Thanks Obama

[Ibanez]

Fucking Obamacare. I'm so glad it's saving me money.

Last year, a sick visit was a $20 copay.

Today, it's $90 co-insurance.

[Chizzang]

You'll notice that Insurance companies (some of the most profitable companies in the world)
Are NOT complaining about Obama Care - in fact they've never made so much money and done so little

[Ibanez]

You'll notice that Insurance companies (some of the most profitable companies in the world)
Are NOT complaining about Obama Care - in fact they've never made so much money and done so little

Of course they are happy. They now charge you each month AND make you reach an high deductible before they do a fucking thing. The ONLY way this could be a good idea is if at the end of the year, you were refunded money you didn't use. It's June and I'm using insurance for the first time. $400+ a month wasted. Fucking liberals. I seriously hope a republicans wins in 2016.


I bet it's cheaper for me to Not be insured

[Ibanez]

Who the fuck thought this was a good idea? Fucking liberals assholes.

[D1B]

working great for me and everyone I know.

[Grizalltheway]

You'll notice that Insurance companies (some of the most profitable companies in the world)
Are NOT complaining about Obama Care - in fact they've never made so much money and done so little

Of course they are happy. They now charge you each month AND make you reach an high deductible before they do a fucking thing. The ONLY way this could be a good idea is if at the end of the year, you were refunded money you didn't use. It's June and I'm using insurance for the first time. $400+ a month wasted. Fucking liberals. I seriously hope a republicans wins in 2016.


I bet it's cheaper for me to Not be insured

Meh. You would have just spent it on leather handbags, anyway.

[Ibanez]

working great for me and everyone I know.

Doubt it.

Meanwhile, I had to ask how much the visit would be if I had no insurance: $30.


I may vote GOP next year

[Ibanez]

Of course they are happy. They now charge you each month AND make you reach an high deductible before they do a fucking thing. The ONLY way this could be a good idea is if at the end of the year, you were refunded money you didn't use. It's June and I'm using insurance for the first time. $400+ a month wasted. Fucking liberals. I seriously hope a republicans wins in 2016.


I bet it's cheaper for me to Not be insured

Meh. You would have just spent it on leather handbags, anyway.

Faux leather only. It's as if you don't know me at all!!!

[CID1990]

working great for me and everyone I know.

thats because you and everyone you know qualify for all the subsidies

[Chizzang]

working great for me and everyone I know.

Doubt it.

Meanwhile, I had to ask how much the visit would be if I had no insurance: $30.


I may vote GOP next year

The Affordable Care Act may still get repealed
There is enough traction from employed people who vote to get a look see

[Skjellyfetti]

Meanwhile, I had to ask how much the visit would be if I had no insurance: $30.

[Ibanez]

Meanwhile, I had to ask how much the visit would be if I had no insurance: $30.

Fuck you.
That's just the doctors visit, that doesn't include the costs of tests.

[Ibanez]

Doubt it.

Meanwhile, I had to ask how much the visit would be if I had no insurance: $30.


I may vote GOP next year

The Affordable Care Act may still get repealed
There is enough traction from employed people who vote to get a look see

Seriously, i can't imagine how many more family's now have to consider and weight the options of saving money/paying bills or going to the doctor. Our country is so fucked.

[D1B]

working great for me and everyone I know.

thats because you and everyone you know qualify for all the subsidies

Nope, and you know it.

[D1B]

Fuck you.
That's just the doctors visit, that doesn't include the costs of tests.

Yeah, I'm calling bullshit on this one too.

Iba, have you ever considered you just might be an idiot and got the wrong insurance or provider?

[dbackjon]

Fuck you.
That's just the doctors visit, that doesn't include the costs of tests.

Agreed - if the doctor had a cash price of $30, but charged you $90 co-pay, that is an out-right lie on the doctor's part.


Do you get insurance through work? A lot of companies are using the cover of ACA to cut back their expense, and then blame their cheapness on the ACA, when in fact THEY are pocketing the money.

[Baldy]

Fuck you.
That's just the doctors visit, that doesn't include the costs of tests.

Agreed - if the doctor had a cash price of $30, but charged you $90 co-pay, that is an out-right lie on the doctor's part.


Do you get insurance through work? A lot of companies are using the cover of ACA to cut back their expense, and then blame their cheapness on the ACA, when in fact THEY are pocketing the money.

jon finally admitting Obamacare is a piece of shit.

[Skjellyfetti]

Fuck you.
That's just the doctors visit, that doesn't include the costs of tests.

You realize it's a dumb fucking comparison then, right?

[Ibanez]

Fuck you.
That's just the doctors visit, that doesn't include the costs of tests.

Yeah, I'm calling bullshit on this one too.

Iba, have you ever considered you just might be an idiot and got the wrong insurance or provider?

No. have you considered that people have different experiences and this is one thing the democrats have royally fucked up?

But I guess you were on the phone with me, right.

My insurance used to be great. $20 copay. I think we paid around $500 total for all the dr visits for our baby to be born. Hell, 3 yrs ago, I was in the hospital for a week and I paid around $400 (out of pocket plus ER fee) or so to meet the deductible and the rest was paid for. That was great. It was worth it. Even now, I like that wellness visits and vaccinations are covered, I know some people that are paying through the nose for vaccine b/c their insurance doesn't cover the total cost. But this co-insurance part is fucked up.

[Ibanez]

Fuck you.
That's just the doctors visit, that doesn't include the costs of tests.

Agreed - if the doctor had a cash price of $30, but charged you $90 co-pay, that is an out-right lie on the doctor's part.


Do you get insurance through work? A lot of companies are using the cover of ACA to cut back their expense, and then blame their cheapness on the ACA, when in fact THEY are pocketing the money.

I thought it sounded weird as well. I told a co-worker, who goes to a different pediatrician and she was told that the cash amount was way less than the co-insurance part.


Dback, it's co-insurance. Not co-pay. There's a difference.


Edit: Of course I have insurance through work. I couldn't imagine how expensive it would be without my employer subsidizing it.

[Ibanez]

Fuck you.
That's just the doctors visit, that doesn't include the costs of tests.

You realize it's a dumb fucking comparison then, right?

Maybe i'm not presenting the situation correctly.

Billing: The office visit is $100 plus whatever tests the doctor has to run.

Me: How much would the office visit be if I had no insurance?

Billing: $30.

Me: Seriously. Can we forget that I have insurance?

Billing: I'm sorry sir, we aren't allowed to do that.

[Pwns]

There is nothing magic about Obamacare. The immutable axioms and corollaries of mathematics still apply. You don't insure lots of people with preexisting conditions without many people having to pay more.



"We called it the 'Affordable' Care Act!"

[dbackjon]

You realize it's a dumb fucking comparison then, right?

Maybe i'm not presenting the situation correctly.

Billing: The office visit is $100 plus whatever tests the doctor has to run.

Me: How much would the office visit be if I had no insurance?

Billing: $30.

Me: Seriously. Can we forget that I have insurance?

Billing: I'm sorry sir, we aren't allowed to do that.

That makes zero sense. I am not doubting you, just doesn't make logical sense

[Ibanez]

Maybe i'm not presenting the situation correctly.

Billing: The office visit is $100 plus whatever tests the doctor has to run.

Me: How much would the office visit be if I had no insurance?

Billing: $30.

Me: Seriously. Can we forget that I have insurance?

Billing: I'm sorry sir, we aren't allowed to do that.

That makes zero sense. I am not doubting you, just doesn't make logical sense

It makes zero sense. Either I had a stroke on the phone or that lady is screwing with me.

[Chizzang]

Its kinda like "trickle down" economics...
It works great (for somebody) just not what we were lead to believe



and like so many things in Politics - it ain't as bad as we're led to believe - and not as good as we were sold