Who Presented The Greatest Threat To The World?

[bobbythekidd]

I guess you should have put Vladmir Putin on that list since he invaded Georgia, but no, thats Bush's fault to isnt it?

Oh crap! Here we go again. Someone call citdog!

[dbackjon]

Been paying plenty of attention. We rightfully went after them in Afganistan. But we did not finish the job. Instead, Bush decided to go after Saddam, who had NOTHING TO DO with 9/11, and did not support a single terrorist that threatened the United States.

Now, because of Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld's ineptitude in conducting a war, Al-Queda is a greater threat to the world than in was 8 years ago.

Heck ofa job, Bushie.

Apparently not, if you havent noticed, and by your post you havent. We are still fighting them in Afganistan, its the democrats who want to withdraw our troops out of Afg, and in doing so we will lose, we havent lost the war (yet). But as soon as we withdraw all troops, we will have lost the war, which is what the democrats want to happen.

And I dissagree, how can you say terrorism is a greater threat now than it was 8 years ago, 9/11 happened 8 years ago, and we havent be attacked since, (until Obama the apologist took office and one of our cargo ships was hi-jacked) You might not like him, but Bush kept our country safe. And now Obama is going to erase all that, by putting the CIA on trial, just for doing their jobs and keeping our country safe, who cares what kind of interogation methods we used on them they worked, the CIA saved Los Angeles from being attacked, by putting the agents who did the interogation on trial, he is dishonoring the military and the victoms of 9/11. Actually maybe I do agree with you, now that Obama wants to get rid of the interogation methods we now have no way to know what they are planning, so maybe we are in more trouble.

And another thing, where is the outrage?

The Patriot Act that all of you hated and opposed so much is still being used today.

Ryan - once again, don't let facts get in the way. It is the DEMOCRATS that have been pushing for more troops in Afganistan. It is the DEMOCRATS that want to step up the military presence there.

There are far more terrorists with the USA as their target today than 8 years ago.

And you know that the Somalia piracy had nothing to do with Obama taking office - SMFH.

And yes, the Patriot Act is still in effect, but parts will be revised.

[Wildcat Ryan]

Thats right Bill Clinton was offered him twice.

Don't deflect what I said...I voted for Bush and he screwed up...BIG TIME...I'm not here defending Clinton the low-life...

Now, try again and this time FOCUS on what I posted...

Look Im not Bush's biggest fan, but he was a better choice than Gore or Kerry. And in all retrospects which alot of people fail to see, or refuse to see, is that whether or not the war should have been in Afg or Iraq, we just freed a whole nation from a tryannical Dictator that used his own citizens for target practice, and that was worth it. And we are still fighting Al Qaeda in Iraq.

I agree, instead of bringing our troops home, we should move back into Afg and finish the job, but the left doesnt want to, retreating out of the middle east is the lefts idea of winning.

[dbackjon]

jon, you and I don't agree on that much politically...but in Air Force Fighter speak...SHACK

For those wondering, that means he hit the target dead on with that post...

We had an opportunity to take out OBL and al-Qaeda...but Bush et al had a serious case of ADD and took us into Iraq...based on intel that everyone (including Bush) except Cheney admits was faulty...

Now, al-Qaeda has recovered a lot of their ability at least regionally and we need to divert resources back to Afghanistan to try and finish the job...

Thats right Bill Clinton was offered him twice.

Again - another LIE told by the Republicans. Clinton TRIED to get him. Congressional Republicans, and your hero Rush derided/derailed those attempts, claiming he was only trying to distract attention from a blowjob.


Newt Gingrich, et al have harmed this country far more than Saddam ever dreamed.

[BlueHen86]

Don't deflect what I said...I voted for Bush and he screwed up...BIG TIME...I'm not here defending Clinton the low-life...

Now, try again and this time FOCUS on what I posted...

Look Im not Bush's biggest fan, but he was a better choice than Gore or Kerry. And in all retrospects which alot of people fail to see, or refuse to see, is that whether or not the war should have been in Afg or Iraq, we just freed a whole nation from a tryannical Dictator that used his own citizens for target practice, and that was worth it. And we are still fighting Al Qaeda in Iraq.

I agree, instead of bringing our troops home, we should move back into Afg and finish the job, but the left doesnt want to, retreating out of the middle east is the lefts idea of winning.

Who on the left is pushing for a U.S. withdraw from Afghanistan? More importantly, is anyone in the Obama Admin. doing so? You keep making the claim, can you support it?

Looks to me like you have a pro-right agenda and are will to spread lies to make your point. Nothing wrong with being a republican (I'm one!) but try and be honest when discussing the issues.

[Wildcat Ryan]

Apparently not, if you havent noticed, and by your post you havent. We are still fighting them in Afganistan, its the democrats who want to withdraw our troops out of Afg, and in doing so we will lose, we havent lost the war (yet). But as soon as we withdraw all troops, we will have lost the war, which is what the democrats want to happen.

And I dissagree, how can you say terrorism is a greater threat now than it was 8 years ago, 9/11 happened 8 years ago, and we havent be attacked since, (until Obama the apologist took office and one of our cargo ships was hi-jacked) You might not like him, but Bush kept our country safe. And now Obama is going to erase all that, by putting the CIA on trial, just for doing their jobs and keeping our country safe, who cares what kind of interogation methods we used on them they worked, the CIA saved Los Angeles from being attacked, by putting the agents who did the interogation on trial, he is dishonoring the military and the victoms of 9/11. Actually maybe I do agree with you, now that Obama wants to get rid of the interogation methods we now have no way to know what they are planning, so maybe we are in more trouble.

And another thing, where is the outrage?

The Patriot Act that all of you hated and opposed so much is still being used today.

Ryan - once again, don't let facts get in the way. It is the DEMOCRATS that have been pushing for more troops in Afganistan. It is the DEMOCRATS that want to step up the military presence there.

There are far more terrorists with the USA as their target today than 8 years ago.

And you know that the Somalia piracy had nothing to do with Obama taking office - SMFH.

And yes, the Patriot Act is still in effect, but parts will be revised.

Thats why two years ago Harry Reid and Nacy Pelosi both said the War is lost, its just a bumbersticker slogan, and we must bring them home and stop the war. Ever since the war started the left has done nothing but impune and degrade the military, calling them terrorists murdering women and children in the dark of night (John Kerry) and killing civilians in cold blood. And now the leader of the Department of Homeland Security ( Napolatono or however the hell you spell it ) is calling our returning military soldiers TERRORIST THREATS, I mean what the hell?

How dare they say stuff like that about our brave men and women. They are out there dying for us, and for those ungrateful a-holes on the left.

[BlueHen86]

Thats right Bill Clinton was offered him twice.

Again - another LIE told by the Republicans. Clinton TRIED to get him. Congressional Republicans, and your hero Rush derided/derailed those attempts, claiming he was only trying to distract attention from a blowjob.


Newt Gingrich, et al have harmed this country far more than Saddam ever dreamed.

Both sides share the blame. Clinton for putting himself in that position, and the republicans for putting party politics ahead of the national interest.

[Wildcat Ryan]

Look Im not Bush's biggest fan, but he was a better choice than Gore or Kerry. And in all retrospects which alot of people fail to see, or refuse to see, is that whether or not the war should have been in Afg or Iraq, we just freed a whole nation from a tryannical Dictator that used his own citizens for target practice, and that was worth it. And we are still fighting Al Qaeda in Iraq.

I agree, instead of bringing our troops home, we should move back into Afg and finish the job, but the left doesnt want to, retreating out of the middle east is the lefts idea of winning.

Who on the left is pushing for a U.S. withdraw from Afghanistan? More importantly, is anyone in the Obama Admin. doing so? You keep making the claim, can you support it?

Looks to me like you have a pro-right agenda and are will to spread lies to make your point. Nothing wrong with being a republican (I'm one!) but try and be honest when discussing the issues.

Obama has come out and said that he will bring all troops home by 2011, whether or not we win or lose, and the left would prefer to lose.

[Wildcat Ryan]

Thats right Bill Clinton was offered him twice.

Again - another LIE told by the Republicans. Clinton TRIED to get him. Congressional Republicans, and your hero Rush derided/derailed those attempts, claiming he was only trying to distract attention from a blowjob.


Newt Gingrich, et al have harmed this country far more than Saddam ever dreamed.

Did MSNBC tell you that?

Bill Clinton was offered OBL twice, but instead of taking him, he took money instead from the UAE just so he could keep good relations with them.

[BlueHen86]

Who on the left is pushing for a U.S. withdraw from Afghanistan? More importantly, is anyone in the Obama Admin. doing so? You keep making the claim, can you support it?

Looks to me like you have a pro-right agenda and are will to spread lies to make your point. Nothing wrong with being a republican (I'm one!) but try and be honest when discussing the issues.

Obama has come out and said that he will bring all troops home by 2011, whether or not we win or lose, and the left would prefer to lose.

Do you have a link to the statement that Obama wants troops out of Afghanistan by 2011 win or lose. You keep making idiotic statements, can you support any of them.

[Col Hogan]

Don't deflect what I said...I voted for Bush and he screwed up...BIG TIME...I'm not here defending Clinton the low-life...

Now, try again and this time FOCUS on what I posted...

Look Im not Bush's biggest fan, but he was a better choice than Gore or Kerry. And in all retrospects which alot of people fail to see, or refuse to see, is that whether or not the war should have been in Afg or Iraq, we just freed a whole nation from a tryannical Dictator that used his own citizens for target practice, and that was worth it. And we are still fighting Al Qaeda in Iraq.

I agree, instead of bringing our troops home, we should move back into Afg and finish the job, but the left doesnt want to, retreating out of the middle east is the lefts idea of winning.

You're getting closer...but once again you try and defelct by bringing up Gore the Bore and John Helmet head" Kerry...they have NOTHING to do with the massive SCREW UP that Bush performed going into Iraq...

And I don't give a rat's arse that he took down a tin-horn dictator who used his people as target practice...if that's all the reason we need, why didn't we go into North Korea...or into Somalia again...if Bush wanted a war...

No, my friend, you are a neo-con...and neo-cons were salivating to go into Iraq...the writings are there going back to the early 90's...

Bush screwed up MY MILITARY with his ill-advised adventure into Iraq...not putting enough troops in there after being told by his MILITARY EXPERTS we would need a couple hundred thousand to keep the peace if we went in...You conviently forget (or ignore) that fact...

Fact is, militarily...you don't jump from an incomplete battle into another, pulling resources from the first to fight the second...that's piss-poor judgement at the least...and almost criminal in this case because Bush was TOLD IN ADVANCE what would happen...and he ignored it...

[dbackjon]

Who on the left is pushing for a U.S. withdraw from Afghanistan? More importantly, is anyone in the Obama Admin. doing so? You keep making the claim, can you support it?

Looks to me like you have a pro-right agenda and are will to spread lies to make your point. Nothing wrong with being a republican (I'm one!) but try and be honest when discussing the issues.

Obama has come out and said that he will bring all troops home by 2011, whether or not we win or lose, and the left would prefer to lose.

FIRST OF ALL - Stop the Rush/Beck BULLSHIT that the left wants the US to lose. You have ZERO CREDIBILITY when you do that, and makes you look like a complete ASSHOLE.

Until you can actually discuss things logically, without telling lies, there is no reason to continue this.

[slycat]

Neither and thats the fucked up part.

[dbackjon]

Again - another LIE told by the Republicans. Clinton TRIED to get him. Congressional Republicans, and your hero Rush derided/derailed those attempts, claiming he was only trying to distract attention from a blowjob.


Newt Gingrich, et al have harmed this country far more than Saddam ever dreamed.

Did MSNBC tell you that?

Bill Clinton was offered OBL twice, but instead of taking him, he took money instead from the UAE just so he could keep good relations with them.

Please LINK YOUR BULLSHIT LIES...

[Wildcat Ryan]

Did MSNBC tell you that?

Bill Clinton was offered OBL twice, but instead of taking him, he took money instead from the UAE just so he could keep good relations with them.

Please LINK YOUR BULLSHIT LIES...

You keep telling me to link my "lies" but you never link yours.

And your right, there is no reason to continue this debate, cause all I have heard on this blog is lies.

[Col Hogan]

Please LINK YOUR BULLSHIT LIES...

You keep telling me to link my "lies" but you never link yours.

And your right, there is no reason to continue this debate, cause all I have heard on this blog is lies.

Don't you walk away right now...you still haven't answered my questions...and I CHALLENGE YOU TO REFUTE ANYTHING I SAID...

[BlueHen86]

Anyone can make idiotic statements on a message board. For example:

George W. Bush invaded Iraq because the Saudi's told him to. They funded his election and he owed them. Bush also wants the Taliban to win in Pakistan because he wants Obama to fail. It's no secret that the only thing Neocons care about is money.

Go ahead wildcat ryan - prove me wrong.

[dbackjon]

Please LINK YOUR BULLSHIT LIES...

You keep telling me to link my "lies" but you never link yours.

And your right, there is no reason to continue this debate, cause all I have heard on this blog is lies.

I would love to have a reasonable debate. But when half the debaters come in with the attitude that the other side are a bunch of liars, hate America, hate the military, and want the United States to be defeated, then what is the point? I am not the one making these fantastical claims.

And even when I do LINK, or explain, you dismiss it as a liberal lie (like the Orange incident), or the falsehood your gun instructor told you about Guns and Ammo in California, which was disproven by a retired CALIFORNIA CONSERVATIVE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER...

[BlueHen86]

You keep telling me to link my "lies" but you never link yours.

And your right, there is no reason to continue this debate, cause all I have heard on this blog is lies.

I would love to have a reasonable debate. But when half the debaters come in with the attitude that the other side are a bunch of liars, hate America, hate the military, and want the United States to be defeated, then what is the point? I am not the one making these fantastical claims.

And even when I do LINK, or explain, you dismiss it as a liberal lie (like the Orange incident), or the falsehood your gun instructor told you about Guns and Ammo in California, which was disproven by a retired CALIFORNIA CONSERVATIVE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER...

Excellent response Jon.

[bobbythekidd]

It's settled. Wildcatryan = EMPTY SUIT

Anyone not agree?

[BlueHen86]

It's settled. Wildcatryan = EMPTY SUIT

Anyone not agree?

I agree.

[Col Hogan]

It's settled. Wildcatryan = EMPTY SUIT

Anyone not agree?

I agree.

Second...

[native]

I agree.

Second...

Naw, I don't agree. Ryan at least tries.

He is correct about Bill Clinton getting two chances to wax OBL and passing on the opportunity. Once in Sudan by the Sudanese government trying to curry favor, and another time with a CIA operative on a Satellite phone who had OBL's tent in Afghanistan dead to rights.

[bobbythekidd]

I'm looking your way next. Just for the fun of it. I like fun.

[native]

...try again and this time FOCUS on what I posted...

Your questions deserve answers, Colonel Hogan!