idea.

The brood...

[Ibanez]

$2,160 for cell phones? WTF?

That may be a little high, but the average bill for the month is about $150

Dude, i spend about $1,200 on cell phones for the year. cut down on all the unecessary crap.

[clenz]

That may be a little high, but the average bill for the month is about $150

Dude, i spend about $1,200 on cell phones for the year. cut down on all the unecessary crap.

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Both TBH and I also have insurance on our phones, and without looking at the bill I believe the data plan we share is extra.

[AZGrizFan]

Damn, I'm never having kids.

$12,000 a year on groceries?!? fuck that.

Really, just don't have BOYS.

[AZGrizFan]

Clenzy, I'm gonna say this the only way I know how, and it's gonna come off as harsh, but that's just because reality is pretty harsh. If you wanted to make $200K+/yr. you should have persued a career that pays that kind of dough. I assume that you had some inkling of the payscale associated with your chosen profession?

I was fully aware going in, and that is why you won't really ever hear me bitch about money.

I'm not one of the greedy assholes that needs a ton of money to be happy, or goes into a profession that I hate just to make some money. If a family can't find a way to live off of 200K that is their own fucking fault. They can learn to live without the 900 channel DTV subscription, the Droid/Blackberry/iPhones that require data plans, eat less steak and more Mac and Cheese, etc...

It isn't my fault they choose to live in a place where $650K will only buy you what $200-300K will buy you else where. I understand the COL and what not. Fuck you if you don't like what it costs to live in your gated HOA area, move.

And fuck you too. I'd rather make 200,000 and live in Phoenix than $1 million and live in Cedar Falls.

[death dealer]

Clenzy, I'm gonna say this the only way I know how, and it's gonna come off as harsh, but that's just because reality is pretty harsh. If you wanted to make $200K+/yr. you should have persued a career that pays that kind of dough. I assume that you had some inkling of the payscale associated with your chosen profession?

I was fully aware going in, and that is why you won't really ever hear me bitch about money.

I'm not one of the greedy assholes that needs a ton of money to be happy, or goes into a profession that I hate just to make some money. If a family can't find a way to live off of 200K that is their own fucking fault. They can learn to live without the 900 channel DTV subscription, the Droid/Blackberry/iPhones that require data plans, eat less steak and more Mac and Cheese, etc...

It isn't my fault they choose to live in a place where $650K will only buy you what $200-300K will buy you else where. I understand the COL and what not. Fuck you if you don't like what it costs to live in your gated HOA area, move.

Well I'm glad to hear you aren't concerned with the money. That's the right attitude. You do what you love or what you have a passion for and generally you'll be happy. It doesn't suck if what you love also pays really well. It just sounded like you were bitching about income disparities in those earlier posts.

As to a couple being able to survive on 200k, I don't think that is the point AZ was trying to make. The fact that the Dems want to paint that couple as wealthy is the problem. Depending on where they live, 200k is either a pretty decent income or maybe even just getting by in a starter home. I don't doubt that a tax increase is necessary, but I'd like to see the folks making under $50k having to pony up a share of what they make, and like some others have said, some serious belt tightening on the expenditure side before tax increases are hashed out. Cut the fat first, get the federal house in order, then look at how to make up the revenue shortfall you couldn't fix with cuts by raising taxes.

[clenz]

I was fully aware going in, and that is why you won't really ever hear me bitch about money.

I'm not one of the greedy assholes that needs a ton of money to be happy, or goes into a profession that I hate just to make some money. If a family can't find a way to live off of 200K that is their own fucking fault. They can learn to live without the 900 channel DTV subscription, the Droid/Blackberry/iPhones that require data plans, eat less steak and more Mac and Cheese, etc...

It isn't my fault they choose to live in a place where $650K will only buy you what $200-300K will buy you else where. I understand the COL and what not. Fuck you if you don't like what it costs to live in your gated HOA area, move.

Well I'm glad to hear you aren't concerned with the money. That's the right attitude. You do what you love or what you have a passion for and generally you'll be happy. It doesn't suck if what you love also pays really well. It just sounded like you were bitching about income disparities in those earlier posts.

As to a couple being able to survive on 200k, I don't think that is the point AZ was trying to make. The fact that the Dems want to paint that couple as wealthy is the problem. Depending on where they live, 200k is either a pretty decent income or maybe even just getting by in a starter home. I don't doubt that a tax increase is necessary, but I'd like to see the folks making under $50k having to pony up a share of what they make, and like some others have said, some serious belt tightening on the expenditure side before tax increases are hashed out. Cut the fat first, get the federal house in order, then look at how to make up the revenue shortfall you couldn't fix with cuts by raising taxes.

Don't get me wrong with what I've said. I agree with most of what you and Z are saying on the taxes. However, him saying that he had "only 6,000 extra dollars left over after everything" rubbed me wrong for some reason.