The Ukraine Crisis

[UNI88]

Played out like putin said it would? A couple of days to take Kiev and replace the Ukrainian government or absorb the country? Those were the expectations until putin, trump and MAQA yahoos tried to whitewash history.

A brilliant negotiator doesn't start negotiations by:

• making concessions (no return of territory, no NATO membership) before negotiations have even started. That's either moronic or proof of favoritism toward russia.
• excluding one of the central parties to the dispute (Ukraine) and a group of parties that will be expected to contribute financially and possibly with manpower to a solution (European nations).

Ukraine does not have to agree to whatever trump negotiates with putin (fortunately, Europe has $200-300 billion in russian funds that can be confiscated to help fund either Ukrainian defense or rebuilding). They need to be a part of the process and territorial concessions and NATO membership are chits that should be used not given away.

You're about as knowledgeable on foreign affairs as kalm is on virology.

What are you talking about. Victora Neumann, Cids lover, the person he hitched boat to and was exposed as a retard.

Thank you for proving my last sentence. Now back to the Covid thread where you can hold your own.

[SeattleGriz]

What are you talking about. Victora Neumann, Cids lover, the person he hitched boat to and was exposed as a retard.

Thank you for proving my last sentence. Now back to the Covid thread where you can hold your own.

You don't know about Nuland. Do you? All this time and still uninformed. Then, showing you don't understand what has transpired, go back to the well and imply a guy who had NOTHING to work with, doesn't know how to negotiate.

You also apparently are not bright enough to realize Ukraine doesn't get a seat at the table. They pissed that away by admitting Minsk I and II were just plots to build up troops, and of course them being the West's proxy.

The adults are finally talking. Go back to the children's table and keep playing with your food.

[SeattleGriz]

Crickets

You were crickets when it came to Joey Rotten and his Lucifer administration sending all those young men to be slaughtered …

JoBozo was crickets for his entire 4 miserable years except that one time when the idiot said minor incursions were just fine…

Let’s see what happens and congratulations to Donald Trump for taking this on when nobody would

You have to realize Klan is the perfect stooge for the Asch conformity experiment. Zero critical thinking skills, just goes with what his Leftist echo chamber tells him.

[Caribbean Hen]

You were crickets when it came to Joey Rotten and his Lucifer administration sending all those young men to be slaughtered …

JoBozo was crickets for his entire 4 miserable years except that one time when the idiot said minor incursions were just fine…

Let’s see what happens and congratulations to Donald Trump for taking this on when nobody would

You have to realize Klan is the perfect stooge for the Asch conformity experiment. Zero critical thinking skills, just goes with what his Leftist echo chamber tells him.

Perfect description

Paid operative like

[kalm]

With us siding with the baddies, wont the odds of Europe increasing its own military capability and support of Ukraine go up? Putin has tipped his hand so capitulation becomes less likely as Europe has seen how Putin prefers to negotiate.

Also..Kallas is a smoke show.

[UNI88]

You have to realize Klan is the perfect stooge for the Asch conformity experiment. Zero critical thinking skills, just goes with what his Leftist echo chamber tells him.

Perfect description

Paid operative like

Straight out of the MAQA yahoo playbook. Accuse the other side what you're guilty of.

How much is RT paying you stooges?

[UNI88]

With us siding with the baddies, wont the odds of Europe increasing its own military capability and support of Ukraine go up? Putin has tipped his hand so capitulation becomes less likely as Europe has seen how Putin prefers to negotiate.

Also..Kallas is a smoke show.

I think Europe will step up with trump acting as putin's puppet ...

[kalm]

With us siding with the baddies, wont the odds of Europe increasing its own military capability and support of Ukraine go up? Putin has tipped his hand so capitulation becomes less likely as Europe has seen how Putin prefers to negotiate.

Also..Kallas is a smoke show.

I think Europe will step up with trump acting as putin's puppet ...

They have to. I’m curious if Putin realized this going in?

[UNI88]

I think Europe will step up with trump acting as putin's puppet ...

They have to. I’m curious if Putin realized this going in?

putin wanted a docile Europe, not a revitalized Europe. He's not going to be happy with trump.

[SeattleGriz]

With us siding with the baddies, wont the odds of Europe increasing its own military capability and support of Ukraine go up? Putin has tipped his hand so capitulation becomes less likely as Europe has seen how Putin prefers to negotiate.

Also..Kallas is a smoke show.

Ah yes. European democracy where you get thrown in jail by the thought police for posting or saying something that hurt perceived feelings. Don't forget they cancel elections, and when they don't like the election results, refuse to listen to the people.

I can see why he is afraid of "democracy" like that coming to Russia. Stupidest argument ever

[Bobcat]

I quit caring about what the UK thinks about anything in 1776

[kalm]

I quit caring about what the UK thinks about anything in 1776

So not a fan of Churchill and the UK in WWII?

That fits.

[UNI88]

With us siding with the baddies, wont the odds of Europe increasing its own military capability and support of Ukraine go up? Putin has tipped his hand so capitulation becomes less likely as Europe has seen how Putin prefers to negotiate.

Also..Kallas is a smoke show.

Ah yes. European democracy where you get thrown in jail by the thought police for posting or saying something that hurt perceived feelings. Don't forget they cancel elections, and when they don't like the election results, refuse to listen to the people.

I can see why he is afraid of "democracy" like that coming to Russia. Stupidest argument ever

Alexei Navalny.

The irony of you criticizing European countries for being to strict while defending putin is beyond rich.

[BDKJMU]

[UNI88]

What administration is trying to prevent the destruction of Ukraine? The trump regime is trying to sell them out and/or leverage the loss of Ukrainian lives for economic benefit (mineral rights).

It's disrespectful for the President of the United States to attempt to negotiate the future of Ukraine without Ukraine being represented.

[BDKJMU]

What administration is trying to prevent the destruction of Ukraine? The trump regime is trying to sell them out and/or leverage the loss of Ukrainian lives for economic benefit (mineral rights).

It's disrespectful for the President of the United States to attempt to negotiate the future of Ukraine without Ukraine being represented.

Going to take A LOT of minerals to pay back the 177 billion or whatever it’s up to now that American taxpayers are owed by Ukraine.

[UNI88]

What administration is trying to prevent the destruction of Ukraine? The trump regime is trying to sell them out and/or leverage the loss of Ukrainian lives for economic benefit (mineral rights).

It's disrespectful for the President of the United States to attempt to negotiate the future of Ukraine without Ukraine being represented.

Going to take A LOT of minerals to pay back the 177 billion or whatever it’s up to now that American taxpayers are owed by Ukraine.

vance is a hypocrite and did NOT put Zelensky in his place. There is no wow.

[Bobcat]

Agreed, Ukraine is not our problem.

[DSUrocks07]

Imagine if this leads to Zelensky cutting a deal for 30% of their mineral rights with the European Union for the security guarantees that the US refuses to give.

Turkey is already openly talking about supporting the peacekeeping mission directly.

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[Bobcat]

Zelensky is like a guy with no money playing cards at the World Series of Poker and trying to bully those guys.

[SeattleGriz]

Ah yes. European democracy where you get thrown in jail by the thought police for posting or saying something that hurt perceived feelings. Don't forget they cancel elections, and when they don't like the election results, refuse to listen to the people.

I can see why he is afraid of "democracy" like that coming to Russia. Stupidest argument ever

Alexei Navalny.

The irony of you criticizing European countries for being to strict while defending putin is beyond rich.

Alexei Navalny? You have no idea what really happened to him. To speculate Putin put the wood to him doesn't make it true.

Secondly, Europe is too "strict"? Is that what you are calling limiting free speech and not listening to the voters while cancelling elections?

[UNI88]

Alexei Navalny.

The irony of you criticizing European countries for being to strict while defending putin is beyond rich.

Alexei Navalny? You have no idea what really happened to him. To speculate Putin put the wood to him doesn't make it true.

Secondly, Europe is too "strict"? Is that what you are calling limiting free speech and not listening to the voters while cancelling elections?

You're really going to defend/deflect for putin while criticizing European nations for limiting free speech? How much is RT paying you?

[Pwns]

Do you guys remember the early days of this war when the thinking around here and the Foreign Policy Think Tanks was "There's no way Putin can win, and when he finds out he can't win he might nuke Poland."? Well three years later and many billions in aide for Ukraine and Russia is still occupying Ukraine without using any nukes. Time to acknowledge Putin out-maneuvered the West and move on to another strategy.

I see two options...march NATO troops into Ukraine to fight Russia (which is insane) or just give up the war and live to fight another day. I feel for Zelenkyy, but if you want someone to blame then blame the stupid Germans for closing down nuclear plants and increasing their reliance on Russian gas.

[UNI88]

The Latest: Trump cuts short talks with Ukraine’s Zelenskyy after Oval Office blow up

“Security is not just a word. It means life, a future without sirens, without losses, without fear for our loved ones,” Andriy Yermak wrote on Telegram.

He added that President Volodymyr Zelenskyy continues to fight for those defending a just and lasting peace. Yermak also thanked those who recognize that Ukraine is more than just a point on the map.

“We are deeply grateful to the American people for their support. It brings us closer to the day when war will be just a memory,” he wrote.
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European leaders pledge to stand by Ukraine in the wake of the contentious Oval Office meeting

Prime ministers, presidents and foreign ministers across the continent issued statements or took to social platform X to express their support for Zelenskyy and Ukraine.

The strongest comments so far have come from French President Emmanuel Macron, Swedish Prime Minister Ulf Kristersson and the foreign minister from Estonia, which borders Russia.

“The only obstacle to peace is the decision by Russian dictator Vladimir Putin to continue his war of aggression,” Foreign Minister Margus Tsahkna said in a statement. “If Ukraine stops fighting, there will be no Ukraine. Estonia’s support for Ukraine remains unwavering. It is time for Europe to step up. We do not need to wait for something else to happen; Europe has enough resources, including Russia’s frozen assets, to enable Ukraine to continue fighting.”

Officials from Spain, Latvia, Lithuania, Germany and Poland also offered their support to Ukraine.

Ukraine’s Foreign Minister: ‘Zelenskyy has the bravery and strength to stand up for what Is right’

Ukraine’s Foreign Minister Andrii Sybiha posted on X that “President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has the bravery and strength to stand up for what is right.”

“He stands up for Ukraine and the goal of a just and lasting peace. We have always been and will continue to be grateful to America for its support,” he wrote.

musk/trump/vance continue to rally Europe to stand with Ukraine and against russian aggression.

[BDKJMU]

Do you guys remember the early days of this war when the thinking around here and the Foreign Policy Think Tanks was "There's no way Putin can win, and when he finds out he can't win he might nuke Poland."? Well three years later and many billions in aide for Ukraine and Russia is still occupying Ukraine without using any nukes. Time to acknowledge Putin out-maneuvered the West and move on to another strategy.

I see two options...march NATO troops into Ukraine to fight Russia (which is insane) or just give up the war and live to fight another day. I feel for Zelenkyy, but if you want someone to blame then blame the stupid Germans for closing down nuclear plants and increasing their reliance on Russian gas.

Yep.