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SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 7:53 pm
kalm wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 3:33 pm
:rofl: Klan quoting Cheney. We all see this isn't really about the people of Ukraine, this is about Orange Man Bad. How small and pathetic like Uni St Behar. You're full of bitterness. It shows.
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SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 7:53 pm
kalm wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 3:33 pm
:rofl: Klan quoting Cheney. We all see this isn't really about the people of Ukraine, this is about Orange Man Bad. How small and pathetic like Uni St Behar. You're full of bitterness. It shows.
Who is full of bitterness? The person attempting to engage in meaningful dialogue or the person resorting to juvenile put downs like calling someone small and pathetic?
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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kalm wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 8:31 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 7:48 pm

Yes, I'm sure run straight to the front lines or send a few relatives. She might even put another Ukrainian flag on her profile. Empty words.
Tell me you don’t know who she is without telling me you know who she is. :ohno: :notworthy:
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I found an adult who is a member of the Republican Party in Washington ...

GOP Sen. James Lankford defends Zelenskyy as Trump officials question his leadership
Sen. James Lankford, R-Okla., said Sunday that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy is “rightfully concerned” about Russia reneging on agreements, as some Trump administration officials took to the airwaves to criticize the leader of the longtime U.S. ally.

“I understand Zelenskyy is rightfully concerned that Putin has violated every single agreement he’s ever signed and that he can’t be trusted,” Lankford said in an interview on NBC News’ “Meet the Press.”

His comments come after an explosive exchange in the Oval Office between President Donald Trump, Vice President JD Vance and Zelenskyy, in which the U.S. leaders berated the Ukrainian president for his approach to diplomacy and argued that he didn’t sufficiently thank the U.S. for its support, despite Zelenskyy having thanked the U.S. numerous times. Current and former Russian officials praised Trump after the confrontation.

Zelenskyy pointed out during the Oval Office exchange that Russia has previously broken ceasefires, adding that Russian President Vladimir Putin “killed our people and he didn’t exchange prisoners.”

Asked Sunday about Putin’s not keeping previous agreements, Secretary of State Marco Rubio told ABC News' "This Week" anchor George Stephanopoulos that "moving forward is the question, not the past," before adding that the United States wanted to engage Russia in negotiations.

Lankford was asked on "Meet the Press" whether he was concerned that the United States was turning its back on Ukraine, a longtime ally. Lankford said “no.”

“No, we’re not turning our back on Ukraine, nor should we,” he said. “Putin is a murderous KGB thug that murders his political enemies and is a dictator.”
When is trump going to put Lankford in charge?
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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kalm wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 9:11 pm
Caribbean Hen wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 7:19 pm

Ready to negotiate yet ?
You do realize that Putin is the aggressor here? Of course you don’t.

But you now support negotiating with terrorists.

Reagan would be proud.
You still don’t want to negotiate?

Why doesn’t someone just ask Putin how can the Ukraine have security from Russian aggression… get him on the record. Might not like his answer but it’s a start
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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Caribbean Hen wrote: Mon Mar 03, 2025 10:02 am
kalm wrote: Mon Jan 20, 2025 9:11 pm

You do realize that Putin is the aggressor here? Of course you don’t.

But you now support negotiating with terrorists.

Reagan would be proud.
You still don’t want to negotiate?

Why doesn’t someone just ask Putin how can the Ukraine have security from Russian aggression… get him on the record. Might not like his answer but it’s a start
Cute.

Russia is a terrorist country. An authoritarian state which has invaded its neighbors. Giving them anything is rewarding bad behavior. Instead, we are embracing them as allies, ending our monitoring of crypto-terrorism, and ceding our prominent standing amongst the world’s democracies.

MuskTrump are weakening America.
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kalm wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 7:33 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 7:08 am

Your smug and dismissive reply totally reflects failed US policy on Russia going back to 1990. They were totally defeated, but you and your political heroes needed evil to justify your endless wars.
Which heroes are you referring to here?
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UNI88 wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 10:00 am
BDKJMU wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 10:02 pm
:dunce: that you can’t see that it’s not even a comparable situation. Stupid much TDSers?
Are the situations different? Yes. Are they comparable though? Yes.

It's the Oval Office of the President of the United States of America. If you expect a foreign dignitary to follow western standards of dress then you should expect a presidential advisor to do the same.

Why didn't trump and MAQA yahoos get upset at Prime Minister Modi ...
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Or President Buhari ...
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There are probably others. trump's and MAQA yahoo outrage is manufactured.
I don’t think you understand a regular run of the mill office meeting with your boss, and going to another company’s HQ for a high stakes business meeting with the heads of other company trying to score a major business deal/contract.

Now you’re going to say a track suite is considered formal business attire in Ukraine? :lol:
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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BDKJMU wrote: Mon Mar 03, 2025 10:38 am
UNI88 wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 10:00 am

Are the situations different? Yes. Are they comparable though? Yes.

It's the Oval Office of the President of the United States of America. If you expect a foreign dignitary to follow western standards of dress then you should expect a presidential advisor to do the same.

Why didn't trump and MAQA yahoos get upset at Prime Minister Modi ...
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Or President Buhari ...
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There are probably others. trump's and MAQA yahoo outrage is manufactured.
Now you’re going to say a track suite is considered formal business attire in Ukraine? :lol:
WTF is a track suite?

Here you go trying to distract the debate with misinformation. Zelensky didn't wear a track suit, he wore
a three-button knitted long-sleeve polo shirt from Gasanova’s menswear label Damirli, as well as pants from the collection. She had made a special version for Zelensky with the emblem of a tryzub, a shield with a trident that is the coat of arms that Ukraine adopted in February 1991.
Designer Behind President Zelensky’s White House Outfit Defends the Choice

Any other excuses to defend the faux outrage of trump, vance and MAQA yahoos?
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Re: The Ukraine Crisis

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UNI88 wrote: Mon Mar 03, 2025 10:43 am
BDKJMU wrote: Mon Mar 03, 2025 10:38 am
Now you’re going to say a track suite is considered formal business attire in Ukraine? :lol:
WTF is a track suite?

Here you go trying to distract the debate with misinformation. Zelensky didn't wear a track suit, he wore
a three-button knitted long-sleeve polo shirt from Gasanova’s menswear label Damirli, as well as pants from the collection. She had made a special version for Zelensky with the emblem of a tryzub, a shield with a trident that is the coat of arms that Ukraine adopted in February 1991.
Designer Behind President Zelensky’s White House Outfit Defends the Choice

Any other excuses to defend the faux outrage of trump, vance and MAQA yahoos?
I was editing to your response about Elon’s casual attire vs Zelensky’s. Here’s how the 2 situations aren’t comparable:
A regular run of the mill office meeting with your boss (Elon) is completely diff than going to another company’s HQ for a high stakes business meeting with the heads of other company trying to score a major business deal/contract (Zelensky).
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kalm wrote: Mon Mar 03, 2025 10:29 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Mon Mar 03, 2025 10:02 am

You still don’t want to negotiate?

Why doesn’t someone just ask Putin how can the Ukraine have security from Russian aggression… get him on the record. Might not like his answer but it’s a start
Cute.

Russia is a terrorist country. An authoritarian state which has invaded its neighbors. Giving them anything is rewarding bad behavior. Instead, we are embracing them as allies, ending our monitoring of crypto-terrorism, and ceding our prominent standing amongst the world’s democracies.

MuskTrump are weakening America.
This kind of leftover failed narrative is exactly why we’re here today.

It’s time to change the approach because you’ve got lots of hubris on one hand and not so bright hands on nuclear weps on the other. Further provocation increases the chance of nukes. Mistakes can certainly happen and they do all the time.

Time to turn it down and start disarming the globe of these deadly toys
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kalm wrote: Mon Mar 03, 2025 10:29 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Mon Mar 03, 2025 10:02 am

You still don’t want to negotiate?

Why doesn’t someone just ask Putin how can the Ukraine have security from Russian aggression… get him on the record. Might not like his answer but it’s a start
Cute.

Russia is a terrorist country. An authoritarian state which has invaded its neighbors. Giving them anything is rewarding bad behavior. Instead, we are embracing them as allies, ending our monitoring of crypto-terrorism, and ceding our prominent standing amongst the world’s democracies.

MuskTrump are weakening America.
lol no we aren’t.

lol what weakened America was having a weak, demented leader that no one respected..
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Trump put on a master class on how to negotiate with money laundering actors.

This isnt brain dead Biden you are dealing with anymore. This is a strong world leader that inflicts fear into his wake of excellence.

We elected him to do this, hence the mandate. Finally a leader is doing what he said he was going to do. Promises made Promises kept.

Daddys home and weak little kids like Zeloser are getting the belt
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BDKJMU wrote: Mon Mar 03, 2025 10:58 am
kalm wrote: Mon Mar 03, 2025 10:29 am

Cute.

Russia is a terrorist country. An authoritarian state which has invaded its neighbors. Giving them anything is rewarding bad behavior. Instead, we are embracing them as allies, ending our monitoring of crypto-terrorism, and ceding our prominent standing amongst the world’s democracies.

MuskTrump are weakening America.
lol no we aren’t.

lol what weakened America was having a weak, demented leader that no one respected..
If you don’t recognize the well published policy changes toward an alliance with Putin you are irredeemably naive.
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Caribbean Hen wrote: Mon Mar 03, 2025 10:49 am
kalm wrote: Mon Mar 03, 2025 10:29 am

Cute.

Russia is a terrorist country. An authoritarian state which has invaded its neighbors. Giving them anything is rewarding bad behavior. Instead, we are embracing them as allies, ending our monitoring of crypto-terrorism, and ceding our prominent standing amongst the world’s democracies.

MuskTrump are weakening America.
This kind of leftover failed narrative is exactly why we’re here today.

It’s time to change the approach because you’ve got lots of hubris on one hand and not so bright hands on nuclear weps on the other. Further provocation increases the chance of nukes. Mistakes can certainly happen and they do all the time.

Time to turn it down and start disarming the globe of these deadly toys
Name on inaccuracy in what I’ve posted (other than the weakening America part which is opinion).

You think rewarding bad behavior is smart?

You don’t think Russia is a totalitarian aggressor state?
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They keep trying to link Putin to Trump and its just never gonna stick. But they know that already because they are lying.

BTW, how many Jews has the Nazi Trump killed? When is the holocaust? Nazis always have halocausts.
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BDKJMU wrote: Mon Mar 03, 2025 10:47 am
UNI88 wrote: Mon Mar 03, 2025 10:43 am
WTF is a track suite?

Here you go trying to distract the debate with misinformation. Zelensky didn't wear a track suit, he wore

Designer Behind President Zelensky’s White House Outfit Defends the Choice

Any other excuses to defend the faux outrage of trump, vance and MAQA yahoos?
I was editing to your response about Elon’s casual attire vs Zelensky’s. Here’s how the 2 situations aren’t comparable:
A regular run of the mill office meeting with your boss (Elon) is completely diff than going to another company’s HQ for a high stakes business meeting with the heads of other company trying to score a major business deal/contract (Zelensky).
Good to see you acknowledge that elon is trump's boss.

Here's how the 2 situations are comparable. It's the Oval Office, the sense of decorum should apply to all meetings/events, especially those being shown to the American people.

The faux outrage of trump, vance and MAQA yahoos is fun to mock.
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https://www.rfi.fr/en/international/202 ... s-for-deal

Called it.

"France and the European Union are mobilising to secure access to Ukraine’s valuable mineral resources, despite pressure from Washington, which is pushing for mineral deals with Kyiv as a form of repayment for military aid."


Honestly, the best solution for all parties involved. Because even Trump said publicly, if US national interests are at risk, that's a security guarantee in itself. The same would apply for the EU.


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Its ok if anyone "but Trump" does it
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kalm wrote: Mon Mar 03, 2025 11:34 am
Caribbean Hen wrote: Mon Mar 03, 2025 10:49 am

This kind of leftover failed narrative is exactly why we’re here today.

It’s time to change the approach because you’ve got lots of hubris on one hand and not so bright hands on nuclear weps on the other. Further provocation increases the chance of nukes. Mistakes can certainly happen and they do all the time.

Time to turn it down and start disarming the globe of these deadly toys
Name on inaccuracy in what I’ve posted (other than the weakening America part which is opinion).

You think rewarding bad behavior is smart?

You don’t think Russia is a totalitarian aggressor state?
Rewarding bad behavior is exactly what Joey Rotten did

Putin was probably saying what the fuck do I have to do to start some negotiations… :x

Joe bozos lying clueless enabled administration knew he was gone but tried to hide it …. Fucking Criminal
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The world now knows how corrupt the Biden criminal cartel is, was and always has been.

Thank god this mess is finally gonna get cleaned up by adults and justice will be served
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UNI88 wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 1:23 pm
Caribbean Hen wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 12:08 pm

I've only asked Klam one question today and might as well ask you as Klan declined to answer

Are you ready to go fight against Russia on the front lines?

Are all these European nations that tweet "We stand behind The Ukraine" ready to go in and kick Putins ass? or are they standing behind something

Are they ready to fund this embarrassing tool Zelensky for a decade?
Yes, I am willing to go fight russia if they continue to be the aggressor. But I'm approaching 60 and I don't think I'm the ideal candidate for Ukraine or Europe's defense. Ukraine needs money and weapons more than they need volunteers.

I don't know, you'd have to ask them. Do I think they prefer to send money and weapons to Ukraine to hold russia at bay to reduce the risk that they'll have to fight to defend their homelands? Yes and that is the smart thing for them (and the US) to do.

Are you ready to continue to support the embarrassing tools in the White House for the next 4 years? Are you ready to keep carrying putin the war criminal's water for a decade?

Do you expect Ukraine to just roll over and give the territory russia currently holds plus probably more without security guarantees? Do you think such a peace with putin will last? Or will he take that as an opportunity to rearm and train new recruits before attempting to finish Ukraine off?

Who are these adults you say are in charge now? When will they make an appearance?
They haven't made an appearance yet.

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Caribbean Hen wrote: Mon Mar 03, 2025 3:58 pm
UNI88 wrote: Sat Mar 01, 2025 1:23 pm

Yes, I am willing to go fight russia if they continue to be the aggressor. But I'm approaching 60 and I don't think I'm the ideal candidate for Ukraine or Europe's defense. Ukraine needs money and weapons more than they need volunteers.

I don't know, you'd have to ask them. Do I think they prefer to send money and weapons to Ukraine to hold russia at bay to reduce the risk that they'll have to fight to defend their homelands? Yes and that is the smart thing for them (and the US) to do.

Are you ready to continue to support the embarrassing tools in the White House for the next 4 years? Are you ready to keep carrying putin the war criminal's water for a decade?

Do you expect Ukraine to just roll over and give the territory russia currently holds plus probably more without security guarantees? Do you think such a peace with putin will last? Or will he take that as an opportunity to rearm and train new recruits before attempting to finish Ukraine off?

Who are these adults you say are in charge now? When will they make an appearance?
They haven't made an appearance yet.

I answered your questions, now answer all of mine.
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UNI88 wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 8:44 pm
SeattleGriz wrote: Sun Mar 02, 2025 7:53 pm

:rofl: Klan quoting Cheney. We all see this isn't really about the people of Ukraine, this is about Orange Man Bad. How small and pathetic like Uni St Behar. You're full of bitterness. It shows.
Who is full of bitterness? The person attempting to engage in meaningful dialogue or the person resorting to juvenile put downs like calling someone small and pathetic?
Truth hurts. I'm sorry. Now onto Cheney. Shes an establishment hack. One that everyone knows should have been shown the door a long time ago. Hell, just a short couple years ago, you agreed.
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BDKJMU wrote: Mon Mar 03, 2025 10:58 am
kalm wrote: Mon Mar 03, 2025 10:29 am

Cute.

Russia is a terrorist country. An authoritarian state which has invaded its neighbors. Giving them anything is rewarding bad behavior. Instead, we are embracing them as allies, ending our monitoring of crypto-terrorism, and ceding our prominent standing amongst the world’s democracies.

MuskTrump are weakening America.
lol no we aren’t.

lol what weakened America was having a weak, demented leader that no one respected..
Hey now. Take it easy on Hunter. Pops couldn't do the job.
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