UW clinic to offer second trimester abortions!!!

[Col Hogan]

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[Wedgebuster]

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[Col Hogan]

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[JoltinJoe]

Then again, this whole thread started with Jeff celebrating the arrival of second trimester abortions at UW as the greatest human rights advancement on behalf of women since the beginning of time ...

... and me questioning how the women's rights movement has become wedded to universal abortion on demand, when the original feminists saw abortion as an assault on the dignity of women.

To women like Susan B. Anthony, a woman was truly equal when she was allowed to fully woman. The original feminists didn't want to be the same as men; they wanted and demanded dignity, and the recognition of their womanhood. They saw abortion as an act of denial of their right to be free, and fully woman.

Today, feminists see equality not in being allowed to be fully woman, but essentially as being treated the same as a man. So, since pregnancy can force a woman into some role that a man can never perform, abortion is seen liberating women from some silly "burden" that nature has imposed upon them.

Me, I think the original feminists had it right.

[Appaholic]

Then again, this whole thread started with Jeff celebrating the arrival of second trimester abortions at UW as the greatest human rights advancement on behalf of women since the beginning of time ...

... and me questioning how the women's rights movement has become wedded to universal abortion on demand, when the original feminists saw abortion as an assault on the dignity of women.

To women like Susan B. Anthony, a woman was truly equal when she was allowed to fully woman. The original feminists didn't want to be the same as men; they wanted and demanded dignity, and the recognition of their womanhood. They saw abortion as an act of denial of their right to be free, and fully woman.

Today, feminists see equality not in being allowed to be fully woman, but essentially as being treated the same as a man. So, since pregnancy can force a woman into some role that a man can never perform, abortion is seen liberating women from some silly "burden" that nature has imposed upon them.

Me, I think the original feminists had it right.

Good for you.....

[JoltinJoe]

Good for you.....

Hey, just my thoughts ... we both know that abortion is never going to be completely outlawed. I just don't see any sense in celebrating abortion.

[Wedgebuster]

Well, the first biotch did snuggle up to the snake, and feed pore ol' Adam that evil apple and all.

Pure and simple to understand why every woman born since can not be trusted and must be tortured by childbirth and PMS for eternity for us Genesis fans.

[Appaholic]

Good for you.....

Hey, just my thoughts ... we both know that abortion is never going to be completely outlawed. I just don't see any sense in celebrating abortion.

You're right....no need to celebrate death....

[D1B]

You're right....no need to celebrate death....

Who's celebratin death? I think it's a wonderful advancement for women's reproductive rights.

Regarding this convo, Tman and Jolt would outright ban abortion because they think it's murder. Women would be thrown in jail.

I brought up the concept of spontaneous abortion and the dilemna of how to deal with it. Do we require all women and girls of child bearing age to check in weekly for pregnancy tests? What do we do if they're pregant, then it's spontaneously aborted, like many of em are? - Take the girl to court? Put her in jail until a forensic analysis? No, just keep abortion legal and safe. Make contraceptives available. Force insurance companies to cover birth control. All things un catholic.

I bring god into it because the abortion debate for many is a matter of faith. If that's the case then why is god murdering so many babies? Could we press charges against god for spontaneously aborting a fetus? Tman, won't even touch this, cuz he can't. He aint smart enough. And he's pissed.

[andy7171]

You're right....no need to celebrate death....

Who's celebratin death? I think it's a wonderful advancement for women's reproductive rights.

Regarding this convo, Tman and Jolt would outright ban abortion because they think it's murder. Women would be thrown in jail.

I brought up the concept of spontaneous abortion and the dilemna of how to deal with it. Do we require all women and girls of child bearing age to check in weekly for pregnancy tests? What do we do if they're pregant, then it's spontaneously aborted, like many of em are? - Take the girl to court? Put her in jail until a forensic analysis? No, just keep abortion legal and safe. Make contraceptives available. Force insurance companies to cover birth control. All things un catholic.

I bring god into it because the abortion debate for many is a matter of faith. If that's the case then why is god murdering so many babies? Could we press charges against god for spontaneously aborting a fetus? Tman, won't even touch this, cuz he can't. He aint smart enough. And he's pissed.

Good Lord! You're a broken record. You bring up the same crap every 2 months just to stir the pot.

[D1B]

Who's celebratin death? I think it's a wonderful advancement for women's reproductive rights.

Regarding this convo, Tman and Jolt would outright ban abortion because they think it's murder. Women would be thrown in jail.

I brought up the concept of spontaneous abortion and the dilemna of how to deal with it. Do we require all women and girls of child bearing age to check in weekly for pregnancy tests? What do we do if they're pregant, then it's spontaneously aborted, like many of em are? - Take the girl to court? Put her in jail until a forensic analysis? No, just keep abortion legal and safe. Make contraceptives available. Force insurance companies to cover birth control. All things un catholic.

I bring god into it because the abortion debate for many is a matter of faith. If that's the case then why is god murdering so many babies? Could we press charges against god for spontaneously aborting a fetus? Tman, won't even touch this, cuz he can't. He aint smart enough. And he's pissed.

Good Lord! You're a broken record. You bring up the same crap every 2 months just to stir the pot.

Just a recap and defense against the celbratin murder garbage.

It's a 140 post thread, Euclid.

[andy7171]

Just a recap and defense against the celbratin murder garbage.

It's a 140 post thread, Euclid.

Yeah, and 57 of them are of you provoking people to engage in your nonsensical rantings for your own enjoyment.

[D1B]

Just a recap and defense against the celbratin murder garbage.

It's a 140 post thread, Euclid.

Yeah, and 57 of them are of you provoking people to engage in your nonsensical rantings for your own enjoyment.

And, 83 of em are Tman and others spouting their hatred of women and avoiding tough questions.

What's nonsense?

[Appaholic]

You're right....no need to celebrate death....

Who's celebratin death? I think it's a wonderful advancement for women's reproductive rights.

Regarding this convo, Tman and Jolt would outright ban abortion because they think it's murder. Women would be thrown in jail.

I brought up the concept of spontaneous abortion and the dilemna of how to deal with it. Do we require all women and girls of child bearing age to check in weekly for pregnancy tests? What do we do if they're pregant, then it's spontaneously aborted, like many of em are? - Take the girl to court? Put her in jail until a forensic analysis? No, just keep abortion legal and safe. Make contraceptives available. Force insurance companies to cover birth control. All things un catholic.

I bring god into it because the abortion debate for many is a matter of faith. If that's the case then why is god murdering so many babies? Could we press charges against god for spontaneously aborting a fetus? Tman, won't even touch this, cuz he can't. He aint smart enough. And he's pissed.

Fair enough...

[D1B]

Yeah, and 57 of them are of you provoking people to engage in your nonsensical rantings for your own enjoyment.

And, 83 of em are Tman and others spouting their hatred of women and avoiding tough questions.

What's nonsense?

Silence......

[D1B]

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I bet this was REALLY good.

[andy7171]

And, 83 of em are Tman and others spouting their hatred of women and avoiding tough questions.

What's nonsense?

Silence......

Nope. Just tired of playing "the game". run around in circles, run around in circles and eventually get a "I'm tired of fighting with you Catholics, truth be said you are mostly a very nice and well intended group"

Your brothers posts are funny, yours tend to be on the vicious spiteful side. But it's OK, I know you played defense, you can't help it.

Plus your math is off.

[andy7171]

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I bet this was REALLY good.

Yeah. There was like 3-4 of them too.

[D1B]

Silence......

Nope. Just tired of playing "the game". run around in circles, run around in circles and eventually get a "I'm tired of fighting with you Catholics, truth be said you are mostly a very nice and well intended group"

Your brothers posts are funny, yours tend to be on the vicious spiteful side. But it's OK, I know you played defense, you can't help it.

Plus your math is off.

You sure bout the math, Newton?

Vicious and spiteful? Cuz I rattle catholics? Perhaps, it's a matter of perspective. Religion is a scourge.

Well Intentioned? You obviously missed the post about "good catholics" either being catholics in name only OR willing enablers of an archaic and dangerous moral and ethical code.

[andy7171]

You sure bout the math, Newton?

Vicious and spiteful? Cuz I rattle catholics? Perhaps, it's a matter of perspective. Religion is a scourge.

Well Intentioned? You obviously missed the post about "good catholics" either being catholics in name only OR willing enablers of an archaic and dangerous moral and ethical code.

Your 57 plus their 83 doesn't account for a couple of mine or others, Aquinas. Or didn't you see the ?

On another note, I know you'll know this ...A while back there was some crazy creationist museum that had humans and dinosaurs displayed as if that ever happened. What's that place called? Link?

[D1B]

You sure bout the math, Newton?

Vicious and spiteful? Cuz I rattle catholics? Perhaps, it's a matter of perspective. Religion is a scourge.

Well Intentioned? You obviously missed the post about "good catholics" either being catholics in name only OR willing enablers of an archaic and dangerous moral and ethical code.

On another note, I know you'll know this ...A while back there was some crazy creationist museum that had humans and dinosaurs displayed as if that ever happened. What's that place called? Link?

Blow me. Get off this thread.

[andy7171]

On another note, I know you'll know this ...A while back there was some crazy creationist museum that had humans and dinosaurs displayed as if that ever happened. What's that place called? Link?

Blow me. Get off this thread.

I love you too.

[dbackjon]

Blow me? Isn't that my line?

[wideright82]

Blow me? Isn't that my line?

That, and maybe if some people would practice that art form more often there would be no need for this discussion at all.


Natures birth control, the blow job.

[travelinman67]

Then again, this whole thread started with Jeff celebrating the arrival of second trimester abortions at UW as the greatest human rights advancement on behalf of women since the beginning of time ...

... and me questioning how the women's rights movement has become wedded to universal abortion on demand, when the original feminists saw abortion as an assault on the dignity of women.

To women like Susan B. Anthony, a woman was truly equal when she was allowed to fully woman. The original feminists didn't want to be the same as men; they wanted and demanded dignity, and the recognition of their womanhood. They saw abortion as an act of denial of their right to be free, and fully woman.

Today, feminists see equality not in being allowed to be fully woman, but essentially as being treated the same as a man. So, since pregnancy can force a woman into some role that a man can never perform, abortion is seen liberating women from some silly "burden" that nature has imposed upon them.

Me, I think the original feminists had it right.

Amen.

Cap'n...care to comment on the PM's I sent to you last week...

...I believe the theme was the same. Abortion, as it's been framed within politics, is an all or nothing litmus test. There are legitimate situations where, for health reasons, abortion must be considered. As the statistics show, however, those situations arise in less that 10% of all pregnancies (that's 10% of ALL pregnancies, not just pregnancies by women who are considering abortion.).
These strawman arguments D1B throws out are merely desperate attempts to interject controversy into what is an otherwise clear-cut issue.
More importantly, those who would continue using universal "abortion on demand" as the defacto benchmark of feminist rights, have completely lost the intent of the feminist movement, which, as Joe pointed out, was the recognition, respect and freedom given to women to exist, fulfill and express themselves as unique beings: Removing the concept of chattel or "duty" of servitude to man and family.
Most post-modern feminst leaders no longer equate abortion-on-demand as necessary to achieve their goals. In fact the derailing of feminism by the Friedan era de-gendrification set, ultimately resulted in reversing advances in womens rights over the past century. In one breath, Friedan, Dworkin, Yard, et al, would state the necessity to obtain the respect, recognition and rights to become "equals", most often by using males as the standard. Yet in another breath, they insisted the uniqueness afforded them social and legal rights exceeding men, who were inferior and embodied corrupt morality. The desired outcome, a masculinization of women, as defined by society, and the inevitable elimination of "gender as the definer", contradicted the original precept of feminism which was to acknowledge and transcend women as unique valued beings. In a single sentence, this de-gendrification and "choice" to seek advancement by diminishing (not equalizing) male position in society, being contradictory to every principle sought through feminism, was the harbinger of inevitable failure of second-wave feminism.
Thankfully, even despite the attempts to silence dissident voices of Hoff-Sommers, Wolf and Paglia, most "third wave" and post modern feminists have begun to abandon the "male-hate" as a component of liberation.
But back to the essence of the debate...so long as infanticide is elevated by fools like D1B as a sign of "progress", the only "progress" that will take place is the advancement of political agendas tailored to weaken democratic societies, disrupt healthy social structures, and confuse children as they develop and attempt to define themselves within that disrupted social structure.

I realize I'm wasting my time attempting to convince you, D1B of anything, as you do not study or research before you speak, and have no desire to find truth. You've insultingly taken a tiny bit of education, memorized soundbite philosophy, then added a heaping dose of hate, and perversely spent your life wandering around attempting to interfere with reasoned debate and silence people who share opposing views.

And you call yourself enlightened?

With fools like you in their corner, even post modern feminism has lost the battle.