Conference expansion ripple to FCS

[SDHornet]

The SunBelt numbers have never worked for the Hillbillys.

Forty schollies, capital and operating increases, etc., can't be funded by a move to the SBC. As a matter of fact, Chuckles and Chancellor Cheerleader never really explained on their *listening tour* how they would pay for anything, other than by using *enhanced ticket revenues and corporate sponsorships*

Edit: I fergit ...

Chancellor Cheerleader also said that the move to FBS would pay for the elimination of student fees associated with football (without explaining how or over what time frame)

To my knowledge, no one has swallowed that KoolAid.

KoolAid? Sounds more like cyanide.

No kidding. Same financial vodoo math was spewed by the WAC posted saying how awesome it is to be in a bottom tier FBS conference and how way better it is than FCS. I have no idea how the financials work out favorably.

[TribeFanInNC]

Meanwhile, I read this headline today.

The College of Charleston’s board of trustees will meet this afternoon and decide the future of the school’s athletic department.


• Expected to join CAA as a full member next fall

• Will pay $300,000 plus undisclosed transition fee to join CAA

• Will pay $600,000 exit fee to Southern Conference

The board is expected to vote to join the Colonial Athletic Association.

http://www.postandcourier.com/article/2 ... ssociation" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I found this comment interesting...

... along with rumors that East Carolina is interested in joining the CAA in all sports except football

So they would transition from C-USA to the CAA (where they were a member until 2001) as ODU goes the other way?

[SuperHornet]

ECU actually believes that C-USA will allow them to be football associates? I'm not sure I like the odds of that happening.

[Aho Old Guy]

KoolAid? Sounds more like cyanide.

No kidding. Same financial vodoo math was spewed by the WAC posted saying how awesome it is to be in a bottom tier FBS conference and how way better it is than FCS. I have no idea how the financials work out favorably.

The thing is ... they never showed any voodoo math

The Appalachian FBS study was "privately funded" (likely, primarily by a trustee who is a big football booster). If they have released any $$$ numbers, I've never seen them.

It ain't *rocket medicine* I can understand the lack of specifics or exacting detail, but there was nothing (other than ""Trust Us"").

When you start playing with some numbers on either side of the ledger, it's easy to see where the Sunbelt (with BCS share and potential TV monies, etc) just will not work even with the **enhanced ticket revenues and corporate sponsorships** that could be expected.

And the State of North Carolina (more specifically, the Generous Assembly) threw one Heck of a monkey wrench into the works by dumping "tuition waivers" in 2011.

In 2005, the Educational Foundation (or Rams Club) in Chapel Hill convinced the General Assembly that all athletes in the University system should only 'pay' in-state tuition regardless of their home state (this saved the Rams Club millions of dollars as they fund all athletic grants-in-aid at UNC).

They claimed this would not cost *taxpayers* any dollars (that was BS) and would only effect University operating budgets from the tuition hits. As the Generous Assembly was slashing higher education budgets during the recession, folks rightfully pointed out that the tuition waivers were costing the 16-member institutions millions of dollars each year in revenues. So, they were dumped.

If you fiddle with the Hillbilly numbers and factor in a move to FBS, this is likely more than half a million dollars a year.

Ooops.

[dbackjon]

ECU actually believes that C-USA will allow them to be football associates? I'm not sure I like the odds of that happening.

No.
No.
No.

ECU is going to the Big East for football.

[SuperHornet]

I guess I read the post wrong.



But why would the Big East want associates? Wouldn't full members be better?

[dbackjon]

I guess I read the post wrong.



But why would the Big East want associates? Wouldn't full members be better?

SDSU, Boise, and ECU are all football only.

[NH/JMU Saxkow]

I guess I read the post wrong.



But why would the Big East want associates? Wouldn't full members be better?

I don't think Big East sees any value in the other ECU sports. Of course, the Big East seem to be running into the ground.

And the rumor is that CUSA has a clause now that they will only have full conference members - which means that with their football team going to the Big East, their other sports are going to be kicked out of CUSA. The CAA gladly accepts those members, especially ones within our geographic region.

[BisoNation]

I guess I read the post wrong.



But why would the Big East want associates? Wouldn't full members be better?

Pretty sure the Big East will take anything at this point

Gotta remember they have Georgetown, Marquette, Providence, Seton Hall, St. Johns, Depaul, and Villanova as members in other sports so they don't really need full members.

[CAA Flagship]

I don't think Big East sees any value in the other ECU sports. Of course, the Big East seem to be running into the ground.

And the rumor is that CUSA has a clause now that they will only have full conference members - which means that with their football team going to the Big East, their other sports are going to be kicked out of CUSA. The CAA gladly accepts those members, especially ones within our geographic region.

Where is the evidence of this?
Stop making stuff up.

[tampajag]

I guess I read the post wrong.



But why would the Big East want associates? Wouldn't full members be better?

They just want members. USF is fuming that they're "stuck" UCF and the rest of the CUSA folks

[93henfan]

German potato salad is the goods. I can't find it anywhere in Charleston

Tis good to live in/near Amish country.

[Ibanez]

German potato salad is the goods. I can't find it anywhere in Charleston

Andre's in Moncks Corner, off Hwy 17. Andre is from Berlin and uses his mothers recipes. I believe he is from the Soviet sector. There used to be a place in Mt. Pleasant but it has closed.

[NH/JMU Saxkow]

I don't think Big East sees any value in the other ECU sports. Of course, the Big East seem to be running into the ground.

And the rumor is that CUSA has a clause now that they will only have full conference members - which means that with their football team going to the Big East, their other sports are going to be kicked out of CUSA. The CAA gladly accepts those members, especially ones within our geographic region.

Where is the evidence of this?
Stop making stuff up.

http://www.caasports.com/ViewArticle.db ... EM_ID=8500" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Stony Brook, Albany, and now C of C joins the CAA in 7 months. Stony Brook and Albany are only bringing football, not their other sports....the same as other America East teams UNH and Maine. A-10 teams Richmond and URI do the same. So does Big East's Villanova. The CAA has no qualms about taking only part of a school's athletic program.

Meanwhile, CUSA would take the University of Hawaii if it will guarantee them the lucrative Honolulu TV market.

[Fresno St. Alum]

http://blog.timesunion.com/collegesport ... aac/14510/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Does Monmouth get to keep fb in the NEC? If not, can the fund the extra schollies to be #12 fb option for the CAA?

[danefan]

http://blog.timesunion.com/collegesport ... aac/14510/

Does Monmouth get to keep fb in the NEC? If not, can the fund the extra schollies to be #12 fb option for the CAA?

Why would the CAA want them?

Doesn't seem to fit. They'd need to show a large investment in facilities and scholarships. It gives the CAA New Jersey, but Monmouth isn't exactly relevant in any media market.

[Fresno St. Alum]

http://blog.timesunion.com/collegesport ... aac/14510/

Does Monmouth get to keep fb in the NEC? If not, can the fund the extra schollies to be #12 fb option for the CAA?

Why would the CAA want them?

Doesn't seem to fit. They'd need to show a large investment in facilities and scholarships. It gives the CAA New Jersey, but Monmouth isn't exactly relevant in any media market.

I don't know why, I'd hope the NEC would keep them. Who you guys getting for #12? Elon all sports if App and Ga So. bail for the Belt? C.Conn St. for fb only and maybe Siena to the CAA for their sports? MAAC always has 10 members, going to 11 seems odd like they know someone else is out. Siena to CAA or Niagara to the Horizon.

[danefan]

Why would the CAA want them?

Doesn't seem to fit. They'd need to show a large investment in facilities and scholarships. It gives the CAA New Jersey, but Monmouth isn't exactly relevant in any media market.

I don't know why, I'd hope the NEC would keep them. Who you guys getting for #12? Elon all sports if App and Ga So. bail for the Belt? C.Conn St. for fb only and maybe Siena to the CAA for their sports? MAAC always has 10 members, going to 11 seems odd like they know someone else is out. Siena to CAA or Niagara to the Horizon.

Why would the CAA want Siena? Iif the CAA wants n all-sports member in the Albany area (top 50ish media market) Albany is a much better fit and already has one foot in the door.

I think App St and GSU are gone which leads to massive SoCon defection. Elon, Wofford and Furman to the CAA.

[Fresno St. Alum]

I don't know why, I'd hope the NEC would keep them. Who you guys getting for #12? Elon all sports if App and Ga So. bail for the Belt? C.Conn St. for fb only and maybe Siena to the CAA for their sports? MAAC always has 10 members, going to 11 seems odd like they know someone else is out. Siena to CAA or Niagara to the Horizon.

Why would the CAA want Siena? Iif the CAA wants n all-sports member in the Albany area (top 50ish media market) Albany is a much better fit and already has one foot in the door.

I think App St and GSU are gone which leads to massive SoCon defection. Elon, Wofford and Furman to the CAA.

If you're right than maybe Niagara to the Horizon. Siena has good basketball, that's why I was thinking them and only thought of them after the move to 11, which they never do. It seems the AEC and CAA have some kind of agreement to not f w/ each other.

[CAA Flagship]

Where is the evidence of this?
Stop making stuff up.

http://www.caasports.com/ViewArticle.db ... EM_ID=8500" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Stony Brook, Albany, and now C of C joins the CAA in 7 months. Stony Brook and Albany are only bringing football, not their other sports....the same as other America East teams UNH and Maine. A-10 teams Richmond and URI do the same. So does Big East's Villanova. The CAA has no qualms about taking only part of a school's athletic program.

Meanwhile, CUSA would take the University of Hawaii if it will guarantee them the lucrative Honolulu TV market.

Those are football only acceptances to the CAA. They have not had olympic sports only since ECU was a member. You are insinuating that the CAA will welcome them back without football.

[danefan]

Why would the CAA want Siena? Iif the CAA wants n all-sports member in the Albany area (top 50ish media market) Albany is a much better fit and already has one foot in the door.

I think App St and GSU are gone which leads to massive SoCon defection. Elon, Wofford and Furman to the CAA.

If you're right than maybe Niagara to the Horizon. Siena has good basketball, that's why I was thinking them and only thought of them after the move to 11, which they never do. It seems the AEC and CAA have some kind of agreement to not f w/ each other.

CAA and AEast have long histories of screwing each other. See Delaware, Northeastern, Drexel, etc.....

[Fresno St. Alum]

If you're right than maybe Niagara to the Horizon. Siena has good basketball, that's why I was thinking them and only thought of them after the move to 11, which they never do. It seems the AEC and CAA have some kind of agreement to not f w/ each other.

CAA and AEast have long histories of screwing each other. See Delaware, Northeastern, Drexel, etc.....

That was a while ago, they could have taken Albany and SBU for all sports but it would have screwed their other fb members, Maine and UNH, I think that had something to do w/ them not taking all sports.

[danefan]

Now Wagner is tied in.

http://www.ctpost.com/sports/article/So ... z2E2XkqESA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If this is true, it may mean the end of the NEC.

In that case I'd expect CCSU and Bryant to get AEast invites and then I'd expect the AEast to start a football conference and force us back out of the CAA.

Albany
UNH
Maine
SBU
CCSU
Bryant
URI- affiliate
Monmouth-affiliate
Wagner - affiliate

Nothing woud surprise me.

[Fresno St. Alum]

Now Wagner is tied in.

http://www.ctpost.com/sports/article/So ... z2E2XkqESA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If this is true, it may mean the end of the NEC.

In that case I'd expect CCSU and Bryant to get AEast invites and then I'd expect the AEast to start a football conference and force us back out of the CAA.

Albany
UNH
Maine
SBU
CCSU
Bryant
URI- affiliate
Monmouth-affiliate
Wagner - affiliate

Nothing woud surprise me.

That has been talked about a while back, if the CAA really wants any of you they'll take you for all sports. Albany would probably top of that list. Hofstra won't want SBU horning in on them.

[NH/JMU Saxkow]

http://www.caasports.com/ViewArticle.db ... EM_ID=8500" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Stony Brook, Albany, and now C of C joins the CAA in 7 months. Stony Brook and Albany are only bringing football, not their other sports....the same as other America East teams UNH and Maine. A-10 teams Richmond and URI do the same. So does Big East's Villanova. The CAA has no qualms about taking only part of a school's athletic program.

Meanwhile, CUSA would take the University of Hawaii if it will guarantee them the lucrative Honolulu TV market.

Those are football only acceptances to the CAA. They have not had olympic sports only since ECU was a member. You are insinuating that the CAA will welcome them back without football.

Yes, I am. They would provide a great regional rival for W&M, UNC-W, and C of C. Plus, they have a little name recognition (admittedly, not as much without football).