North Dakota State vs Sam Houston State FCS Championship

[Thumper 76]

A big Congrats to all of the NDSU fans out there except JBB!!!!!!! Way to slap the MVFC back into prominence and way to rep the XDSU's!

[JohnStOnge]

Ok I'll get into the Sam Houston vs. MVC discussion. I went into the post season thinking Sam Houston would be kind of a middle of the pack team in the CAA or MVC and after all is said and done I still think that. I realize Northern Iowa got blown out by Montana and Montana lost to Sam Houston but UNI played Montana at Missoula while Montana played Sam Houston (with what everyone says has an unusual offense) on the road on a Friday night following exam week. And UNI did play North Dakota State closer than Sam Houston State did.

I do consider the CAA to be the toughest top to bottom FCS league and I consider the MVC to be the second toughest top to bottom. I'm talking about year in and year out. This year it's possible the MVC may have been a little tougher as the CAA may have been a little down. But the bottom line is that I believe that if you'd have had this Sam Houston State team playing week in and week out in the CAA or MVC they may not have even made the playoffs. And I think it's VERY unlikely that they'd have been undefeated and a #1 seed.

Of course we'll never know. All we know with respect to how Sam Houston State did against the MVC is that they beat the worst team in that conference 20-6 and lost to the best team in it by 17-6.

[DavedS]

YSU will be in the running next year!

I'm going to enjoy this year though

Gil, don't let your euphoria compromise your judgement. YSU sucks and always will.

Yeah lucky for the Bison that they didn't have to play Morehead State!!

[Grizo406]

Terrific job, NDSU! You deserve this one...congrats!

AWESOME defense!!

[talon38]

Congrats to the NDSU Bison, watched the entire game and you guys deserved the win. Awesome job keeping the National Championship west of the Mississippi and in the north. Awesome defense!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your fans should be proud, have fun celebrating.

[EWURanger]

congrats to the Bison (except JBB) on a well-deserved championship! Your team earned it!


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[JBB]

congrats to the Bison (except JBB) on a well-deserved championship! Your team earned it!


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Hello haters!

What fun we are having!

SHSU fans laugh at UM but seem to have a little more respect For MSU, but they claim ownership over The BSC and the bad bison. They thought most Montana folks were pricks.

Thats the first "chipper" in the New NDSU Football Dynasty!

Should have been 2 but for bill fette giving our first one to some team out west.

The NDSU BISON are the best team in The country just as I have been telling you cry babies for a couple years. Hate away, its your culture. AGS does better because haters like glib dopey, ewu, thumper and the rest of the foul dont post hate over there.

Get use to the new regime. For the next decade The NDSU BISON will rule the roost. In that time frame there is an excellent chance NDSU will be invited into the Big 12. Hate on that and praise THE BISON!

GO BISON!!!


GO BISON!!

[JBB]

Wow NDSU looked flat and out of the game then one big trick play followed by a big screen and they look in control!

Almost exactly how they beat us.

Yea, that and a defense DL couldnt solve.

The at large is your best hope now!

[JBB]

I'm going to take the lead of AZGriz (my apologies if it was someone else who suggested this) and as an NDSU fan, respectfully request that you do us all a favor and shut up. You make NDSU fans all look like a bunch of ass clowns.

For the good of a fan base you (allegedly) consider yourself a part of, shut up.

I don't believe he is at the game, his truck is still parked in his driveway.

Thats my 94 ford. Its always parked there. I developed that land and built all the houses.

House is pd for!

[Bob Holiday]

"I've watched the Montana/Sam Houston State game a couple times. It was easy to see the flaws in Montanas game plan. On the option they tried to defend it with an inside linebacker, which is almost impossible as they quickly found out. Also Montana doesn't appear to have much of a passrush. They are very good straight up against the rush, but don't have a lot of pursuit speed especially with their linebackers. But they definitely wore Sam Houston down, they were really sucking air in the 2nd half. On the play that decided the game, Sam Houston went on fourth and short with three minutes to go. and bounced Tim Fanders to their left. The Montana defensive end instead of holding his position, crashed toward the center of the line, Flanders bounced outside of him and easily made a first down, end of game. I don't think they'll have as easy a time with North Dakota State. They are a notch above Montana both offensively and defensively. They've got a punishing running attack that will get to Sam Houston sooner or later and if they fill up the box, it'll be Ryan Smith and Big Tex one on one. Like taking candy from a baby. They'll win by at least three scores."
This is what I posted Arizona Grizzly funny man. It turns out I was wrong about Sam Houston, they are a better defensive team than I thought and as it turns out I was wrong about you, you're not funny. If you've got something to contribute do that, but otherwise we don't want to see your name. BTW, I was there the last time NDSU played Montana.

[Grizalltheway]

"I've watched the Montana/Sam Houston State game a couple times. It was easy to see the flaws in Montanas game plan. On the option they tried to defend it with an inside linebacker, which is almost impossible as they quickly found out. Also Montana doesn't appear to have much of a passrush. They are very good straight up against the rush, but don't have a lot of pursuit speed especially with their linebackers. But they definitely wore Sam Houston down, they were really sucking air in the 2nd half. On the play that decided the game, Sam Houston went on fourth and short with three minutes to go. and bounced Tim Fanders to their left. The Montana defensive end instead of holding his position, crashed toward the center of the line, Flanders bounced outside of him and easily made a first down, end of game. I don't think they'll have as easy a time with North Dakota State. They are a notch above Montana both offensively and defensively. They've got a punishing running attack that will get to Sam Houston sooner or later and if they fill up the box, it'll be Ryan Smith and Big Tex one on one. Like taking candy from a baby. They'll win by at least three scores."
This is what I posted Arizona Grizzly funny man. It turns out I was wrong about Sam Houston, they are a better defensive team than I thought and as it turns out I was wrong about you, you're not funny. If you've got something to contribute do that, but otherwise we don't want to see your name. BTW, I was there the last time NDSU played Montana.

Well, you were certainly wrong about NDSU being better than Montana offensively.

[Bob Holiday]

Touche

[htownbearkat]

Without seeing the stat sheet I'd say there are anywhere from 3-6 teams in the MVC that would handle SHSU.

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Here is one stat. NDSU 9 first downs. Im sure those other teams your thinking about could do much better.

[htownbearkat]

Ok I'll get into the Sam Houston vs. MVC discussion. I went into the post season thinking Sam Houston would be kind of a middle of the pack team in the CAA or MVC and after all is said and done I still think that. I realize Northern Iowa got blown out by Montana and Montana lost to Sam Houston but UNI played Montana at Missoula while Montana played Sam Houston (with what everyone says has an unusual offense) on the road on a Friday night following exam week. And UNI did play North Dakota State closer than Sam Houston State did.

I do consider the CAA to be the toughest top to bottom FCS league and I consider the MVC to be the second toughest top to bottom. I'm talking about year in and year out. This year it's possible the MVC may have been a little tougher as the CAA may have been a little down. But the bottom line is that I believe that if you'd have had this Sam Houston State team playing week in and week out in the CAA or MVC they may not have even made the playoffs. And I think it's VERY unlikely that they'd have been undefeated and a #1 seed.

Of course we'll never know. All we know with respect to how Sam Houston State did against the MVC is that they beat the worst team in that conference 20-6 and lost to the best team in it by 17-6.

and How do you think those other team would stack up vs SHSU's defense? NDSUs off looked just a little less awful than the bearkats. 9 first downs and 235 yrds of total off.

[89Hen]

Which are?

YSU, ISU, ISU, SIU, all played NDSU tougher.

You prove once again how stupid you are.

[houndawg]

Without seeing the stat sheet I'd say there are anywhere from 3-6 teams in the MVC that would handle SHSU.

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Here is one stat. NDSU 9 first downs. Im sure those other teams your thinking about could do much better.

You aren't even the first team this year to hold them to 9 first downs.

Kats defense is very good, probably rank about 4th in the MVC, maybe 3rd, and that is a compliment.

[houndawg]

YSU, ISU, ISU, SIU, all played NDSU tougher.

You prove once again how stupid you are.

Awwwwww...... somebody needs a glass of warm milk....let's try to keep it classy son.....

[houndawg]

Ok I'll get into the Sam Houston vs. MVC discussion. I went into the post season thinking Sam Houston would be kind of a middle of the pack team in the CAA or MVC and after all is said and done I still think that. I realize Northern Iowa got blown out by Montana and Montana lost to Sam Houston but UNI played Montana at Missoula while Montana played Sam Houston (with what everyone says has an unusual offense) on the road on a Friday night following exam week. And UNI did play North Dakota State closer than Sam Houston State did.

I do consider the CAA to be the toughest top to bottom FCS league and I consider the MVC to be the second toughest top to bottom. I'm talking about year in and year out. This year it's possible the MVC may have been a little tougher as the CAA may have been a little down. But the bottom line is that I believe that if you'd have had this Sam Houston State team playing week in and week out in the CAA or MVC they may not have even made the playoffs. And I think it's VERY unlikely that they'd have been undefeated and a #1 seed.

Of course we'll never know. All we know with respect to how Sam Houston State did against the MVC is that they beat the worst team in that conference 20-6 and lost to the best team in it by 17-6.

Even a blind hog finds an acorn oncet in a while...

[houndawg]

YSU, ISU, ISU, SIU, all played NDSU tougher.

Sam Houston State University was in the Championship game vs. North Dakota State.

The teams you mention were not.

This is the Division I Football Championship Subdivision where championships are settled ON THE FIELD (not on message boards). By your perverted logic, Youngstown State should be the National Champs since they beat NDSU.



That ain't the way it works.

Congratulations to the North Dakota State University Bison - NATIONAL CHAMPIONS!

Dry your eyes coach, nobody said YSU should be the national champ. Just said that unlike the Kats, the Bisons played their toughest games before the playoffs.

[JBB]

YSU, ISU, ISU, SIU, all played NDSU tougher.

You prove once again how stupid you are.

You are correct 89Hen. On the idiots list Illinois State was the best team we played. Their defense was as good as SHSU. It was a very similar game to the NCG.

You can take SIU off the list. They arent very good. Im not sure the at large is a realistic goal for them but it is for UNI.

[JBB]

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Here is one stat. NDSU 9 first downs. Im sure those other teams your thinking about could do much better.

You aren't even the first team this year to hold them to 9 first downs.

Kats defense is very good, probably rank about 4th in the MVC, maybe 3rd, and that is a compliment.

Get some warm milk son, you are babbling none sense. SHSU may have had the best defense in the MVFC. I dont think a fan from SIU is in any position to judge. What is their base of comparison, the salukies?

[JBB]

"I've watched the Montana/Sam Houston State game a couple times. It was easy to see the flaws in Montanas game plan. On the option they tried to defend it with an inside linebacker, which is almost impossible as they quickly found out. Also Montana doesn't appear to have much of a passrush. They are very good straight up against the rush, but don't have a lot of pursuit speed especially with their linebackers. But they definitely wore Sam Houston down, they were really sucking air in the 2nd half. On the play that decided the game, Sam Houston went on fourth and short with three minutes to go. and bounced Tim Fanders to their left. The Montana defensive end instead of holding his position, crashed toward the center of the line, Flanders bounced outside of him and easily made a first down, end of game. I don't think they'll have as easy a time with North Dakota State. They are a notch above Montana both offensively and defensively. They've got a punishing running attack that will get to Sam Houston sooner or later and if they fill up the box, it'll be Ryan Smith and Big Tex one on one. Like taking candy from a baby. They'll win by at least three scores."
This is what I posted Arizona Grizzly funny man. It turns out I was wrong about Sam Houston, they are a better defensive team than I thought and as it turns out I was wrong about you, you're not funny. If you've got something to contribute do that, but otherwise we don't want to see your name. BTW, I was there the last time NDSU played Montana.

Bob, you couldnt be more correct about the jerk.

Well, you were certainly wrong about NDSU being better than Montana offensively.

[JohnStOnge]

Just said that unlike the Kats, the Bisons played their toughest games before the playoffs.

I don't know if I'd say that. I'm just saying the MVC was very tough top to bottom this year with a lot of teams near the same level so that there was a risk of losing most weeks. So you had a team like Youngstown State, for instance, that beat NDSU at the Fargodome...and beat them worse than the final score indicated as they physically controlled the game...but lost four conference games by 2, 7, 4, and 4 points. Plus their FBS game was against Michigan State. Put them against Sam Houston State's schedule and they'd have had a real good shot at going undefeated. They would have, I think, been a prohibitive favorite to beat everybody on that schedule except New Mexico and they'd certainly have had a shot at beating New Mexico too. Sam Houston State won its conference games by 21, 35, 40, 24, 66, 29, and 26 points. It was a MUCH easlier slate than what they'd have been confronted with in the MVC.

I am a Southland fan and hope the conference improves but right now it is what it is: A middle of the road FCS league in terms of top to bottom strength. That was a factor in SHSU going undefeated and getting home field. To SHSU's credit, unlike what happened with McNeese in 2007 and SFA in 2010, SHSU actually won its home games instead of getting blown out. SHSU was certainly good enough to have a shot at beating anybody in FCS and came darned close to winning it all. But if they'd have been in the MVC they'd have had 5 or more conference games against teams good enough to beat them. In the CAA maybe more than that. Odds of them finishing undefeated would have been, I think, very small and ending up like Youngstown State would not have been out of the question. A scenario in which a team of Sam Houston State's caliber played the schedule YSU played, including Michigan State as the FBS game, and ended up sitting the playoffs out is not at all unrealistic.

[JohnStOnge]

SHSU may have had the best defense in the MVFC.

I think NDSU being in the MVC pretty much rules that out. SHSU did give up 42 points in regulation to a very bad New Mexico team during the regular season as well as 27 and 28 against Stony Brook and Montana in the playoffs. NDSU did give up 27 once against Youngstown State but really shut down some high scoring offenses...Lehigh, Georgia Southern, and Sam Houston State...in the playoffs. Only one TD in those three games. And the overall bottom line is that NDSU gave up fewer points playing a much tougher overall schedule than SHSU did.

SHSU did, I think, have a really good defense. But I don't think it was as good as NDSU's.

[Gil Dobie]

Bison gave up 27 points in the playoffs, the averaged rounded up per MENSA Standards to 6.93 points per game.