I think he called you and I t-shirt fans....dumbass move really.Willie wrote:I hope you aren't calling me a fucking t-shirt fan.slycat wrote:Sure are a lot of Big 10 t-shirt fans arguing around here. But to be clear JoePa should have done more and the media has a bias as well.
Just teasin Willie. The Texas/LSU t-shirt fans are the worst but you don't make an ass of yourself. Nothing wrong with supporting another school.Willie wrote:I hope you aren't calling me a fucking t-shirt fan.slycat wrote:Sure are a lot of Big 10 t-shirt fans arguing around here. But to be clear JoePa should have done more and the media has a bias as well.
Not dumbass at all. It's tongue-in-cheek since so many people in FCS land are so anti FBS.clenz wrote:I think he called you and I t-shirt fans....dumbass move really.Willie wrote: I hope you aren't calling me a fucking t-shirt fan.
Had it not been for out of state tuition at Michigan being over 40k a year and being that far from my family i'd be a um asking right now
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Sounds like a bunch of lame excuses to me. Sorry you're so embarrassed by being a UNI fan.clenz wrote:Had it not been for out of state tuition at Michigan being over 40k a year and being that far from my family i'd be a um asking right now
So 3 games gets you "furthest from" status?Willie wrote:But I've seen OSU 3 times (twice in Minneapolis and last season in Columbus), so I'm just putting it out there that I'm the furthest from a t-shirt fan.
C'mon Willie, you're a t-shirt fan of the worst kind. One that can't take a joke.Willie wrote:Where do I live 89? Montana...quite a distance from Columbus, or any other venue they play at on a regular basis. Even when I saw them in Minneapolis, I had to drive 5 hours to see them.
It doesn't count as football, period.89Hen wrote:Don't back down Sly. They are t-shirt fans. If you went to a college that had DI football, you are only a real fan of that team, and a t-shirt fan of anyone else. The only exception to that is Z because we're not sure Idaho counts as DI football.
I'm only embarrassed about being a UNI fan come playoff time.89Hen wrote:Sounds like a bunch of lame excuses to me. Sorry you're so embarrassed by being a UNI fan.clenz wrote:Had it not been for out of state tuition at Michigan being over 40k a year and being that far from my family i'd be a um asking right now
Guilty on 45 of 48 counts. Looks like the jury agreed with us "less informed" people...CitadelGrad wrote:I routinely read the rivals.com and scout.com Penn State forums and several of the more prominent Penn State blogs. Not once have I even seen a poster suggest that, "you don't understand because you're not part of the Penn State community".∞∞∞ wrote:After reading the Penn State message boards, facebook posts by my Penn State friends, and reading their responses on various forums, I'm convinced they'd make a great study on how cult members think. Now I'm not saying they're a cult, but the the "group-think" that their fans are exhibiting has actually fascinated me. The fact that normal people can be so loyal to one man/institution that they've rationalized irrational thoughts is amazing.
Also, the excuse that "you don't understand because you're not part of the Penn State community" is terrible. Again, that's exactly what cult members say. Penn State fans need to open their eyes and realize that there's a reason why most everyone is against Joe Pa here...and it's not 'cause we all hated him and the school. Penn State fans (not all) seriously need to take the blue-colored glasses off and see how irrational they're being.
In truth, there are varying opinions on the matter, even on those boards and blogs. The group-think comes in when people who aren't close to Penn State get their news primarily from national news outlets, especially ESPN. They listen to a sports pundit's three-minute screed or read a couple of incomplete and poorly researched articles and think they know everything there is to know about the story. Those of us who are Penn Staters typically follow the story a lot more closely than the general public. We actually know how the 1998 investigation went down. We know about the discrepancies between the grand jury presentment and witness testimony. We know that the grand jury presentment was leaked and that no action has been taken to find the source. We know that Gov. Corbett has much to lose if details of the 1998 investigation are widely publicized. We know that many members of the Board of Trustess knew about Sandusky from 1998 and that many of them have connections to the Second Mile Foundation.
It isn't cult-like behavior or irrational group-think you are seeing from Penn State fans. It's a discussion among people who are far better informed about this story than you will ever be.
At what point did I say that Sandusky is not guilty? I never did.AZGrizFan wrote:Guilty on 45 of 48 counts. Looks like the jury agreed with us "less informed" people...CitadelGrad wrote:
I routinely read the rivals.com and scout.com Penn State forums and several of the more prominent Penn State blogs. Not once have I even seen a poster suggest that, "you don't understand because you're not part of the Penn State community".
In truth, there are varying opinions on the matter, even on those boards and blogs. The group-think comes in when people who aren't close to Penn State get their news primarily from national news outlets, especially ESPN. They listen to a sports pundit's three-minute screed or read a couple of incomplete and poorly researched articles and think they know everything there is to know about the story. Those of us who are Penn Staters typically follow the story a lot more closely than the general public. We actually know how the 1998 investigation went down. We know about the discrepancies between the grand jury presentment and witness testimony. We know that the grand jury presentment was leaked and that no action has been taken to find the source. We know that Gov. Corbett has much to lose if details of the 1998 investigation are widely publicized. We know that many members of the Board of Trustess knew about Sandusky from 1998 and that many of them have connections to the Second Mile Foundation.
It isn't cult-like behavior or irrational group-think you are seeing from Penn State fans. It's a discussion among people who are far better informed about this story than you will ever be.
Yeah....too bad your hero JoPa wasn't still alive so HE could pay the piper for his sins...CitadelGrad wrote:At what point did I say that Sandusky is not guilty? I never did.AZGrizFan wrote:
Guilty on 45 of 48 counts. Looks like the jury agreed with us "less informed" people...
As for the cultish behavior of Penn Staters, I don't suppose you realize that every member of the jury had ties to Penn State, including employees and faculty.
Sad...but true.AZGrizFan wrote:Yeah....too bad your hero JoPa wasn't still alive so HE could pay the piper for his sins...CitadelGrad wrote:
At what point did I say that Sandusky is not guilty? I never did.
As for the cultish behavior of Penn Staters, I don't suppose you realize that every member of the jury had ties to Penn State, including employees and faculty.
Yep....following all of this charges would have been brought against him as well.SDHornet wrote:Sad...but true.AZGrizFan wrote:
Yeah....too bad your hero JoPa wasn't still alive so HE could pay the piper for his sins...
Maybe not, but the civil suits would have been aplenty.clenz wrote:Yep....following all of this charges would have been brought against him as well.SDHornet wrote: Sad...but true.
I'm willing to bet that some sort of charge with the cover up would have been brought.SDHornet wrote:Maybe not, but the civil suits would have been aplenty.clenz wrote:Yep....following all of this charges would have been brought against him as well.
No arguments here.clenz wrote:I'm willing to bet that some sort of charge with the cover up would have been brought.SDHornet wrote: Maybe not, but the civil suits would have been aplenty.
JoePa reported what he knew to higher authority. Remember, McQueary didn't tell him everything. Curley, Schultz and Spanier covered it up. JoePa did not.AZGrizFan wrote:Yeah....too bad your hero JoPa wasn't still alive so HE could pay the piper for his sins...CitadelGrad wrote:
At what point did I say that Sandusky is not guilty? I never did.
As for the cultish behavior of Penn Staters, I don't suppose you realize that every member of the jury had ties to Penn State, including employees and faculty.
The victims are on record through their attorneys that they do not blame JoePa. Kind of hard to bring a civil suit against him when they make statements like that.SDHornet wrote:Maybe not, but the civil suits would have been aplenty.clenz wrote:Yep....following all of this charges would have been brought against him as well.
To me Joe Pa missed his chance of nipping this in the bud when the opportunity presented itself.Still can't believe he came up with that lazy excuse of not wanting to interfere with vacation plans of school president to remove a child molester from society!!!!!!clenz wrote:I think he called you and I t-shirt fans....dumbass move really.Willie wrote: I hope you aren't calling me a **** t-shirt fan.
Had it not been for out of state tuition at Michigan being over 40k a year and being that far from my family i'd be a um asking right now
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Agreed nobody on that jury should have served jury members should have had no connection to the school.CitadelGrad wrote:At what point did I say that Sandusky is not guilty? I never did.AZGrizFan wrote:
Guilty on 45 of 48 counts. Looks like the jury agreed with us "less informed" people...
As for the cultish behavior of Penn Staters, I don't suppose you realize that every member of the jury had ties to Penn State, including employees and faculty.
