Joe Paterno

[bluehenbillk]

Well a 16-10 pounding of Big Ten rival Indiana should keep the heat off PSU's offense for another week...

[dal4018]

As a Penn State alum and fan, I believe Joe should step down after this year. Really, he should have stepped down years ago.

After seeing this interview this to me puts JoePa in a whole new light enjoy. http://www.swac.org/ViewArticle.dbml?AT ... M_ID=27400" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[clenz]

What do you mean by "clean program"

He may not have faced any recruiting violations, but Penn State ranks right up there with Miami of the 90's when it comes to arrests and legal issues within the team.

Just a couple years ago a player....Chris Bell I think it was....threatened his teammate with a 12 inch blade over a freaking cell phone case. Just prior to that in 2007 and into 2008 teammate Chris Baker was arrested multiple times before being kicked off the team.



I found the article I was looking for when I initially posted this message...Penn State is 4th in arrests

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/w ... ex.htmlThe" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; number of players on each team in the study who were found to have police records
School Players charged SI preseason rank
1. Pittsburgh 22 16
2. Iowa 18 6
2. Arkansas 18 23
4. Boise State 16 3
4. Penn State 16 19
6. Virginia Tech 13 10
7. Wisconsin 9 11
7. Oklahoma 9 12
7. Florida State 9 25
10. Miami 8 15
11. Ohio State 7 2
11. Florida 7 7
11. Oregon 7 8
11. USC 7 17
15. Alabama 5 1
15. North Carolina 5 13
15. Cincinnati 5 18
15. Utah 5 22
19. Nebraska 4 9
19. Georgia Tech 4 14
19. Oregon State 4 20
22. LSU 3 21
23. Texas 2 4
24. Stanford 1 24
25. TCU 0 5


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/w ... z1cgblpes2" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[clenz]

This article is now over 3 years old...but at the time of publish between 2002-2008 there were 46 players from Penn State charged with nearly 200 crimes

Since 2002, 46 Penn State football players have faced 163 criminal charges, according to an ESPN analysis of Pennsylvania court records and reports. Twenty-seven players have been convicted of or have pleaded guilty to a combined 45 counts.

Table from the article

Is there a double standard at Penn State? ESPN researched the number of football players charged with crimes and the number of counts. All of records are from the state of Pennsylvania.

Year Players Counts
2002 4 6
2003 10 20
2004 8 32
2005 11 12
2006 5 7
2007 17 72
2008 3 14
Total Players Charged: 46 Total Counts: 163
Total Players Guilty: 27 Total Guilty: 45

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/otl/news ... id=3504915" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[dal4018]

What do you mean by "clean program"

He may not have faced any recruiting violations, but Penn State ranks right up there with Miami of the 90's when it comes to arrests and legal issues within the team.

Just a couple years ago a player....Chris Bell I think it was....threatened his teammate with a 12 inch blade over a freaking cell phone case. Just prior to that in 2007 and into 2008 teammate Chris Baker was arrested multiple times before being kicked off the team.



I found the article I was looking for when I initially posted this message...Penn State is 4th in arrests

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/w ... ex.htmlThe" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; number of players on each team in the study who were found to have police records
School Players charged SI preseason rank
1. Pittsburgh 22 16
2. Iowa 18 6
2. Arkansas 18 23
4. Boise State 16 3
4. Penn State 16 19
6. Virginia Tech 13 10
7. Wisconsin 9 11
7. Oklahoma 9 12
7. Florida State 9 25
10. Miami 8 15
11. Ohio State 7 2
11. Florida 7 7
11. Oregon 7 8
11. USC 7 17
15. Alabama 5 1
15. North Carolina 5 13
15. Cincinnati 5 18
15. Utah 5 22
19. Nebraska 4 9
19. Georgia Tech 4 14
19. Oregon State 4 20
22. LSU 3 21
23. Texas 2 4
24. Stanford 1 24
25. TCU 0 5


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/w ... z1cgblpes2" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Look who PSU is tied with Boise State

[Shellin]

http://espn.go.com/college-football/sto ... erjury-sex

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. -- A former defensive coordinator who was integral for decades to Penn State's success in football was accused Saturday of sexually abusing eight boys, and the school's athletic director and an administrator were charged with perjury and failing to report what they knew about the allegations in a case that prosecutors said uncovered a years-long trail of a predator and those who protected him...

[JohnStOnge]

Well, we'll see how Penn State does to close out the regular season. They're home against Nebraska, then at Ohio State, then at Wisconsin. If they win those three games it's going to be kind of hard to argue that there's a reason to change anything.

[CitadelGrad]

Well, we'll see how Penn State does to close out the regular season. They're home against Nebraska, then at Ohio State, then at Wisconsin. If they win those three games it's going to be kind of hard to argue that there's a reason to change anything.

There's much more to it than wins and losses. The Penn State Board of Trustees is meeting this evening. I suspect a lot of pink slips are going to be issued in the very near future.

[clenz]

Very ironic the issue of a clean program was bright up...and debated...just before this news broke

[DSUrocks07]

He may have to step down because of this scandal...but he DID do what he was supposed to do (unlike Tressel). Inform the campus police chief and AD...who proceeded to sweep it under the rug.

It would be a very bad mark on his legacy for him to be caught up in all of this. One thing is he should of sought to have Sandusky banned from campus as soon as he heard about it. But I'm sure he figured that because the campus police chief and AD didn't pursue it further, he thought that it was just hearsay and rumors.

[∞∞∞]

This is disgusting. I actually used to respect and defend JoePa from the ageism critics because he had run such a "clean" program, but now I'm wondering what else Penn State might've hidden to protect the school. I mean seriously, not reporting a coach SEXUALLY MOLESTING CHILDREN?! This scandal trumps any other sports scandal, on any level, by a long shot.

[DSUrocks07]

Been posting this on the "Joe Pa" and the local ESPN Radio station Facebook pages

Before we get all "pitchforks and torches", and march on State College calling for Paterno's head. Joe Pa HEARD from his grad assistant that Sandusky was seen in the locker room "doing something". He went and informed the athletic director and campus police chief about the situation to be looked into. THEY obviously didn't look into it. Because they didn't look into it, Joe Pa must of believed that there was nothing to it. He heard about something and told the proper authorities. The campus police chief to secure the campus and keep Sandusky OFF the property, and athletic director represent the University in whatever official investigation that was to occur. Up until now there was no reason to not believe that it wasn't hearsay.

And why didn't the grad assistant IMMEDIATELY go to the campus police and AD himself? Was Joe Pa supposed to call the state police? FBI? CPS? He did what he was supposed to do, and now he is being held responsible for those who are his superiors' actions? And also, if nothing was to come of all of this and it WAS hearsay and Joe Pa caused an unwarranted investigation into Penn State then people would be calling for his job because of that. It is a terrible situation. But can we PLEASE attempt to think about this rationally?

[bluehenbillk]

This story is snowballing quickly.

To put it in perspective - I live in the Philadelphia metroplitan area & listen to Philly sports talk on my commute - which is just over an hour. On a station (WIP) that talks about next to zero college sports & almost exclusivley Phillies & Eagles it was shocking on the morning of an Eagles home MNF game to hear absolutely zero about the Eagles & nothing but PSU talk.

To recap - PSU's BOT got rid of the AD & their "CFO" last night. It may very well be impossible for Paterno, McQueary and any of the current coaching staff to survive.

If I was a betting man, PSU will have a new coach next season & a new staff. Spanier, the school President may go as well. The 23 page grand jury report is some of the most shocking, graphic stuff you'll ever read.

[EPJr]

THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S REPORT (not for the faint at heart)

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[clenz]

Been posting this on the "Joe Pa" and the local ESPN Radio station Facebook pages

Before we get all "pitchforks and torches", and march on State College calling for Paterno's head. Joe Pa HEARD from his grad assistant that Sandusky was seen in the locker room "doing something". He went and informed the athletic director and campus police chief about the situation to be looked into. THEY obviously didn't look into it. Because they didn't look into it, Joe Pa must of believed that there was nothing to it. He heard about something and told the proper authorities. The campus police chief to secure the campus and keep Sandusky OFF the property, and athletic director represent the University in whatever official investigation that was to occur. Up until now there was no reason to not believe that it wasn't hearsay.

And why didn't the grad assistant IMMEDIATELY go to the campus police and AD himself? Was Joe Pa supposed to call the state police? FBI? CPS? He did what he was supposed to do, and now he is being held responsible for those who are his superiors' actions? And also, if nothing was to come of all of this and it WAS hearsay and Joe Pa caused an unwarranted investigation into Penn State then people would be calling for his job because of that. It is a terrible situation. But can we PLEASE attempt to think about this rationally?

It's pretty clear from how fast this has snowballed, people being fired, the grand jury report, etc... some really fucked up shit happened.

Also, to your point of "Should JoPa gone straight to CPS?".....the answer is YES! I don't know about the college level, but to coach at the HS and youth level a coach must be a Mandatory Reporter....that means if there is evidence of ANY KIND....I mean ANY kind....a report MUST....I repeate MUST...be made to CPS/DHS. The same goes for the grad assistant, and the athletic department members that were alerted. There should have been an investigation up front. What JoPa did is willful ignorance of the illegal activities....in many crimes that is a crime itself.

By not following up and making sure proper actions were taken, that entire university fucked itself...

[clenz]

Not only that, isn't Paterno a senior executive at PSU? He should have involved the police from the start.....One of Paterno's junior employees reported directly to him an eyewitness account that a former senior member of his staff was sexually assaulting a 10 year old boy in the football facility.

You can't use the "I told my boss and I'll stop there" excuse on that one....there NEEDS to be follow up on that...especially when it's IN YOUR FUCKING FACILITY.

[Grizalltheway]

Not only that, isn't Paterno a senior executive at PSU? He should have involved the police from the start.....One of Paterno's junior employees reported directly to him an eyewitness account that a former senior member of his staff was sexually assaulting a 10 year old boy in the football facility.

You can't use the "I told my boss and I'll stop there" excuse on that one....there NEEDS to be follow up on that...especially when it's IN YOUR FUCKING FACILITY.

If that's true, that is fucked up in BIG way. JoePa needs to step down pronto.

[bluehenbillk]

Not only that, isn't Paterno a senior executive at PSU? He should have involved the police from the start.....One of Paterno's junior employees reported directly to him an eyewitness account that a former senior member of his staff was sexually assaulting a 10 year old boy in the football facility.

You can't use the "I told my boss and I'll stop there" excuse on that one....there NEEDS to be follow up on that...especially when it's IN YOUR **** FACILITY.

If that's true, that is **** up in BIG way. JoePa needs to step down pronto.

Apparently that is exactly what happened.

[grizzaholic]

Not only that, isn't Paterno a senior executive at PSU? He should have involved the police from the start.....One of Paterno's junior employees reported directly to him an eyewitness account that a former senior member of his staff was sexually assaulting a 10 year old boy in the football facility.

You can't use the "I told my boss and I'll stop there" excuse on that one....there NEEDS to be follow up on that...especially when it's IN YOUR FUCKING FACILITY.

If that's true, that is fucked up in BIG way. JoePa needs to step down pronto.

But...but...but...he has earned the right to leave when he wishes....right?

[JayJ79]

PedoBear to be replaced by Pedo-NittanyLion

[dbackjon]

The Pope of Happy Valley

[BlueHen86]

This story is snowballing quickly.

To put it in perspective - I live in the Philadelphia metroplitan area & listen to Philly sports talk on my commute - which is just over an hour. On a station (WIP) that talks about next to zero college sports & almost exclusivley Phillies & Eagles it was shocking on the morning of an Eagles home MNF game to hear absolutely zero about the Eagles & nothing but PSU talk.

To recap - PSU's BOT got rid of the AD & their "CFO" last night. It may very well be impossible for Paterno, McQueary and any of the current coaching staff to survive.

If I was a betting man, PSU will have a new coach next season & a new staff. Spanier, the school President may go as well. The 23 page grand jury report is some of the most shocking, graphic stuff you'll ever read.

That was my perspective too. 610WIP/94WYSP talk Eagles football almost year round. On the morning of an Eagles home MNF game, and the Monday after the Phils bring back Jim Thome, the discussion was Joe Pa and Penn State.

It was like that going in to work, and then again coming home.

[BlueHen86]

The Pope of Happy Valley

[ODUalum11]

Wow, I think we might have seen JoePa's last days at Penn State. I heard about this scandal a couple days ago but I didn't really think anything of it but when I heard that one of his former assistants was a pedophile....

[grizzaholic]

Penn State is probably licking their chops about this. Not the scandal, but the chance to get rid of Paterno.