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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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UNI88 wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 6:32 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 9:18 am

Yeah, it's Trump recalling his negotiations with our deadbeat NATO friends that can't even be bothered to put their fair share into the pot.

They've been a huge help in providing weaponry to Ukraine. Pfft. Heaven forbid they actually pay their bill.
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houndawg wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 1:37 pm
Caribbean Hen wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 9:17 am

Well I won’t be watching it and I’m pretty sure I mentioned the reason why
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SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 8:55 pm
UNI88 wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 8:53 pm
I'm sorry you refuse to open your eyes and see the Irony (i.e. hypocrisy) of trump criticizing anyone for not paying their bills.
Holy shit. When specifically called out, I keep going back and worshipping at the altar of may false idol. I'm a lazy ass with absolutely no intellectual curiosity.
Nailed it!
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UNI88 wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 9:53 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 8:55 pm

Holy shit. When specifically called out, I keep going back and worshipping at the altar of may false idol. I'm a lazy ass with absolutely no intellectual curiosity.
Nailed it!
Wow. Mr one trick pony. Can't rebut the claims so has to resort to changing the conversation.

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SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 10:50 pm
UNI88 wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 9:53 pm

Nailed it!
Wow. Mr one trick pony. Can't rebut the claims so has to resort to changing the conversation.

Fake ass
....touched a nerve did he? :lol:
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houndawg wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 7:40 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 10:50 pm

Wow. Mr one trick pony. Can't rebut the claims so has to resort to changing the conversation.

Fake ass
....touched a nerve did he? :lol:
Not at all. Just showed he doesn't look past MSNBC.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 8:55 pm
UNI88 wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 8:53 pm
I'm sorry you refuse to open your eyes and see the Irony (i.e. hypocrisy) of trump criticizing anyone for not paying their bills.
Holy shit. When specifically called out, you keep going back. Lazy ass. Absolutely no intellectual curiosity.
To paraphrase ...

Wow. Mr one trick pony. Can't rebut the claims so has to resort to name calling.

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UNI88 wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 8:53 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Feb 11, 2024 8:55 pm

Holy shit. When specifically called out, you keep going back. Lazy ass. Absolutely no intellectual curiosity.
I admit I only listen to MSNBC and thus don't make sense to go along with my irrational fear of the orange man
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SeattleGriz wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 11:23 am
UNI88 wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 8:53 am

I admit I only listen to MSNBC and thus don't make sense to go along with my irrational fear of the orange man
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pretty weak attempt at a riposte... :ohno:
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houndawg wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 11:53 am
SeattleGriz wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 11:23 am

FYP
pretty weak attempt at a riposte... :ohno:
Sometimes simplicity is the way to go. No extra bells and whistles needed.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 12:12 pm
houndawg wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 11:53 am
pretty weak attempt at a riposte... :ohno:
Sometimes simplicity is the way to go. No extra bells and whistles needed.
“People who pride themselves on their ‘complexity’ and deride others for being "simplistic" should realize that the truth is often not very complicated. What gets complex is evading the truth.”

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Caribbean Hen wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 12:39 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 12:12 pm

Sometimes simplicity is the way to go. No extra bells and whistles needed.
“People who pride themselves on their ‘complexity’ and deride others for being "simplistic" should realize that the truth is often not very complicated. What gets complex is evading the truth.”

Sowell
Still bothered with your education-related self-esteem issues I see. :coffee:
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 12:39 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 12:12 pm

Sometimes simplicity is the way to go. No extra bells and whistles needed.
“People who pride themselves on their ‘complexity’ and deride others for being "simplistic" should realize that the truth is often not very complicated. What gets complex is evading the truth.”

Sowell
Finally. Some non-sophistic words of wisdom from Sowell!
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houndawg wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 3:03 pm
Caribbean Hen wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 12:39 pm

“People who pride themselves on their ‘complexity’ and deride others for being "simplistic" should realize that the truth is often not very complicated. What gets complex is evading the truth.”

Sowell
Still bothered with your education-related self-esteem issues I see. :coffee:
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houndawg wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 3:03 pm
Caribbean Hen wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 12:39 pm

“People who pride themselves on their ‘complexity’ and deride others for being "simplistic" should realize that the truth is often not very complicated. What gets complex is evading the truth.”

Sowell
Still bothered with your education-related self-esteem issues I see. :coffee:
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 3:52 pm
houndawg wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 3:03 pm

Still bothered with your education-related self-esteem issues I see. :coffee:
“It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance.”

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He got that idea from Aristotle or Socrates.
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 12:39 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 12:12 pm
Sometimes simplicity is the way to go. No extra bells and whistles needed.
“People who pride themselves on their ‘complexity’ and deride others for being "simplistic" should realize that the truth is often not very complicated. What gets complex is evading the truth.”

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Can you provide some current examples of "evading the truth"?
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UNI88 wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:49 pm
Caribbean Hen wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 12:39 pm

“People who pride themselves on their ‘complexity’ and deride others for being "simplistic" should realize that the truth is often not very complicated. What gets complex is evading the truth.”

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Can you provide some current examples of "evading the truth"?
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UNI88 wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:49 pm
Caribbean Hen wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 12:39 pm

“People who pride themselves on their ‘complexity’ and deride others for being "simplistic" should realize that the truth is often not very complicated. What gets complex is evading the truth.”

Sowell
Can you provide some current examples of "evading the truth"?
Did you watch MSNBC today? I guess not
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 7:59 pm
UNI88 wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:49 pm
Can you provide some current examples of "evading the truth"?
Did you watch MSNBC today? I guess not
Contrary to what SeattleGollum might claim, I don't remember the last time I watched MSNBC. Can you give me some examples?

I can give you examples of MAQA yahoos evading the truth:
- the 2020 election was stolen - it wasn't, trump lost.
- January 6 was a mostly peaceful protest - it was an attempt to use violence and intimidation to interfere with the Constitutional transfer of power.
- trump is an innocent victim of lawfare / witch hunt.
- trump is also a genius who conned the government into indicting him for PR / fundraising purposes.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 3:50 pm
houndawg wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 3:03 pm

Still bothered with your education-related self-esteem issues I see. :coffee:
Wisdom has been chasing you your whole life, unfortunately you're too fast. :kisswink:
Couldn't think of anything original?
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UNI88 wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 8:30 pm
Caribbean Hen wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 7:59 pm

Did you watch MSNBC today? I guess not
Contrary to what SeattleGollum might claim, I don't remember the last time I watched MSNBC. Can you give me some examples?

I can give you examples of MAQA yahoos evading the truth:
- the 2020 election was stolen - it wasn't, trump lost. WRONG
- January 6 was a mostly peaceful protest - it was an attempt to use violence and intimidation to interfere with the Constitutional transfer of power. WRONG
- trump is an innocent victim of lawfare / witch hunt. WRONG
- trump is also a genius who conned the government into indicting him for PR / fundraising purposes. CORRECT
Amazing you don't watch MSNBC because you repeat the same unhinged talking points. When questioned past the narrative, you don't have any answers.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2024 1:56 pm
UNI88 wrote: Mon Feb 12, 2024 8:30 pm
Contrary to what SeattleGollum might claim, I don't remember the last time I watched MSNBC. Can you give me some examples?

I can give you examples of MAQA yahoos evading the truth:
- the 2020 election was stolen - it wasn't, trump lost. WRONG
- January 6 was a mostly peaceful protest - it was an attempt to use violence and intimidation to interfere with the Constitutional transfer of power. WRONG
- trump is an innocent victim of lawfare / witch hunt. WRONG
- trump is also a genius who conned the government into indicting him for PR / fundraising purposes. CORRECT
Amazing you don't watch MSNBC because you repeat the same unhinged talking points. When questioned past the narrative, you don't have any answers.
Put up or shut up - let's see some verifiable proof that the 2020 election was stolen. Not some baseless MAQA allegations but real proof that that there was enough Democratic fraud to outweigh Republican fraud and cost trump the election.

A most peaceful crowd made up of "tourists" doesn't storm a bastion of American democracy causing elected officials who were in the process of certifying election results to flee over concerns about their safety.

If I search your posts will I find ones where you call the lawsuits lawfare or a witch hunt? Regardless, there are plenty of MAQA yahoos who believe trump is an innocent victim of lawfare. They're afraid that moderate/independent voters in swing states will agree with me and it will cost trump the election.

trump is terrified of these lawsuits and he's trying to delay them hoping he can get elected POTUS and use his power and influence to grind justice into the ground and avoid responsibility for his words and actions.
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UNI88 wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2024 2:46 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2024 1:56 pm

Amazing you don't watch MSNBC because you repeat the same unhinged talking points. When questioned past the narrative, you don't have any answers.
Put up or shut up - let's see some verifiable proof that the 2020 election was stolen. Not some baseless MAQA allegations but real proof that that there was enough Democratic fraud to outweigh Republican fraud and cost trump the election.

A most peaceful crowd made up of "tourists" doesn't storm a bastion of American democracy causing elected officials who were in the process of certifying election results to flee over concerns about their safety.

If I search your posts will I find ones where you call the lawsuits lawfare or a witch hunt? Regardless, there are plenty of MAQA yahoos who believe trump is an innocent victim of lawfare. They're afraid that moderate/independent voters in swing states will agree with me and it will cost trump the election.

trump is terrified of these lawsuits and he's trying to delay them hoping he can get elected POTUS and use his power and influence to grind justice into the ground and avoid responsibility for his words and actions.
You shockingly didn't read the election report that was put out by the investigating lawyers, did you? The report proves the election in multiple states should not have been certified. What has happened in the meantime? All the states in question have fought through lawyers to prevent the LEGAL inspection of ballots and images. It's been three plus years and the legal battles are still ongoing. How is it the people have the law on their side, but cannot perform an inspection?

Storming the Capitol. :rofl: Look out fainting couch. If one was so stupid to enter the Capitol, be my guest at jail time, but to imply they were going to "storm" the chambers and crown Trump forever Prez is blue anon fantasy.

How many times has Trump "been in trouble" with the establishment? Too many times to count, but yet you somehow believe it's all real this time. PT Barnum sure nailed it!
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SeattleGriz wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:05 pm
UNI88 wrote: Tue Feb 13, 2024 2:46 pm

Put up or shut up - let's see some verifiable proof that the 2020 election was stolen. Not some baseless MAQA allegations but real proof that that there was enough Democratic fraud to outweigh Republican fraud and cost trump the election.

A most peaceful crowd made up of "tourists" doesn't storm a bastion of American democracy causing elected officials who were in the process of certifying election results to flee over concerns about their safety.

If I search your posts will I find ones where you call the lawsuits lawfare or a witch hunt? Regardless, there are plenty of MAQA yahoos who believe trump is an innocent victim of lawfare. They're afraid that moderate/independent voters in swing states will agree with me and it will cost trump the election.

trump is terrified of these lawsuits and he's trying to delay them hoping he can get elected POTUS and use his power and influence to grind justice into the ground and avoid responsibility for his words and actions.
You shockingly didn't read the election report that was put out by the investigating lawyers, did you? The report proves the election in multiple states should not have been certified. What has happened in the meantime? All the states in question have fought through lawyers to prevent the LEGAL inspection of ballots and images. It's been three plus years and the legal battles are still ongoing. How is it the people have the law on their side, but cannot perform an inspection?

Storming the Capitol. :rofl: Look out fainting couch. If one was so stupid to enter the Capitol, be my guest at jail time, but to imply they were going to "storm" the chambers and crown Trump forever Prez is blue anon fantasy.

How many times has Trump "been in trouble" with the establishment? Too many times to count, but yet you somehow believe it's all real this time. PT Barnum sure nailed it!
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