Top ten reasons (Yankee's)

[Cleets Part 2]

Top ten reasons $220 Million won't get you a title (again and again and again)


1. Teams hold relay races around the bases as Jorge' Posada can now only roll the ball to second base...
2. 220lb. Nick Swisher, 40 yr. old Johnny Damon, and a lackadaisical Xavier Nady are slowly jogging after fly balls in the new cavernous outfield...
3. Cody Ransom or Angel Berroa will actually be forced to play whole games when the ancient starting line-up begins to grind down come July...
4. A-Rod fails to deliver another clutch hit - day after day after day...
5. Mariano Rivera adds 85 more innings to his 40 year old arm...
6. Phil Hughes and Ian Kennedy will actually need to start some games when Sabathia collapses after 175 innings. (Hotdog & 12-pack in hand)
7. Jeter slowly turns into David Eckstein as he loses his mysterious "intangibles"
8. They watch Teixeira instantly turn into Jason Giambi and realize, "we just paid $180 Million for that"
9. After 60 innings A.J. Burnett visits Dr. James Andrews... (for the third time in his career)
10. C.C. Sabathia proves again (and again) he can't pitch with the world watching... 1-3, 7.92 ERA. in the play-offs and a career 10.72 ERA against the Red Sox

Yikes... I'm excited to watch this season...

[Willie]

Yeah yeah yeah...

[Gil Dobie]

Red Sox are now the best team money can buy.

[TwinTownBisonFan]

11. They play 19 games against the Rays and Red Sox each...
12. no overhyped prospects left in the minors to swindle the Royals with for Alex Gordon, David DeJesus, Billy Butler or Joakim Soria
13. Billion dollar ballpark was carbon copy of soulless 1970's remodel of what was once a classic ballpark... all the overpriced seats... none of the mystique.
14. the upper deck at said billion dollar ballpark doesn't feel like the world is on top of you when you come to the plate like it did in the old park.
15. C.C. Sabathia weighs nearly double Whitey Ford's win total
16. seriously, he's larger than many D-I linemen...
17. Roger Clemens isn't walking thought that door with his magic syringe
18. Mike Mussina and his automatic 17 win season aren't either
19. Joba Chamberlain = Mark Wohlers + Rich Garces
20. The 8 teams better than them in the American League

[Cleets Part 2]

Red Sox are now the best team money can buy.

Um...
You know not what you say...
12 of their 25 man roster are from their own system - that's not including Clay Bucholtz and Devern Hansack who will both be in the line-up by July...

The Red Sox have without much debate, the best farm team in all of MLB...

2009 Starting line-up from the farm system

Jacoby Ellesbury
Dustin Padroia
Kevin Yukilus
Jed Lowrey
John Lester
Jonathan Papplebon
Justin Masterson
Manny Delcarmen
Javier Lopez
George Kotteras
Christopher Carter
Nick Green

[clenz]

Red Sox are now the best team money can buy.

Um...
You know not what you say...
12 of their 25 man roster are from their own system - that's not including Clay Bucholtz and Devern Hansack who will both be in the line-up by July...

The Red Sox have without much debate, the best farm team in all of MLB...

2009 Starting line-up from the farm system

Jacoby Ellesbury
Dustin Padroia
Kevin Yukilus
Jed Lowrey
John Lester
Jonathan Papplebon
Justin Masterson
Manny Delcarmen
Javier Lopez
George Kotteras
Christopher Carter
Nick Green

That's damn hard to argue with.

[bench]

11. They play 19 games against the Rays and Red Sox each...
12. no overhyped prospects left in the minors to swindle the Royals with for Alex Gordon, David DeJesus, Billy Butler or Joakim Soria
13. Billion dollar ballpark was carbon copy of soulless 1970's remodel of what was once a classic ballpark... all the overpriced seats... none of the mystique.
14. the upper deck at said billion dollar ballpark doesn't feel like the world is on top of you when you come to the plate like it did in the old park.
15. C.C. Sabathia weighs nearly double Whitey Ford's win total
16. seriously, he's larger than many D-I linemen...
17. Roger Clemens isn't walking thought that door with his magic syringe
18. Mike Mussina and his automatic 17 win season aren't either
19. Joba Chamberlain = Mark Wohlers + Rich Garces
20. The 8 teams better than them in the American League

21. CC and Joba meticulously reenact Nathan's classic Kobayashi-Chestnut showdown over post-game spreads

[TwinTownBisonFan]

11. They play 19 games against the Rays and Red Sox each...
12. no overhyped prospects left in the minors to swindle the Royals with for Alex Gordon, David DeJesus, Billy Butler or Joakim Soria
13. Billion dollar ballpark was carbon copy of soulless 1970's remodel of what was once a classic ballpark... all the overpriced seats... none of the mystique.
14. the upper deck at said billion dollar ballpark doesn't feel like the world is on top of you when you come to the plate like it did in the old park.
15. C.C. Sabathia weighs nearly double Whitey Ford's win total
16. seriously, he's larger than many D-I linemen...
17. Roger Clemens isn't walking thought that door with his magic syringe
18. Mike Mussina and his automatic 17 win season aren't either
19. Joba Chamberlain = Mark Wohlers + Rich Garces
20. The 8 teams better than them in the American League

21. CC and Joba meticulously reenact Nathan's classic Kobayashi-Chestnut showdown over post-game spreads

ba-zing

[Col Hogan]

Red Sox are now the best team money can buy.

Yet they are only the fourth highest paid team.....

[UNI88]

A little Yankees smack turns toward the Sawks and the hackles come up. Sawks fans are getting as thin skinned as Yankees fans.

[dbackjon]

Um...
You know not what you say...
12 of their 25 man roster are from their own system - that's not including Clay Bucholtz and Devern Hansack who will both be in the line-up by July...

The Red Sox have without much debate, the best farm team in all of MLB...

2009 Starting line-up from the farm system

Jacoby Ellesbury
Dustin Padroia
Kevin Yukilus
Jed Lowrey
John Lester
Jonathan Papplebon
Justin Masterson
Manny Delcarmen
Javier Lopez
George Kotteras
Christopher Carter
Nick Green

That's damn hard to argue with.

good, but typical New England hyperbole...

Rays were basically all home grown. Dbacks are mostly home grown

[clenz]

That's damn hard to argue with.

good, but typical New England hyperbole...

Rays were basically all home grown. Dbacks are mostly home grown

As are the Twins....and pretty much any team that has a payroll less than the top 4-5 paid players on the Yankees

[wideright82]

"NO fairrrrr, the Yankees spend too much money, wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"








Start bitching once we win a world series again, what's it been since 2000 and still you suckers can't get over the fact that buying players doesn't win chips. I hope the Yankees, in all my hatred for what they have become, win 130 games this season, and sweep the playoffs. All of that just so I can really hear some bitching about payroll.

[AZGrizFan]

"NO fairrrrr, the Yankees spend too much money, wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"








Start bitching once we win a world series again, what's it been since 2000 and still you suckers can't get over the fact that buying players doesn't win chips. I hope the Yankees, in all my hatred for what they have become, win 130 games this season, and sweep the playoffs. All of that just so I can really hear some bitching about payroll.

When you spend that kind of money you shouldn't have to "hope", but after 8 years, we understand.

[wideright82]

"NO fairrrrr, the Yankees spend too much money, wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"








Start bitching once we win a world series again, what's it been since 2000 and still you suckers can't get over the fact that buying players doesn't win chips. I hope the Yankees, in all my hatred for what they have become, win 130 games this season, and sweep the playoffs. All of that just so I can really hear some bitching about payroll.

When you spend that kind of money you shouldn't have to "hope", but after 8 years, we understand.

hence my bolded part AZ. I have said time and time again, my favorite team in baseball is the NY Yankees, and my most hated team in all of baseball is the NY Yankees. I hate the spending as much as anyone, believe me, but there is a difference between bitching about how much they spend, and just making fun of them for sucking even though they spend so much. I feel like everytime the yankees success is brought up it is shrouded by the payroll. I say payroll schmayroll, if they win, who gives a shit, get a richer owner, and try to emulate what they do. If they lose, again who gives a shit, everyone else is doing better for cheaper, so let them waste money.

[clenz]

When you spend that kind of money you shouldn't have to "hope", but after 8 years, we understand.

hence my bolded part AZ. I have said time and time again, my favorite team in baseball is the NY Yankees, and my most hated team in all of baseball is the NY Yankees. I hate the spending as much as anyone, believe me, but there is a difference between bitching about how much they spend, and just making fun of them for sucking even though they spend so much. I feel like everytime the yankees success is brought up it is shrouded by the payroll. I say payroll schmayroll, if they win, who gives a shit, get a richer owner, and try to emulate what they do. If they lose, again who gives a shit, everyone else is doing better for cheaper, so let them waste money.

I know you aren't dumb enough to believe that getting a richer owner will help the Twins payroll to be more than that of the top 4 Yankees. You realize that the top 4-6 Yankees salaries for this year is higher than nearly half of the teams in the majors entire payroll right?

[Cleets Part 2]

hence my bolded part AZ. I have said time and time again, my favorite team in baseball is the NY Yankees, and my most hated team in all of baseball is the NY Yankees. I hate the spending as much as anyone, believe me, but there is a difference between bitching about how much they spend, and just making fun of them for sucking even though they spend so much. I feel like everytime the yankees success is brought up it is shrouded by the payroll. I say payroll schmayroll, if they win, who gives a shit, get a richer owner, and try to emulate what they do. If they lose, again who gives a shit, everyone else is doing better for cheaper, so let them waste money.

I know you aren't dumb enough to believe that getting a richer owner will help the Twins payroll to be more than that of the top 4 Yankees. You realize that the top 4-6 Yankees salaries for this year is higher than nearly half of the teams in the majors entire payroll right?

The Twins had the Richest owner in all of baseball for 25 years...!!!!
(and that's a fact)

[Cleets Part 2]

That's damn hard to argue with.

good, but typical New England hyperbole...

Rays were basically all home grown. Dbacks are mostly home grown

Um...
There are 21 teams in MLB who have fewer farm raised starters than Boston...
(Not hyperbole) Just the facts when it comes to baseball....

[clenz]

I know you aren't dumb enough to believe that getting a richer owner will help the Twins payroll to be more than that of the top 4 Yankees. You realize that the top 4-6 Yankees salaries for this year is higher than nearly half of the teams in the majors entire payroll right?

The Twins had the Richest owner in all of baseball for 25 years...!!!!
(and that's a fact)

The Twins just can't seem to gain a big enough market to get a higher payroll...that or they don't want to spend the money that they have.



That would remind me of my old favorite NBA team, whom I've abandoned until a new owner comes in, the LA Clippers

[wideright82]

hence my bolded part AZ. I have said time and time again, my favorite team in baseball is the NY Yankees, and my most hated team in all of baseball is the NY Yankees. I hate the spending as much as anyone, believe me, but there is a difference between bitching about how much they spend, and just making fun of them for sucking even though they spend so much. I feel like everytime the yankees success is brought up it is shrouded by the payroll. I say payroll schmayroll, if they win, who gives a shit, get a richer owner, and try to emulate what they do. If they lose, again who gives a shit, everyone else is doing better for cheaper, so let them waste money.

I know you aren't dumb enough to believe that getting a richer owner will help the Twins payroll to be more than that of the top 4 Yankees. You realize that the top 4-6 Yankees salaries for this year is higher than nearly half of the teams in the majors entire payroll right?

Sorry, I thought using the term "payroll schmayroll" and the 3 laughing smilies, would lend itself to people knowing those last 2 sentences were in jest. Of course the richer owner is not the answer, but if you want to find a better example than the Twins, I would say the Buccos. They have one of the richest owners in the league, but do not WANT to spend the money. The reason the Yankees can, and will spend like they do, is because they have the market. They have NYC, an extreme advantage, they have legacy, another extreme advantage, and they have CASH, a HUGE advantage. And yes, TTBF , I do realize that, my question to you is, why do you give a flying fuck, how much the yankees spent on their top 4-6 guys?

[wideright82]

The Twins had the Richest owner in all of baseball for 25 years...!!!!
(and that's a fact)

The Twins just can't seem to gain a big enough market to get a higher payroll...that or they don't want to spend the money that they have.



That would remind me of my old favorite NBA team, whom I've abandoned until a new owner comes in, the LA Clippers

Oh man, the market, took the words right out of my muoth you damn message board ninja.

[clenz]

The Twins just can't seem to gain a big enough market to get a higher payroll...that or they don't want to spend the money that they have.



That would remind me of my old favorite NBA team, whom I've abandoned until a new owner comes in, the LA Clippers

Oh man, the market, took the words right out of my muoth you damn message board ninja.

I've said it before and I'll say it again...I think I said it to you last time as well.


I'm a damn ninja on the message boards, I will catch it if you post it before you edit it....and I'll probably say it before you will

[TwinTownBisonFan]

It's not the market that's the problem for the Twins. The Twin Cities are the 18th largest market in baseball (14th largest in the US with the biggest 4 sharing their market with another team)...

the problem for the Twins is the Metrodome. They control almost none of the revenue in the building aside from ticket sales and and twins merchandise.

Their tv ratings are HUGE their radio ratings are HUGE (although they were bigger when they were on the 50,000 watt powerhouse WCCO)

as was said above... they have a very rich owner... the father of who I SWEAR was the inspiration for Mr. Burns. When it was announced that Pohlad died... people cheered... really... the man was a villain.

thing is... fans in Minnesota like homegrown product, and they're okay with being underdogs... but if you look at hat is happening with the Wild... their patience runs thin after awhile when results are mediocre. They also get pretty tired of losing their favorite players to free agency or trades in their contract year. Johan Santana and Torrii Hunter are still sorely missed by fans... (that said Corey Koskie and Doug Mientkiewicz are too... even though they aren't exactly world beaters)

The thing fans have with the Yankees isn't about them buying the WS every year... since they don't... we all get off on the schadenfraude of watching them piss away all that money... but it's really more about poaching everyone elses homegrown talent rather than developing any of it themselves. that has nothing to do with your squad winning or losing... it has to do with fans developing a bond with a player and then, just when they get good, having that player snatched away from them. the Twins don't deal with the Yankees much... thankfully... for us it's always been the Mets that get our best players after we've turned them in to stars (Frank Viola and Johan)

[clenz]

It's not the market that's the problem for the Twins. The Twin Cities are the 18th largest market in baseball (14th largest in the US with the biggest 4 sharing their market with another team)...

the problem for the Twins is the Metrodome. They control almost none of the revenue in the building aside from ticket sales and and twins merchandise.

Their tv ratings are HUGE their radio ratings are HUGE (although they were bigger when they were on the 50,000 watt powerhouse WCCO)

as was said above... they have a very rich owner... the father of who I SWEAR was the inspiration for Mr. Burns. When it was announced that Pohlad died... people cheered... really... the man was a villain.

thing is... fans in Minnesota like homegrown product, and they're okay with being underdogs... but if you look at hat is happening with the Wild... their patience runs thin after awhile when results are mediocre. They also get pretty tired of losing their favorite players to free agency or trades in their contract year. Johan Santana and Torrii Hunter are still sorely missed by fans... (that said Corey Koskie and Doug Mientkiewicz are too... even though they aren't exactly world beaters)

The thing fans have with the Yankees isn't about them buying the WS every year... since they don't... we all get off on the schadenfraude of watching them piss away all that money... but it's really more about poaching everyone elses homegrown talent rather than developing any of it themselves. that has nothing to do with your squad winning or losing... it has to do with fans developing a bond with a player and then, just when they get good, having that player snatched away from them. the Twins don't deal with the Yankees much... thankfully... for us it's always been the Mets that get our best players after we've turned them in to stars (Frank Viola and Johan)

I never get to see Twins games anymore. Cedar Falls is dead in Chicago teritory, so Cubs White Sox, Black Hawks, Bulls, etc... is all I hear.


Is there a way to watch Twins games online free?

[TwinTownBisonFan]

mlb put an end to free anything.

mlb.tv is pretty damn good for the price... i had it in 06 when I lived in Philly... worked out great.