Coronavirus COVID-19

[HI54UNI]

Flaggy:

Well done!

But shouldn't this be Flaggy?

[Gil Dobie]

With outbreaks in pork plants in SD, MN and IA, been wondering about the comments a while back, about COVID-19 being more airborne than originally thought. The Chinese report, on the CDC site, from a restaurant with air conditioning blowing, shows that several people became infected from the one person A1. The red circles show people that became infected within 2 weeks of eating at this place. Placement of workers at large companies and of course tables at restaurants will have to be adjusted.

On January 23, 2020, family A traveled from Wuhan and arrived in Guangzhou. On January 24, the index case-patient (patient A1) ate lunch with 3 other family members (A2–A4) at restaurant X. Two other families, B and C, sat at neighboring tables at the same restaurant. Later that day, patient A1 experienced onset of fever and cough and went to the hospital. By February 5, a total of 9 others (4 members of family A, 3 members of family B, and 2 members of family C) had become ill with COVID-19.

CDC Link

[Ibanez]

I believe it to be a safe assumption that South Carolina schools aren't going back. Our Education superintendent released a statement that there will be a decision by the EOW however they have discussed with all the district superintendents and most believe it a bad idea to go back for the remainder of the year. Any grade level, especially the lower ones, would not be able to be socially distant in the class room. Plus, all these kids go to school, pick up something and then take it home.

[UNI88]

Flaggy:

Well done!

But shouldn't this be Flaggy?

Or this ...

[kalm]

Well done!

But shouldn't this be Flaggy?

Or this ...

Uncle Houndy back in the day...

[UNI88]

And 89 during his college days ...

[89Hen]

And 89 during his college days ...

I actually used to be a happy guy.

[Winterborn]

I am pretty sure we all have a character in that show.

[UNI88]

And 89 during his college days ...

I actually used to be a happy guy.

You can be again. Be thankful for everything you have and choose to be happy.

[Winterborn]

I actually used to be a happy guy.

You can be again. Be thankful for everything you have and choose to be happy.

89 seems quite cheerful to me.

Can't be sunshine and rainbows all the time.

[kalm]

Serious question....

Have Trump and Derek Zoolander ever been seen in the same place at the same time? JFC!

https://www.mediaite.com/donald-trump/w ... isticated/

[SDHornet]

The point of the DIY mask is to protect others from you. You cough into it and it doesn't go beyond your mouth and mask. That's the point of it.

I'm not disagreeing, although unless there's a membrane in your DIY mask, some part of that cough or sneeze will get through the fabric. Far less than if you had nothing, but far from perfect as well. Assuming you don't touch your mask and then touch a surface, or take your mask off and put it on a surface, then it's better than not having a mask.

Yup. My understanding is only N95 or better stops fluids/vapors from leaving/entering your mouth/nose. All those DIY masks are just a placebo with minimal (if any) protection against the Chinese Flu.

[SDHornet]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/20/coronav ... cases.html

I like the fear the spin on this is trying to conjure up. Let's ignore that way more people have had the Chinese Flu and the hospitals didn't become overwhelmed like the "experts" predicted. Oh, and it's still "early" in the pandemic.

Let's play a game. 4.1% across USA's adult population (25 years and older) is roughly 68% of 330M; is 225M. At 4.1% equates to 9.2M people have/had the Chinese Flu. Worldometer currently has US at 42.5k deaths. That puts the mortality rate at 0.46%.

I didn't tack on the known cases from worldometer but that would drop the mortality rate a tab bit more. Drops mre if you count 18 and up as adult (site I used below didn't break it down for 18 and up and I didn't bother looking for another source) Yeah, time to go back to work folks.

Using this for the population breakdown: https://www.indexmundi.com/united_state ... ofile.html

Did you read the entire article?

Is my math wrong?

[SDHornet]

haha. I have all the respect for healthcare professionals dealing with this but can we stop calling people that do the job they chose and trained for "heroes?"

People want to get back to work. But let's be honest as to why. It has less to do with the virus and more with the economics of the shutdown.

Amen.

And agree. Get people back to work already.

[SDHornet]

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BDK:

Brilliant.

[∞∞∞]

I would never wave the American flag.

[Pwns]

Kudos to the people that got Bill DeBlasio's tattletale hotline shut down.

[Silenoz]

Never watched the Simpsons, so I don't know if it's good or bad.

[mainejeff]

Wrong Deplorable.

It was FAKE, Jacobin.

No....it wasn't Georgia CoronaBoy.

[grizzaholic]

I would never wave the American flag.

[SDHornet]

Kudos to the people that got Bill DeBlasio's tattletale hotline shut down.

Lefts loses another battle in the 2nd Meme War. Hilarious.

[BDKJMU]

I wasn't answering any questions, just my view on Trumps plan. The Trump task force appears to be making sure there is not a resurgence of the virus.

One thing I haven't seen is any scientific or fact based reason for re-opening at this point, at least not in SC. It's all public sentiment driven. I haven't seen any report where we have seen a decrease in infections/deaths to suggest the country has reached its peaked. SC has. Our Gov has said that "data and science" are guiding him. But when pressed he couldn't give any details. Rather he pointed to "common sense" and compliance with social distancing. He's hoping people don't fall back into their normal patterns of NOT socially distancing themselves. He's expecting people to carry on like before.

Charlotte announced yesterday that they expect it to peak in late June. So I don't expect to go back into the office until at least July.

Who said that? IHME said the state of NC peaked 5 days ago.
https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-s ... h-carolina

[BDKJMU]

No offense to this Rebelo fellow, but that's just patently stupid. I'm sure he's fine with a yearlong shutdown, but it's that kind of tone-deaf, lack of real world comprehension, that makes a mockery of models like that. Who's going to feed all these people out of work? We have 22M out of work now - if we go another 48 weeks of shutdown don't you think that number will be a little higher? 30M? 50M? More? Nowhere in his calculations does he measure the damage done to people to be out of work for 12 months, so that's a fairly large gap in his model.

Like I said, and I'll repeat it here: We owe it to them (the most effected) to have a good reason why they need to wait 1-2 months to get back to work when they could do it now with the same restrictions now that they'll have in place 1-2 months from now when they do get back to work. What is the 1-2 months of economic misery buying us? I don't see those answers out there.

I'm still waiting to hear the answer to that. We know what we'll do to go back to work, we know what it will look like and it won't be with 20M tests a day nor will it be with a vaccine or a magical cure. It will be with what we're already doing today - temperature checks, masks on everyone, social distancing (one-way aisles in stores, limiting number of people in stores, spacing out people in restaurants and stadiums), frequent disinfecting, etc. We can do that today because, surprise, we're already doing that today in all the businesses that are open, which aren't minimal. Open them all up, open up the hospitals again and let people see their doctors and let them start elective surgeries and the like again. We know how to do this, waiting 1-2 months to start allowing people to do it is capricious and elitist.

You may have missed some of the article. Economists are indeed weighing the possible affects of continuing the shutdown.

I may have posted this before but it provides an explanation for waiting further based on the need for greater and more accurate testing. While the LA County numbers are a positive, what’s the rate of accuracy of the tests and how available are they for not just medical but to businesses?

Then there’s the anecdotal instances of super spreader scenarios in places like both Dakotas, a meat packing plant in Wa State and nursing homes throughout the world. Plus more needs to be known regarding reinfection rates and low antibody counts in some of the already infected.

Ebola almost burned itself out through its aggressive nature, this virus may be more clever (apologize for the anthropomorphizing).

Bottom line, we need more time to learn and yes, the federal government is Probably going to need to let loose most if not all of its arrows from the economic quiver to provide cover.

The good news is there’s still a slight chance things can be sped up and the threat is less than the greatest fears. But Ibanez is right, it’s still hunker down time at this point with an eye on July.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/road-map-reco ... d=70230097

ABC said 3.7 million tests in that article on Mon, yet as I recall the # given at the press conference Mon was over 4 million.

20 million tests per day? The US is at 150k a day. Looking Worldometer, US has done 2x as many tests as anyone else in the world. Yet these people say the US needs to be doing 20 million tests A DAY.. They’re out of their fucking minds. Zero chance of that happening.

[SDHornet]

Two coronavirus-infected people died in Santa Clara County on Feb. 6 and Feb. 17, the medical examiner revealed Tuesday, making them first documented COVID-19 fatalities in the United States.

Until now, the first fatality was believed to have occurred in Kirkland, Wash., on Feb. 29.

Officials previously had said the first Silicon Valley death was March 9. But the Santa Clara County medical examiner revealed Tuesday that people who died Feb. 6, Feb. 17 and March 6 also died of COVID-19.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/autopsies-re ... 39932.html

So the Chinese Flu was circulating here in CA for at least 6 weeks before lockdowns (March 17th in the Bay Area) took effect. Peak resource use day was April 13th, and even then there were still 1300 ICU beds and 23k hospital beds available statewide. CA has never had more than 103 deaths in a single day which was 4/18.

It'll be interesting to see how Newsom drags out the lockdown. Even the Leftist state legislature is starting to question where he is spending money as he has yet to provide an explanation as to where all his requested funding will be spent.

[Ibanez]

One thing I haven't seen is any scientific or fact based reason for re-opening at this point, at least not in SC. It's all public sentiment driven. I haven't seen any report where we have seen a decrease in infections/deaths to suggest the country has reached its peaked. SC has. Our Gov has said that "data and science" are guiding him. But when pressed he couldn't give any details. Rather he pointed to "common sense" and compliance with social distancing. He's hoping people don't fall back into their normal patterns of NOT socially distancing themselves. He's expecting people to carry on like before.

Charlotte announced yesterday that they expect it to peak in late June. So I don't expect to go back into the office until at least July.

Who said that? IHME said the state of NC peaked 5 days ago.
https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-s ... h-carolina

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/ ... 55366.html

Mecklenburg Public Health Director Gibbie Harris previously said a surge would hit the region between mid-April and mid-May. But last week, Harris announced a June 8 peak was more likely, based on modeling that showed residents had begun to flatten the curve amid social distancing restrictions.

Charlotte-Meck takes into account the SC counties which it not only borders but considers part of their Metro-area. York, Lancaster and Chester Counties (and possibly Cherokee) have many many residents which go into Charlotte every single day. So while NC might have peaked as a whole b/c you're taking into to the bumfuck counties like Hoke, Scotland or Transylvania with small populations and even smaller levels of commerce and traffic as compared to Raleigh or Charlotte, I can see how a major city in the state would still be peaking on it's own.

Weren't you bitching about the IHME last week? Now you're using their data to try and refute me? Pick a side and stick with it, BDK.

Yep. The IHME predictions have proven to be garbage. Yet their's isn't even as bad as some of these other models that some states are using that have shown to be even more garbage. Its like you have a football site who's in game and post game stats are good, but their predictions are garbage.